Casting our performance aside

[Dagenham Rover]

which was crap.
 It's just been pointed out to me on the sky sports report that the ref was a certain Mr Eddie Illderton this bloke has been a grade 1 prat towards us as far as I can remember and if I remember rightly wasn't he the numpty that refused to come of the pitch at Frickly till the floodlights were turned off due to his inept performance in the Sheffield and Hallamshire Cup.
Didn't we have a Eddie watch for a while after with his red cards?
Certainly could explain some penalty decisions

Please don't get me wrong I am not blaming the ref for our performance but  yet again if a penalty was given at 0-1 yet again it could have been incredibly different

http://www.skysports.com/football/match_report/0,19764,11065_3284085,00.html

[Alan Southstand]

Straws and clutching come to mind.

[Dagenham Rover]

Not at all mate, the performance was crap its purely an observation and I'm not blaming the ref for the performance

[NathanDRFC]

Dagenham.Rover wrote:

which was crap.
 It's just been pointed out to me on the sky sports report that the ref was a certain Mr Eddie Illderton this bloke has been a grade 1 prat towards us as far as I can remember and if I remember rightly wasn't he the numpty that refused to come of the pitch at Frickly till the floodlights were turned off due to his inept performance in the Sheffield and Hallamshire Cup.

No, the referee at Frickley was Gary Mellor. Mellor refused to go until Frickley moved the home fans away from the tunnel area.

[Viking Don]

I thought the ref was decent today. Didn't really notice him which is a good sign. It wasn't a penalty.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I watched FL show highlights and I now think it should have been a penalty. At the game I thought his hands were down, but on the TV you could side his arms were spread.

[rtid88]

How on earth can u say that was not a penalty?!?!? His arm was out, the ball struck his hand and if it hadn't it could potentially have gone in the goal! I've not seen a more blantent penalty! At that point in the game we were actually starting to string a few passes together, that decision could have changed the game potentially!! Definitely clutching at straws but a fact none the less!!

[Viking Don]

Where do you expect his arms to be? You can't play football with your arms behind your back or with them welded to your sides.

So long as they're not in the air and there's no movement towards the ball then it isn't a penalty. That's my understanding of the rules anyway.

[Dagenham Rover]

NathanDRFC wrote:

Dagenham.Rover wrote:

which was crap.
 It's just been pointed out to me on the sky sports report that the ref was a certain Mr Eddie Illderton this bloke has been a grade 1 prat towards us as far as I can remember and if I remember rightly wasn't he the numpty that refused to come of the pitch at Frickly till the floodlights were turned off due to his inept performance in the Sheffield and Hallamshire Cup.

No, the referee at Frickley was Gary Mellor. Mellor refused to go until Frickley moved the home fans away from the tunnel area.

Cheers Nathan I knew somebody would remember who it was, but Mr Ilderton does stick in my mind for something but I can't remember what.

[The Red Baron]

Eddie Ilderton had a shocking game during our first season at the Keepmoat- when we were beaten by Cheltenham. He failed to send off their centre-back for a foul when he was last man and then booked Copps for diving when he was hacked down in the box.

Since then he's been back once or twice and had decent games. I thought he was OK yesterday. I did think the Ingimarsson incident was a penalty, but you also have to say they had a big shout for one down the other end a few minutes later. I suppose he either gives both or neither- at least he was consistent over what he feels constitutes handball. It's the interpretation between different referees over handball that seems vastly inconsistent and something that needs ironing out.

[stockyboy]

Have to agree with Viking. Wasn't a penalty and ref got it right. The defender was too close to Billy and with the power and pace he put into it, defender had no chance of getting out of the way.

[The Red Baron]

Viking Don wrote:

Where do you expect his arms to be? You can't play football with your arms behind your back or with them welded to your sides.

So long as they're not in the air and there's no movement towards the ball then it isn't a penalty. That's my understanding of the rules anyway.

If that position was applied consistently, then I wouldn't have a problem. The fact is, it isn't, and I can guarantee you that a situation like we had yesterday WILL result in a penalty being given with a different ref.

Those who went to Reading will recall the ball being blasted at Stock's arm from close range on the edge of the box. The result- a free-kick from which they scored. I'm not knocking individual referees, but (as they've tried to do with dangerous tackling) there needs to be an effort by the powers that be to get more uniformity of interpretation on handball.

[Viking Don]

You're right. It would be nice if the rules were applied consistently.

Had that been against us, at Reading, it might have been given, but I have to give credit to the ref for not giving it yesterday.

[idler]

The problem is Swansea got two penalties against Palace and the second one was for handball and even less likely than the one we had denied. Although our appeal rested on ball to hand he had his arm stuck out like a Christmas tree.

[i_ateallthepies]

With the current laws of the game, the decision was right, ball to hand, no intent on the part of the defender... not a penalty.
However, begs the question as to whether the rule is right.  Surely if the ball hits the hand AND stops a goal-bound effort then it is hand ball.  No intent on the part of the player but the hand has prevented a potential goal.  This surely should be a penalty?  No action against the defender since there was no intent but a penalty nonetheless.

[RobTheRover]

Actually, I thought the law was about denial of a goal from the ball stricking the arm, deliberate or not.

Gonna look it up.

Ilderton didnt have a bad game at all.  In fact it was only half way through the first half I realised it was him!!

[RTID75]

You do have to wonder that at 0-1 if the penalty was given (as I think it should have been) that if we'd have scored whether it would have turned into a different match though. We were playing well until they scored, and maybe with the impetus of a goal from the penalty the heads wouldn't have gone down like they did.

Of course, there can be no excuses the performance after their second though. We got what we deserved from then on.

[rtid88]

I don't think as a whole the ref had a bad game but IMO got the one crucial decision for us wrong!!