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QuoteAnyone that thinks it's "a piece of piss" to get a job is just a nob that has never been in that situation! I hate when people say it's easy to get a job, it isn't easy at all. It's probably the hardest thing i've ever done. It's like a full time job in itself.It is a piece of piss to get a job. It's not a piece of piss to get a good job. It should be a full time job getting a job if you haven't got one. Why would you expect it not to be? If you don't like the job situation start your own businesses.
Anyone that thinks it's "a piece of piss" to get a job is just a nob that has never been in that situation! I hate when people say it's easy to get a job, it isn't easy at all. It's probably the hardest thing i've ever done. It's like a full time job in itself.
It's when people say things like that, that it really infuriates me. I was prepared to do pretty much any job, I travelled from Leeds to Doncaster for just one day a week, to clean two churches for that one day, i got around £160 a month. I wasn't on any benefits because I lost them when I decided to move in with my girlfriend. I've never been work shy, and in fact, i'm writing this before i go out to work. How could you possibly expect me to start up my own business? Should I do it with thin air? Be serious, have a think before you judge people that are unemployed. It's by no means an easy ride, you have absolutely no idea what kind of emotional strain there is attached to being unemployed unless you've been there for any period of time yourself.
Sorry but who are you to judge me? I didn't say there weren't any jobs, so I don't know where you get that one from. There are jobs in the job centres, very little that someone that's applying for their first proper job can apply for, due to lack of experience and so on, but the main reason for not getting a job is simply because I didn't have enough experience. I don't know why i'm even arguing this, but seeing as I am, i'll make a solid argument...Between November 11 and January 12, I'd applied for 26 jobs at ASDA, not sound like a lot? It was every single job they posted on their website. I've probably applied for more jobs than you've done days work! And what you're saying about companies isn't right at all! It's complete rubbish! Go read some statistics about most companies that are set up failing within the first 6 months or something! For god sake do some research before you spout rubbish off because you're probably sick of paying taxes towards people on benefits... Which may I add, isn't a lot in a year! I'd love to see someone like you survive for any period of time without a job in this current climate!
After seeing a LOT of people over the past three years trying to get jobs it is plain to see the ignorance of certain people, yes there are a lot of jobs advertised, most of them are agency work with no guarantees of daily work, poor pay and absolutely no prospects. Other jobs are for the very specialised with unique skills that pay well, there are very few where an employer takes somebody on, pays them a decent wage and has some sort of structure in place to allow them to develop as an employee. This is no fault of G Brown but part of the infrastructure developed under the umbrella of M.Thatcher in making employment "more flexible". What you seem to be advocating is that people should take any job, not an unfair point of view, until it affects your own family, then it is "I don't want them going into a dead end job." Slightly hypocritical to say the least, but then do we expect anything less?
When you are in a paradox of thrift crisis, where EVERYONE is trying to reduce their spending at once, this wonderful right wing idea that every unemployed person should start their own business is b*llocks. There is no market.
There is and there always has been only one way out of the sort of crisis that the developed world is in. We have an able, willing and educated workforce (despite what bigots like Mick say, wanting to blame unemployment on idleness). What we don't have is demand for their labour. The way out is for Govt spending to drive up demand, get people working, get people spending, get people buying the thinks that other people make and get private industry growing as a result.
QuoteWhen you are in a paradox of thrift crisis, where EVERYONE is trying to reduce their spending at once, this wonderful right wing idea that every unemployed person should start their own business is b*llocks. There is no market.What a load of leftie twaddle. Not EVERYONE is trying to reduce their spending at once. I am actually a good example of someone who is increasing my spending. Because I have been a paragon of virtue in the past I can now reap the benefits and help get the economy kick-started. I saved in the past and didn't spend more than I had coming in. It is losers that lived beyond their means that are now cutting back and rightly so.I'm not saying every unemployed person should start their own business. If they don't want to do this there are plenty of dead end jobs they can do instead. 'There is no market'. What a defeatist statement. The whole world is a market. No wonder you are a leftie with such a depressing outlook on life.
No, but maybe to suit your philosophy where everybody must look after themselves your children should take what they can get without Daddy having to pay out for them.
mjdgregI'll repeat once again. In 2007, our Govt debt to GDP ratio was lower than it had been for all but 6 of the previous 60 years. The UK Govt did NOT spend recklessly before the crash. Let's just get that down for the record, because any further discussion is pointless if we don't start off with correct facts.You can hammer on all you want about Brown spending manically. But it simply is not true. He may well have spent more than YOU liked, but he did not over spend between 97-07 by any historical comparison. So that's that one nailed.
'There is no market'. What a defeatist statement. The whole world is a market. No wonder you are a leftie with such a depressing outlook on life.
What happened AFTER the global crash in 07-08 was two things. Firstly our tax revenue collapsed, principally due to companies' profits falling through the floor. That happened in every single mature western economy. Every one.Secondly, the Brown Govt employed the classic Keynesian response of a fiscal stimulus (Givt spending) to kick start growth. And it did. By summer 10, the economy had come out of recession strongly and was growing again.Osborne wouldn't have done that. You wouldn't have done that. YOU. Would have kept interest rates high and cut back Govt spending. Can you explain what the consequences of that approach would have been?
You do realise you keep contradicting yourself don't you mjdgreg? You're telling people in one post to save and stop spending their money, then in the next post your asking the unemployed to start up their own businesses and sell to "the whole world"? You can't have both Mick, so which would you have us all do? Spend our money to help businesses, or save all our money? Coz at the minute mush you're just coming across as a bit of a tool...
You don't go a bundle in cause and effect do you Mick. You think that upping interest rates would have given us a short sharp recession and then all would be fine? God help us if peoe really do believe this when deciding who to vote for. Recessions are not done sort of purgative process from which an economy naturally rebounds healthily. They are indications that the system has malfunctioned and they only ONLY end when the problems in the system have been addressed. Your suggestion is like a doctor seeing a man have a heart attack and prescribing that we cut his legs off.The current problem is that there is woefully insufficient demand in the economy. Not enough people and businesses are spending. How in the name of hell does increasing interest rates address that problem? We're waiting with bated breath Mick. Enlighten us.
But what are they spending the money on mjdgreg? Is it to the benefit of the greatest number of people by creating jobs, spending power and care services - or is it on pointless muliti-billion arms contracts for nuclear weapons that will never be used - and propping up the City banking industry where they have shares and directorships, hmmm let me see..
By the way, the coalition Govt is still spending at a high level, partly because unemployment has gone up since they came to power.
mjdgregIf you really, really believe that inflation is the enemy right now and that higher interest rates would set us on the path to recovery, then any further debate is pointless. You clearly haven't the vaguest comprehension of what the current Depression is all about. You clearly have no comprehension about monetary responses to economic contractions, never mind the limits that these come up against in a liquidity trap. Go and read up on basic economics before you waste our time any further and you make a fool of yourself any further by spouting such utter drivel.But don't just take my word for it. Ask yourself why interest rates are at record lows in every developed nation on earth. Not just under the mad Scottish lefty did interest rates collapse. It happened under Dubya in America. It happened in Europe. It happened in Japan. Were they all mad lefties who didn't have your wisdom on inflation?Raise interest rates in a liquidity trap Depression! f*** me sideways. The terrifying threat for the last few years, and still today, is DEflation. Strip out external cost increases in fuel and food and our economy is deflating. That is when things get really scary, because that is the scenario in which people simply stop spending. And if I stop spending, you stop earning. And if you stop spending, I stop earning. And how the f*** do you get out of THAT trap Mick? Enlighten us.Raising interest rates. Jesus f***ing wept.