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Why hasn't the fecking tax loops holes being closed and all the taxes owed collected?
So what can WE do? I reckon the students had the right idea a couple of months ago, just a shame the trade unions and joe public couldn't organise something on the same week.Who's up for parking your cars on the motorway networks around this area and bringing the area to a stand still? Let's see if the rest of the country follows.British people love to moan about stuff like this but do absolutely nothing about it. Our country and the people in it doesn't have a back bone.
Over the last 15 years I'd almost forgotten how much I f**king well despise this bunch, but they are reminding me quickly. Here's THE classic interview by their heroine, their ideological leader who set the moral standard that the current t**ts aspire tohttp://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/106689That's the \"No such thing as society\" interview. In the Tory world, everything is rosy apart from feckless people leaning on the State. We are all masters of our own destiny and leaning on a concept called Society is a cop out. Utter b*llocks. At the time she wad smugly saying that, her Govt had ripped the hearts out of communities like mine. In the mid80s, the unemployment rate in Mexborough was 28%. That was a result of her own policies, destroying mining and steelworking industries and leaving entire areas without an economic raison d'être. If you live in those circumstances, you learn pretty quickly that Society very much DOES exist and it's NOT all down to decisions that individuals make. Society is the collective situation that we live in. It decides your economic circumstances, your chances, your aspirations. Our societies in South Yorks were functional and vibrant, if hard. They were then destroyed by her Govt's policies and she had the f**king cheek to turn round and say all the problems were down to the individuals living there. While fostering the repulsive consumerism of the South East yuppie culture that showed what sort of Society we should be aspiring to. Well many of those individuals took her at her word and said \"f**k Society, I'll look after myself.\" Men who had been honest hard workers ended up doing fiddle jobs for cash in hand to make ends meet. Or they did smuggling booze and fags runs to Calais and sold them in illegally in the pubs. Or they fenced dodgy gear with no questions asked. That includes some decent, honest men in my own family who did that rather than see their families go poor. They were the living embodiment of Thatcherism. It's that smug, patronising glibness of the Tories that I despise. They have no concept and no experience of the lives of the people they pass judgement on. They have nade it good in a Society that gave them the chances they needed. They then say, \"but that was all down to my own ability and hard work,\" and pour scorn on people who are birn into Societies that break them.Thatcher, Tebbit, Glenn, Pickles, Osbourne, the f**king lot of them all chips off the same disgusting block. Nye Bevan was right 60 years ago when he said the Tories were lower than vermin. And they haven't changed since.
coventryrover wrote:QuoteWhy hasn't the fecking tax loops holes being closed and all the taxes owed collected?Because t**ts like Gideon have their inherited millions stashed away in tax havens to avoid contributing to the country`s coffers, we`re all in this together my arse!
Quote from: \"Filo\" post=142056coventryrover wrote:QuoteWhy hasn't the fecking tax loops holes being closed and all the taxes owed collected?Because t**ts like Gideon have their inherited millions stashed away in tax havens to avoid contributing to the country`s coffers, we`re all in this together my arse!Just heard on Radio5 that Barclays paid just 2% tax on their profits last year. Corporation tax is currently 28%.Shut them down, and prosecute the directors for tax evasion.
Quote from: \"RobTheRover\" post=142192Quote from: \"Filo\" post=142056coventryrover wrote:QuoteWhy hasn't the fecking tax loops holes being closed and all the taxes owed collected?Because t**ts like Gideon have their inherited millions stashed away in tax havens to avoid contributing to the country`s coffers, we`re all in this together my arse!Just heard on Radio5 that Barclays paid just 2% tax on their profits last year. Corporation tax is currently 28%.Shut them down, and prosecute the directors for tax evasion.Err... hang on. That was for 2009, on the sainted Gordon's watch.Perhaps if Brown and Darling had driven a harder bargain for baling out the banks, we wouldn't be having this conversation. And if Brown had put in a proper system of bank regulation when he was Chancellor...
Easy targets TRB. Ignores the fact that we were in desperate times back in Autumn 2008 with the whole if western capitalism looking over the precipice. You slag off Brown and Darling for not finessing every detail?
I have to disagree with you BST. A person is neither solely a product of their environment, nor solely a product of themselves. Surely it's an interaction between the two. There are many examples of people from very difficult backgrounds who succeed despite where they come from. Equally there are those who decide to toss it off, sit on benefits, or take drugs drugs and commit crime. In fact it's the other shower of tossers in red who encourage this particular set of behaviours to manifest through their collective state nannying those 'unfortunate soles' to take the easy life.Of course there are also those from very good backgrounds who never amount to anything, and end up making a negative contribution to society.Regarding what to do about it - yes you could protest. I'm not sure what that will achieve in the UK. Somebody cited the student protests as an example. How did that work? Did they get what they wanted after all the media frenzy had settled? Is it a change of government people want? Well the other option had a hand putting Britain in this mire, so they don't fill me with confidence.My solution? I got the hell out of dodge, and don't intend to return for the foreseeable future. It's a sad state of affairs, but Britain really does seem to me to be broken. A relic of a once great nation, in the last throws of a slow death.
Hang on TRB. You're not getting away with that. The technical term for what you said there is \"revisionism\". Re-writing history to suit a particular ideological viewpoint.It's easy to forget now, but back in late 2008, we really were on the edge of a horrific precipice. What Brown and Darling did was on the hoof repairs to a system that was about to explode. If it was so easy to have spotted it, to see what was going to come and to prepare for it, then why didn't Dave and Gideon (and your good self) realise that when calling for the markets to be left to sort out Northern Rock in 2007? Clearly, no-one on the Right had any comprehension how badly brokne the world banking system was, otherwise they wouldn't have said something as fundamentally dangerous and stupid as that.If it was so easy to spot what should be done, why did Bush's administration get it so spectacularly wrong over Lehman Bros, when they DID allow them to go to the wall - an event that turned an major crisis into a once-a-century catastrophe?If it was so easy to see how to get out of that problem, why did Nobel Laureate economist Paul Krugman say that of all the world leaders, only Brown understood the nature and potential horror of the banking crisis in Oct 2008 and how to point the way to avoid the worst effects?If it was so easy, why did Dave and Gideon vanish for two months back then, sitting on their hands and waiting until wiser heads had sorted out the imminent catastrophe? Could it be because they knew (and still know) only one economic mantra - the old Thatcherite cry, \"leave it to the markets\"? Could it be because it suddnely became horrifically clear to them that it was those very markets which had failed and their rulebook had no answers on what to do?You ask what we would say if Dave and Gideon had allowed Barclays to have a situation where they paid so little tax. It's a non-question. If those two had been in power in 2008, and applied thier policies, the question could never have arisen, because there would BE no banking sytem today.Maybe Brown and Darling did get it wrong on not imposing harsher conditions. That's dead easy to say with hindsight. Their bigger concern in Autumn 2008 was ensuring that we had a banking system full stop. Had they imposed swinging taxes immediately and a further banking crisis had immediately occurred as a result of the banks being enfeebled, would THAT have been a better solution? The plan always was to pragmatically see how the banks recovered, then tighten the tax screw as they got back on their feet. Let's see if Gideon is capable of doing that when half pf the Tories' funds come from the City, eh?Your sniping comments are like blaming Churchill for us not getting to Berlin before the Russians, and ignoring the fact that he was crucial in us winning the whole bloody war!Finally, two points.1) Barcalys can get awa with paying 2% Corp Tax in large part because they can offset the previous year's losses against the present year's profits. Just like any other company. You want to change that law? You'll put 20% of companies out of business overnight.2) Inconvenient fact, but Barclays did not receive any bail out funds in 2008. So how exactly was Brown to blame for not then dictating terms to them?
I couldn;t agree more that people are the product of their own drive and their environment. O agree 100%. The reason why I despise the Thatcherites, is that they insisted that the environment (AKA Society) didn't matter and anyone who failed only had themselves to blame. Sheer ideological evilness.I'm not passing judgment here by the way, but your own decision to clear out of this area is a fully Thatcherite one. I entirely understand it on your personal level, but the result of that on a societal level is to drain talent and rive out of these societies. Tebbit would have applauded it. You got on your bike. What that lot seemed oblivious to was the utter wickedness of encouraging such a policy instead of directing investment into areas such as ours.Leave it to the markets and it'll all work out OK. Well no. Leave it to the markets and SOME will work out OK. And f**k the rest.And the ones who DO work out OK become rootless economic migrants. Leaving the societies that they and their families grew up in to settle in some faceless satellite town. Like modern-day migrants from the DustBowl, leaving behind their own society because the Govt has allowed it to rot away. And the logical conclusion is that THEIR political attitude becomes, \"f**k the poor. I got out. Why should I pay taxes to help them out?\" And in a very Thatcherite way, Society does evaporate.