Lets hear your snow reports then ?

[CusworthRovers]

DonnyRTID wrote:

Gritters have been down our road today, not before time kids have been ice skating on it for the last 2 days.?.

Ice on the roads and kids constantly making it worse by creating slides and putting everyone in further danger. Time for the local authority to bring out it's big gun to scare these kids away. Bring out the Gary Gritter

[not on facebook]

wonder if time wil come when the use of winter wheels
will be mandortry back in blighty as out here.

no major falls of snow yet,but the tractors are still out ploughing
away and salting aswell all roads and pathways.just generall road winter
maintenance i guess

[Sandy Lane]

Well, it's back to NY and weather more like you all had with wind and show showers, but not the accumulation yet.  So it's the beginning of winter in earnest here.  Sorry to leave UK, and back to my reality.  Cheers.

P.S. By the way, was very impressed that all your public museums were free, but why not charge non EU residents like they do in Italy or charge everyone like in the US??  Would make more sense to me to help with your budget shortfall rather than raising student fees.  Sheesh, In some Italian churches they keep them deliberately dark and then you must put coins in the meter to light up the painting or statue for a few minutes...  unbelievable.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sandy Lane wrote:

P.S. By the way, was very impressed that all your public museums were free, but why not charge non EU residents

It's our well-merited feeling of national guilt, given that 90% of the stuff in the museums was thieved from non-EU countries by the ancestors of the British Establishment.

[benaldo]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Sandy Lane wrote:

P.S. By the way, was very impressed that all your public museums were free, but why not charge non EU residents

It's our well-merited feeling of national guilt, given that 90% of the stuff in the museums was thieved from non-EU countries by the ancestors of the British Establishment.

It wasn't thieving back then, it was \"liberating from the fuzzy wuzzys\" for \"academic purposes\". I still can't work out why we need things like the Elgin Marbles when they don't even generate a profit because I can go and see them for free!!

I did remember some Maouri elders or some other tribe we'd robbed years ago, coming to the UK recently to reclaim some of their relics. There they all stood outside number 10, with a very sheepish PM looking like a naughty schoolboy forced to give back the toy he'd \"borrowed\" from his friend.

[silent majority]

Sandy Lane wrote:

Well, it's back to NY and weather more like you all had with wind and show showers, but not the accumulation yet.  So it's the beginning of winter in earnest here.  Sorry to leave UK, and back to my reality.  Cheers.

P.S. By the way, was very impressed that all your public museums were free, but why not charge non EU residents like they do in Italy or charge everyone like in the US??  Would make more sense to me to help with your budget shortfall rather than raising student fees.  Sheesh, In some Italian churches they keep them deliberately dark and then you must put coins in the meter to light up the painting or statue for a few minutes...  unbelievable.

Did the Museum of Natural History in NY 2 weeks ago, and admittance is free, however they suggest an entry fee contribution of $18, and when they say contribution what they mean is compulsory.  The young guy got most upset when I offered $10.

[BobG]

Ah. But did he let you in for $10 SM????

BobG

[Sandy Lane]

benaldo wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Sandy Lane wrote:

P.S. By the way, was very impressed that all your public museums were free, but why not charge non EU residents

It's our well-merited feeling of national guilt, given that 90% of the stuff in the museums was thieved from non-EU countries by the ancestors of the British Establishment.

It wasn't thieving back then, it was \"liberating from the fuzzy wuzzys\" for \"academic purposes\". I still can't work out why we need things like the Elgin Marbles when they don't even generate a profit because I can go and see them for free!!

I did remember some Maouri elders or some other tribe we'd robbed years ago, coming to the UK recently to reclaim some of their relics. There they all stood outside number 10, with a very sheepish PM looking like a naughty schoolboy forced to give back the toy he'd \"borrowed\" from his friend.

I'm sure you're not the only ones who did it Billy and Benaldo. I wish I knew more about this as history wasn't my major so my knowledge is limited. But there was a program on here recently called 'The Rape of Europa' about the Nazi''s and their destruction the Europe's art treasures, which sadly I missed, but will watch for the repeat.

But I do know we got a lot of them and then created a statue of limitations which made it ok for us to keep these stolen treasures if the descendants of the owners didn't claim them in time!  Nice, but unlike the UK we have no guilt as we still charge or ask for 'suggested donations' like Silent Majority found at the Museum of Natural History in NY, along with the Metropolitan Museum which according to Wiki has almost 400 pieces of this art, and 'charges' as well !!!

Btw, I did read somewhere that to get into the Metropolitan 'free', there is a certain entrance which isn't manned with a cash register, which would be fun to do -- not to cheat them but just for the principle of it.

Also, to be fair, I did give a donation to all your museums because I wanted to and because I wasn't made to, so I appreciated it even more!

P.S to Silent Majority:  I also hope you only paid $10 or nothing at all -- $18 is just way too steep!

[BobG]

did you know that both Rome and Prague were left intact beacuse the Nazis, or some of them anwyay, had a conscience? It wasn't 'Nazi rape of Europa' (Wherever the hell that is). It was individuals who stole things. Just like Lord Elgin and many, many thousands of others. I hear the troops who invaded Iraq quite recently (where did most of them come from I wonder?) stole untold billions of dollars worth of treasure too. There are museums there today that are totally and utterly empty. All stolen. You simply cannot blame a regime for the actions of individuals, or, if you do, you have to condemn all regimes that allow it. And that would include the British, the Russians, the Germans, the French and the Yanks.

BobG

[Sandy Lane]

In Iraq's case it does seem to be individuals who looted the museums, but I was referring to Hitler's deliberate destruction of expressionism modern art as he known to specifically dislike this kind of art.  And therefore it would suggest that it was in fact a regime who destroyed what he disliked and stole what he liked.   As I stated before, I did not see the program about this, but this is from the internet:

The Rape of Europa tells the epic story of the systematic theft, deliberate destruction and miraculous survival of Europe's art treasures during the Third Reich and the Second World War.

In a journey through seven countries, the film takes the audience into the violent whirlwind of fanaticism, greed, and warfare that threatened to wipe out the artistic heritage of Europe. For twelve long years, the Nazis looted and destroyed art on a scale unprecedented in history. But young art professionals as well as ordinary heroes, from truck drivers to department store clerks, fought back with an extraordinary effort to safeguard, rescue and return the millions of lost, hidden and stolen treasures.

The Rape of Europa begins and ends with the story of artist Gustav Klimt's famed Gold Portrait, stolen from Viennese Jews in 1938 and now the most expensive painting ever sold.



P.S.  I do condemn the US if it allowed the museums to be pilfered as the art belongs to the Iraqi people.  The spoils of war be damned!

[idler]

I thought that as law and order broke down some Iraqis actually started looting museums for saleable items. Once looting starts and gang mentlity takes over even some resonably law abiding people seem to get caught up in the something for nothing frenzy. It could happen anywhere,just look at England in the sales or panic buying when shortages are announced.

[RoversDave]

Somebody has started nicking my snow, is it the Yanks?

[Sandy Lane]

RoversDave wrote:

Somebody has started nicking my snow, is it the Yanks?

lol  

[hoolahoop]

Most if not all nations have had their artefacts stolen at some time or another including our own by successive raiding by the Vikings, Saxons, Jutes etc.
I don't have an ounce of guilt unless someone can point out to me that this wasn't done by the Greeks under Alexander the Great, the Romans, the Ottoman Empire. the Japanese in Korea, the Chinese in Tibet, the Mongols, the Egyptians etc. etc. Oh and the Iragis btw.
Jeez what is it with all this guilt shit, I know it's wrong but nevertheless great art, artefacts and resources have constantly been changing hands over the millennia.
How is it some can feel this way only when we have carried out such activities ?

[donnywhitegaz]

RoversDave wrote:

Somebody has started nicking my snow, is it the Yanks?

dont worry,they just borrowed it,its on its way back as we speak,should land some time tomorrow    here we go again  :angry: