Main Gripe RE Palace giveaway

[DMnumber4]

STH speaking here, so in the words of every Wednesdayite and Blunt in the BBC dee-dah land it would be \"a grumble, Seth.\"

I'm afraid, I think JR has cocked up on this one a tad. Yes he's dipped his hand in his pocket to fund the deficit of 7,000 x £0.00.

However, he's not the only one. If it wasn't for myself, relatives, friends who'd stumped up a lot of hard cash when asked, before the season started then its doubtful this outlandish yet well intended gesture would be on offer.

Let us, at this point, not forget nearly 1500 travelling from London, paying £25+ a time. Credit to them. I know if the boot was on the other foot and the home fans were getting in for free I'd be fuming.

Anyway back to the STH's. How does JR expect to hold on to them? In all frankness, the numbers of season tickets sold is likely to decrease when the farces of £5 every other game or freebies are available, or would some still rather pay £500 to watch (POTENTIALLY) League 1 football?

Great gesture some call it and thats fine. I'm not jealous, despite how it sounds - i get all i want and need from my ST. However, a nominal fee would have not irked me so much.

[RobTheRover]

Thats because...

a) you are tight as a gnat's chuff, and
b) you like a good moan.

I bet yesterday's news secretly made your week.

;-)

[philsky]

Im a ST Holder.

This sort of moaning winds me up. Its surely a joke.

Unless anyone's not spotted the bleeding obvious, WERE IN THE SH$T right now and need every single lever available used to give the team every opportunity to help us retain Championship Football for next season.

The alternative would be to give in.

Get a freeking life.

Me and my lad turning up on Friday wont actually help the cause I know; but there we are !

I'm even going to dust down the Britannia Horn; it did well last time.

RTID

[AbsolutDRFC]

\"Let us, at this point, not forget nearly 1500 travelling from London, paying £25+ a time. Credit to them. I know if the boot was on the other foot and the home fans were getting in for free I'd be fuming\".

I couldn't care less about Palace or their fans....
Nothing personal, but we need EVERY advantage to get the 3 points on Friday and secure safety.

I don't recall any favours from anyone in South London when we've played down there the last 3 years.
I don't recall Bristol City reciprocating over our cut-price tickets.
I don't recall Leicester fans sticking up for us in December about their \"local promotion\".
I don't recall getting much out of referees this season.


Sorry DM4, I respect your opinion, but see the bigger picture please.

We all need to stick together on Friday; get the 3 points and then we can moan all we like during the cricket season.

[jonnydog]

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz... Sorry, is it friday yet?!?  

[The Red Baron]

Without wishing to come over all sub-Freudian, I wonder if we're seeing a bit of transposed anger in some of these posts. In most cases, if a team had gone through the sort of run we've had, then the manager, or the players, or most likely both, would have been the subject of the most fearful slanging, both on internet forums and (most crucially) at matches. This has not happened. Yes, there has been a bit of booing, a good deal of moaning and people voting with their feet by leaving games early. But not the kind of venom you'd have heard directed at say, Bramall Lane, over the last few months.

Then the club comes up with a wheeze to fill the ground for a crucial game. I think there are aspects of it that are questionable, but on balance it is probably a decent idea. Certainly it doesn't deserve the vitriol to which it has been subjected in some quarters. I think the rage we're seeing is really the frustration of several months of poor football and even worse results spilling over. And for all the talk about full houses and atmospheres, I don't think that particular boil will be lanced until the team comes out, puts in a performance and makes sure of our Championship status.

Roll on Friday!

[DonnyNoel]

Without wishing to come over all sub-Freudian, I wonder if we're seeing a bit of transposed anger in some of these posts. In most cases, if a team had gone through the sort of run we've had, then the manager, or the players, or most likely both, would have been the subject of the most fearful slanging, both on internet forums and (most crucially) at matches. This has not happened. Yes, there has been a bit of booing, a good deal of moaning and people voting with their feet by leaving games early. But not the kind of venom you'd have heard directed at say, Bramall Lane, over the last few months.

Then the club comes up with a wheeze to fill the ground for a crucial game. I think there are aspects of it that are questionable, but on balance it is probably a decent idea. Certainly it doesn't deserve the vitriol to which it has been subjected in some quarters. I think the rage we're seeing is really the frustration of several months of poor football and even worse results spilling over. And for all the talk about full houses and atmospheres, I don't think that particular boil will be lanced until the team comes out, puts in a performance and makes sure of our Championship status.

Roll on Friday!

I think that's an interesting point. When we reduced tickets for the Swansea game I think most people were positive about it? Could be linked to the league positions at the time?

I know I'm being as lazy as the ones who keep trotting out the \"not worth getting a season ticket\" line, but has anyone actually done the maths on the savings this season? Going to every game I'd still venture a guess that there'd have to be a fair few discounted matches to counter the saving you make on an ST?

[CusworthRovers]

Without wishing to come over all sub-Freudian, I wonder if we're seeing a bit of transposed anger in some of these posts. In most cases, if a team had gone through the sort of run we've had, then the manager, or the players, or most likely both, would have been the subject of the most fearful slanging, both on internet forums and (most crucially) at matches. This has not happened. Yes, there has been a bit of booing, a good deal of moaning and people voting with their feet by leaving games early. But not the kind of venom you'd have heard directed at say, Bramall Lane, over the last few months.

Then the club comes up with a wheeze to fill the ground for a crucial game. I think there are aspects of it that are questionable, but on balance it is probably a decent idea. Certainly it doesn't deserve the vitriol to which it has been subjected in some quarters. I think the rage we're seeing is really the frustration of several months of poor football and even worse results spilling over. And for all the talk about full houses and atmospheres, I don't think that particular boil will be lanced until the team comes out, puts in a performance and makes sure of our Championship status.

Roll on Friday!

Good post that Nietzsche

[The L J Monk]

SOD is dead. SOD remains dead. And we have killed him.

[benaldo]

Without wishing to come over all sub-Freudian, I wonder if we're seeing a bit of transposed anger in some of these posts. In most cases, if a team had gone through the sort of run we've had, then the manager, or the players, or most likely both, would have been the subject of the most fearful slanging, both on internet forums and (most crucially) at matches. This has not happened. Yes, there has been a bit of booing, a good deal of moaning and people voting with their feet by leaving games early. But not the kind of venom you'd have heard directed at say, Bramall Lane, over the last few months.

Then the club comes up with a wheeze to fill the ground for a crucial game. I think there are aspects of it that are questionable, but on balance it is probably a decent idea. Certainly it doesn't deserve the vitriol to which it has been subjected in some quarters. I think the rage we're seeing is really the frustration of several months of poor football and even worse results spilling over. And for all the talk about full houses and atmospheres, I don't think that particular boil will be lanced until the team comes out, puts in a performance and makes sure of our Championship status.

Roll on Friday!

Good post that Nietzsche

Wasn't Neietzsche the one who came up with idea of the Aryan Master-race? Read his book \"Why I am so wise\"....not a thinker I'd like to be associated with, partly the cause of millions of Jews going to the gas chambers, even though I am also wise.

[RobTheRover]

\"Let us, at this point, not forget nearly 1500 travelling from London, paying £25+ a time. Credit to them. I know if the boot was on the other foot and the home fans were getting in for free I'd be fuming\".

Reading Palace's forum, they seem quite unfazed by it.  Apparently they did something similar for home fans only v Barnsley (although not totally free).

[London_Rover]

Well said Phil...

[Viking Don]

STH speaking here, so in the words of every Wednesdayite and Blunt in the BBC dee-dah land it would be \"a grumble, Seth.\"

I'm afraid, I think JR has cocked up on this one a tad. Yes he's dipped his hand in his pocket to fund the deficit of 7,000 x £0.00.

However, he's not the only one. If it wasn't for myself, relatives, friends who'd stumped up a lot of hard cash when asked, before the season started then its doubtful this outlandish yet well intended gesture would be on offer.

Let us, at this point, not forget nearly 1500 travelling from London, paying £25+ a time. Credit to them. I know if the boot was on the other foot and the home fans were getting in for free I'd be fuming.

Anyway back to the STH's. How does JR expect to hold on to them? In all frankness, the numbers of season tickets sold is likely to decrease when the farces of £5 every other game or freebies are available, or would some still rather pay £500 to watch (POTENTIALLY) League 1 football?

Great gesture some call it and thats fine. I'm not jealous, despite how it sounds - i get all i want and need from my ST. However, a nominal fee would have not irked me so much.

Wow, I think you should have a think about what you've put there. How many free games per season have you ever had? Or anyone else?

That's possibly the biggest crock of shite I've read for ages.

And yes, He/they is the one who has funded this, not you! Rovers already have your money FFS! Grow some.

[danumdon]

Another point of view ?

Would JR have got more bang from his buck by using this money to have brought in a quality centre half at the beginning of the season on loan (even if it had been just an initial loan till xmas)and not wasting money on half a team of makeweights?

Would we now be in this position ?

The majority of posters on here wanted the club to do a deal with Shackell, would that extra 5k a week now not be seen as money well spent.

[RobTheRover]

Good point well made.

[Wokingviking]

Another point of view ?

Would JR have got more bang from his buck by using this money to have brought in a quality centre half at the beginning of the season on loan (even if it had been just an initial loan till xmas)and not wasting money on half a team of makeweights?

Would we now be in this position ?

The majority of posters on here wanted the club to do a deal with Shackell, would that extra 5k a week now not be seen as money well spent.

It's not just about one £5k pw though is it?  You have to multiply that through a number of the other players (Copps, Stocky, Billy etc) who then want a raise, or hold firm and face a morale issue in the dressing room and the potential effect on performances.  It's a difficult one.

[Filo]

Another point of view ?

Would JR have got more bang from his buck by using this money to have brought in a quality centre half at the beginning of the season on loan (even if it had been just an initial loan till xmas)and not wasting money on half a team of makeweights?

Would we now be in this position ?

The majority of posters on here wanted the club to do a deal with Shackell, would that extra 5k a week now not be seen as money well spent.

It's not just about one £5k pw though is it?  You have to multiply that through a number of the other players (Copps, Stocky, Billy etc) who then want a raise, or hold firm and face a morale issue in the dressing room and the potential effect on performances.  It's a difficult one.

I just wonder how much of an issue it is at this present time

[DMnumber4]

STH speaking here, so in the words of every Wednesdayite and Blunt in the BBC dee-dah land it would be \"a grumble, Seth.\"

I'm afraid, I think JR has cocked up on this one a tad. Yes he's dipped his hand in his pocket to fund the deficit of 7,000 x £0.00.

However, he's not the only one. If it wasn't for myself, relatives, friends who'd stumped up a lot of hard cash when asked, before the season started then its doubtful this outlandish yet well intended gesture would be on offer.

Let us, at this point, not forget nearly 1500 travelling from London, paying £25+ a time. Credit to them. I know if the boot was on the other foot and the home fans were getting in for free I'd be fuming.

Anyway back to the STH's. How does JR expect to hold on to them? In all frankness, the numbers of season tickets sold is likely to decrease when the farces of £5 every other game or freebies are available, or would some still rather pay £500 to watch (POTENTIALLY) League 1 football?

Great gesture some call it and thats fine. I'm not jealous, despite how it sounds - i get all i want and need from my ST. However, a nominal fee would have not irked me so much.

Wow, I think you should have a think about what you've put there. How many free games per season have you ever had? Or anyone else?

That's possibly the biggest crock of shite I've read for ages.

And yes, He/they is the one who has funded this, not you! Rovers already have your money FFS! Grow some.

This is the point mate, as a season ticket holder I get no free games, not even the cups where we send out the youth team.

If this all backfires on Ryan, which it may well unfortunately do then are these plastics going to come back?

And should the unthinkable happen, and we be relegated, who's Ryan going to turn to for money? Mugs like me and thee who he's just sh*t on!

[DonnyRTID]

DMnumber4 wrote:
\"And should the unthinkable happen, and we be relegated, who's Ryan going to turn to for money? Mugs like me and thee who he's just sh*t on!\"


Hang on a minute,just remember if it weren't for John Ryan we wouldn't even be having this debate would we!.

[RobTheRover]

Spot on.  Disgraceful comments, Stu.  John hasnt shit on anyone - its a marketing stunt to fill the ground for arguably our biggest game for 3 years.

If you cant see beyond the end of your wallet, mate, you are following the wrong club.  We all thought we didnt have a club, hell you were there.

[rover-n-out]

Danumdon, Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing!!

[rover-n-out]

Jesus Christ, some of the anti JR comments on here are way off the mark. Are you people intent on driving JR out of the club, because with some of the shit I've read on here, if I were him I'd take my millions and tell you to shove the club up your feckin' arse. Disgraceful!.

[Wokingviking]

Well said rover-n-out.

This thread is an absolute disgrace and I now wish I'd never joined it earlier and given it credence.  I apologise for being part of it.

[drfc1951]

surely as season ticket holders, it equates to 2 or 3 games free over the 23 games.

[Kenny_Senior]

Even if we are relegated, you cannot fault the board for letting everyone in for free tomorrow and trying to create the best atmosphere possible for the players.

It is the biggest game of the season and arguably our most important game for a few years. It's more important than any game we had in our first season of the Championship, due to the stage of the season we're at and the nature of what's possibly at stake if we lose.

My only hope is that come kick-off tomorrow, the incessant bitching from some season ticket holders who consider themselves to be individually more important than the club, will stop, so that everyone in the ground can get behind the team.

And I hope there is no derisory chants of \"You're only here for a freebie!\" to non season-ticket holders, because we all need to eb united in the stands to support our players in this huge game. There's no doubt about it, tomorrow's game is unbelievably important.

[hoolahoop]

STH speaking here, so in the words of every Wednesdayite and Blunt in the BBC dee-dah land it would be \"a grumble, Seth.\"

I'm afraid, I think JR has cocked up on this one a tad. Yes he's dipped his hand in his pocket to fund the deficit of 7,000 x £0.00.

However, he's not the only one. If it wasn't for myself, relatives, friends who'd stumped up a lot of hard cash when asked, before the season started then its doubtful this outlandish yet well intended gesture would be on offer.

Let us, at this point, not forget nearly 1500 travelling from London, paying £25+ a time. Credit to them. I know if the boot was on the other foot and the home fans were getting in for free I'd be fuming.

Anyway back to the STH's. How does JR expect to hold on to them? In all frankness, the numbers of season tickets sold is likely to decrease when the farces of £5 every other game or freebies are available, or would some still rather pay £500 to watch (POTENTIALLY) League 1 football?

Great gesture some call it and thats fine. I'm not jealous, despite how it sounds - i get all i want and need from my ST. However, a nominal fee would have not irked me so much.

Wow, I think you should have a think about what you've put there. How many free games per season have you ever had? Or anyone else?

That's possibly the biggest crock of shite I've read for ages.

And yes, He/they is the one who has funded this, not you! Rovers already have your money FFS! Grow some.

This is the point mate, as a season ticket holder I get no free games, not even the cups where we send out the youth team.

If this all backfires on Ryan, which it may well unfortunately do then are these plastics going to come back?

And should the unthinkable happen, and we be relegated, who's Ryan going to turn to for money? Mugs like me and thee who he's just sh*t on!

I'm sorry you and others feel so strongly about freebies that you're not even paying for........I hope this thread was just to provoke debate.
I've been on the Palace forum and not one yes NOT ONE of them is moaning and whingeing like you are, no wonder with this sort of fookin attitude that we can't fill the place!! :angry: :angry: :angry:
Grow up ffs and stop being so selfish, can't you see the bigger picture ? Why didn't you bring a mate like many of the other moaning fookin STH'S queueing up for their freebies ? Hold on you don't need to answer that.

[Keith Myath]

Will the Leicester game be free if the situation is by then even more perilous?

When will it end? Shame on you JOhn Ryan for putting Doncaster rovers before the odd miserable bas**rd season ticket holder!

RTIHTP (rovers till I have to pay)