Terry bramhall ?

[NorthNorfolkRover]

Any one know has he gone or not ? Apart from dick watson are there any real money men able to tell jr what to do by with holding further investment? You have to admire jr for talking on this flak at his time of life for an interest that costsrather than makes him money.only one jr chant tomorrow for me:scarf:

[steve@dcfd]

Terry Bramhall the man who put his arm up inside the puppet king.and tells him what he can do.

[silent majority]

You can speculate all you like, but the truth is he owns the same amount of Doncaster Rovers as JR, so does Dick Watson.

He hasn't gone anywhere, what he has said (and I'm going on information received) is that he doesn't want to fund the shortfall, and who can blame him for that?

[Superspy]

So what DOES he want to fund, if anything?

[silent majority]

So what DOES he want to fund, if anything?

Who says he has to? He bought into Doncaster Rovers, as did other shareholders, does he have to do more than that?

[Superspy]

I have no idea, as I don't know how it works being a shareholder in a football club, that's why I was asking the question.

[silent majority]

Most people who buy a business do so because they expect to earn an income from it, and then at some point sell it in the future and make a profit.

Football doesn't work quite the same way, most people who buy into a football club generally kiss their millions goodbye, unless you're a Glazer or a Bates.

TB bought shares in DRFC from JR, as did DW. My understanding is that the 3 Directors were funding the spending gap between our income and our expenditure, something that had been running at about £2-3m a year. TB decided he didn't want to do that any more passing the burden onto the other shareholders. His choice, not an obligation.

[Goldthorpe Rover]

If he bought into a three way share then he would well know that he would be expected to put his hand into his pocket and pay his part. Does anybody know if he is a true fan or just a buisness partner ?

[silent majority]

I don't follow your logic. There are more than 3 shareholders in DRFC but only 3 had been meeting the shortfall, why does this have to be part of the agreement? I bet there's no mention of this in any contract or agreement.

[Superspy]

Well surely something would have been agreed regarding investment, otherwise why would JR sell to them in the first place. He doesn't exactly seem hard up for the cash.

[benaldo]

So DW and TB were led into the stable, lied to about why they were there, then TB has decided to kick the stable door open and stand outside in case he needs to bolt in a hurry, leaving the other horses in the shit?

That's what it sounds like....

[Superspy]

Interesting analogy benaldo, haha.

[Red Rover]

I heard a rumour that Terry Bramhall, Doncaster's richest bloke, had spat the dummy out and wants out of Rovers.

[Filo]

I heard a rumour that Terry Bramhall, Doncaster's richest bloke, had spat the dummy out and wants out of Rovers.

I think Lord Kirkham might have that claim to fame

[Wellred]

I heard a rumour that Terry Bramhall, Doncaster's richest bloke, had spat the dummy out and wants out of Rovers.

I heard a rumour that TB wouldn't put any more money into the club whilst SOD was Manager.

[Berkshire Rover]

DW and TB have bought shares in the company that owns DRFC, not from JR.

They have done this over a period of a few years, which is how they ( along with JR) have covered the shortfall between our income and expenditure.

None of the Directors ( or other shareholders like the VSC) have any obligation to continue to do so. I'm grateful for the support shown in the past, I hope it continues into the future, but at the end of the day it's their decision.

I think it is fair to say that of the three TB has the least interest in football and therefore was likely to be the first one to reduce his level of support.

[Red Rover]

I heard a rumour that Terry Bramhall, Doncaster's richest bloke, had spat the dummy out and wants out of Rovers.

I heard a rumour that TB wouldn't put any more money into the club whilst SOD was Manager.

Yeh heard that too!

[Berkshire Rover]

I heard a rumour that TB wouldn't put any more money into the club because season ticket sales were so disappointing!

[Wellred]

I heard another rumour that season ticket sales are down because they are perceived to be too expensive and why should people bother when they can get lots of cheap deals.

[Filo]

I heard a rumour that TB wouldn't put any more money into the club because season ticket sales were so disappointing!

Which nicely brings us round to the question of how we can afford to get rid of the person in charge of the on field activities for lack of progress, but no one wants to address the problem with the person in charge of the off field activities!

[Wellred]

I heard a rumour that TB wouldn't put any more money into the club because season ticket sales were so disappointing!

Which nicely brings us round to the question of how we can afford to get rid of the person in charge of the on field activities for lack of progress, but no one wants to address the problem with the person in charge of the off field activities!

Maybe JR doesn't have his mobile number

[grayx]

I heard a rumour that Terry Bramhall, Doncaster's richest bloke, had spat the dummy out and wants out of Rovers.

I wouldn,t be that bothered to be honest. If he isn't prepared to invest his money or help meet the \"shortfall\" like the other 2 major shareholders then do we need him?
It would appear he is more of a businessman than a rovers fanatic (unlike JR).

I would much prefer this rumour to be true,than the one i was told yesterday (JR stepping down & TB becoming the majority shareholder). Then we would be in the shit.

[graingrover]

well if JR and DW continue to cover the shortfall by incresing the share capital which is clearly nominative then TB 's share in the club will be gradually and proportionately diluted I guess.

[NorthNorfolkRover]

well if JR and DW continue to cover the shortfall by incresing the share capital which is clearly nominative then TB 's share in the club will be gradually and proportionately diluted I guess.

Totally agree in which case what is the business case for his  shareholding being  up for sale as the net book value of the club must be near zero ie no assets. Also the council must be sweating. If we did end up back  in the conference they would have to plug our £1m rent them selves every year. Maybe better to sell for a pittance now ? In which case tb could still recoup his investment

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Hearing and seeing JR referring to potential shortfall of £3-£4m this season got me thinking. Now knowing JR, he and other directors would most likely tend to risk more 'investment' than income and be prepared to put more money in for the sake of the club.

I just wondered about the shortfall figure and though I'd try and put some perspective on that figure, guessing he is taking in to account lower attendance figures. As you know, being a saddo, I've done some background work on pricing/attendances etc.

Based on Cat 1 prices to make up a shortfall of £3m, we would have to achieve an average attendance of over 17000.

Clearly that is not possible and clearly JR cannot have budgeted for that. An average attendance of 12,500 would have left the directors with a shortfall of around £1.5m. (This of course doesn't account for other revenue streams TV money, player transfers etc.)  

I guess a shortfall of around £1.5m is more manageable but when we're talking £3m to £4m then that's not good business and may be that's why TB said enough's enough.

As you know, I think the clubs pricing policies hinder more than help to get revenue in, but even with more modest pricing and fixed ticket prices, unless we are in the top 4, we cannot make up the higher attendances to cover a shortfall of that magnitude.