Smoking area

[hoolahoop]

Like I said......smokers don't want to hear that smoking is the number one self inflicted cause of cancer in the world.

I think in the light of all the health promotion that drfc have done, they wouldn't want to be associated with helping people to ram more benzene, arsenic, cadmium, formaldehyde, polonium-210, chromium, acrolein, hydrogen cyanide, into their lungs, but what do I know?

Disclaimer - All health concerns caused by smoking will be picked up without charge to anyone except the taxpayer, by the NHS. Although they'd much rather use the money to help sick kids or the elderly.

In the interests of balance benny me old fool ............

Cigarettes also = huge income to the Revenue. I believe far more than any health costs. This thread has turned from an idea into introducing choice to multitudinous posts preaching about the dangers of smoking.
Get off your high horses some of you .....smokers are aware of the risks and this thread was initially started to find ways of removing that very risk from non-smokers. The 'holier than thou' attitudes of some are pathetic.

[shaun from thorne]

If they do make some where available for the smokers to have a quick ciggy at half time will it be no standing.

[uptonson]

If they do make some where available for the smokers to have a quick ciggy at half time will it be no standing.

Knew somebody would have to try and inject some humour.  If you nothing sensible to add keep out of the debate.

[benaldo]

Like I said......smokers don't want to hear that smoking is the number one self inflicted cause of cancer in the world.

I think in the light of all the health promotion that drfc have done, they wouldn't want to be associated with helping people to ram more benzene, arsenic, cadmium, formaldehyde, polonium-210, chromium, acrolein, hydrogen cyanide, into their lungs, but what do I know?

Disclaimer - All health concerns caused by smoking will be picked up without charge to anyone except the taxpayer, by the NHS. Although they'd much rather use the money to help sick kids or the elderly.

In the interests of balance benny me old fool ............

Cigarettes also = huge income to the Revenue. I believe far more than any health costs. This thread has turned from an idea into introducing choice to multitudinous posts preaching about the dangers of smoking.
Get off your high horses some of you .....smokers are aware of the risks and this thread was initially started to find ways of removing that very risk from non-smokers. The 'holier than thou' attitudes of some are pathetic.

Well that would be right, apart from it isn't. A direct quote from the NHS is that it spends "most of our income on smoking related diseases". How much does the NHS get? Around £100,000,000,000 a year. How much does UK tobacco revenue generate? Well, would you believe it....... around £8,000,000,000. Now I"m not a maths student but I do have a B in gcse maths and I think you'll find that the revenue does not cover the treatment.....by a very, very, long way.

[shaun from thorne]

uptonson ,my earlier post.............Some 126 million nonsmokers are exposed to secondhand smoke, what  Surgeon General Richard Carmona repeatedly calls “involuntary smoking” that puts people at increased risk of death from lung cancer, heart disease and other illnesses.er post....is that sensible enough for you......

[uptonson]

uptonson ,my earlier post.............Some 126 million nonsmokers are exposed to secondhand smoke, what  Surgeon General Richard Carmona repeatedly calls “involuntary smoking” that puts people at increased risk of death from lung cancer, heart disease and other illnesses.er post....is that sensible enough for you......

Heard it all before.  Unless you want second hand smoke, you don't come outside at half time.  I am still waiting for somebody to tell me which toilet to attend to join the smokers club.  Nobody I know who smokes can tell me as we all are at a loss to where it is.  I suppose it is outside before the match.

[uptonson]

Anyway this argument can go on forever.  Lets call it a day and wait for the Rovers to decide and then we can all light up in our seats and then lets see our 'stewards' leave the TV's and try and remove us all from the stadium.  More entertainment than the match.

[hoolahoop]

Like I said......smokers don't want to hear that smoking is the number one self inflicted cause of cancer in the world.

I think in the light of all the health promotion that drfc have done, they wouldn't want to be associated with helping people to ram more benzene, arsenic, cadmium, formaldehyde, polonium-210, chromium, acrolein, hydrogen cyanide, into their lungs, but what do I know?

Disclaimer - All health concerns caused by smoking will be picked up without charge to anyone except the taxpayer, by the NHS. Although they'd much rather use the money to help sick kids or the elderly.

In the interests of balance benny me old fool ............

Cigarettes also = huge income to the Revenue. I believe far more than any health costs. This thread has turned from an idea into introducing choice to multitudinous posts preaching about the dangers of smoking.
Get off your high horses some of you .....smokers are aware of the risks and this thread was initially started to find ways of removing that very risk from non-smokers. The 'holier than thou' attitudes of some are pathetic.

Well that would be right, apart from it isn't. A direct quote from the NHS is that it spends "most of our income on smoking related diseases". How much does the NHS get? Around £100,000,000,000 a year. How much does UK tobacco revenue generate? Well, would you believe it....... around £8,000,000,000. Now I"m not a maths student but I do have a B in gcse maths and I think you'll find that the revenue does not cover the treatment.....by a very, very, long way.

Really well the revenue collected by HMRC is estimated to be £12.1 billion this year alone on checking . Please could you provide me with the link that has the £100 billion stat in it or have you made that one up too ?

[hoolahoop]

Incidentally from a NHS stats site some strange anomalies

 ■In England in 2010, 20 per cent of adults reported smoking, which is similar to 2009 where 21 per cent of adults reported smoking but much lower than the 39 per cent in 1980.

■In England in 2011, over a quarter of pupils (25 per cent), had tried smoking at least once and 5 per cent were regular smokers (smoking at least one cigarette a week).
■In 2010/11 among adults aged 35 and over, there were approximately 1.5 million hospital admissions with a primary diagnosis of a disease that can be caused by smoking. The annual number of admissions has been rising steadily since 1996/97, when the number of such admissions was 1.1 million.
■In 2010/11 among adults aged 35 and over, around 459,900 hospital admissions were estimated to be attributable to smoking. This accounts for 5 per cent of all hospital admissions in this age group.
■In 2011 among adults aged 35 and over, around 79,100 deaths (18 per cent of all deaths of adults aged 35 and over) were estimated to be caused by smoking.
■In England in 2010, current smokers smoked an average of 12.7 cigarettes per day

[NickDRFC]

Like I said......smokers don't want to hear that smoking is the number one self inflicted cause of cancer in the world.

I think in the light of all the health promotion that drfc have done, they wouldn't want to be associated with helping people to ram more benzene, arsenic, cadmium, formaldehyde, polonium-210, chromium, acrolein, hydrogen cyanide, into their lungs, but what do I know?

Disclaimer - All health concerns caused by smoking will be picked up without charge to anyone except the taxpayer, by the NHS. Although they'd much rather use the money to help sick kids or the elderly.

Your tax point isn't really valid - the tax brought in by smoking massively outweighs the cost to the NHS.

[donnyproletarian]

If 18 percent of deaths are caused by smoking then 82 per cent must be caused by other factors.Wonder what these are? and why research pointing out these factors have been conveniently ignored over the past 30 years by successive governments.Food for thought

[Donnywolf]

Accidents on the road and elsewhere - Fires - Murders - Manslaughter - Natural causes

Those will make up lots of the 82%

[RFG]

Accidents on the road and elsewhere - Fires - Murders - Manslaughter - Natural causes

Those will make up lots of the 82%

Really think manslaughter/murder make up more than 1%?

This thread shows the fundamental flaw of internet forums. A thread is started about the potential opening of a smoking area, and people spend 3 1/2 pages discussing the health benefits of smoking. I occasionally have a cig, its not like I'm not aware of any dangers, I just like to have one now and again. A smoking area would cost very little, and hopefully remove any smoking in the toilets. Surely the club, who have actual financial data, can do a quick cost benefit analysis and decide.

Cost of smoking area/litter >/< Cost of stewards inspecting toilets/litter. Then its easy from there. Impossible to decide on costs without knowing. And btw, the wage for a steward would be about £2.5 for the 20 mins of opening doors, watching people, and maybe even a quick sweep.

[uptonson]

Accidents on the road and elsewhere - Fires - Murders - Manslaughter - Natural causes

Those will make up lots of the 82%

Really think manslaughter/murder make up more than 1%?

This thread shows the fundamental flaw of internet forums. A thread is started about the potential opening of a smoking area, and people spend 3 1/2 pages discussing the health benefits of smoking. I occasionally have a cig, its not like I'm not aware of any dangers, I just like to have one now and again. A smoking area would cost very little, and hopefully remove any smoking in the toilets. Surely the club, who have actual financial data, can do a quick cost benefit analysis and decide.

Cost of smoking area/litter >/< Cost of stewards inspecting toilets/litter. Then its easy from there. Impossible to decide on costs without knowing. And btw, the wage for a steward would be about £2.5 for the 20 mins of opening doors, watching people, and maybe even a quick sweep.

And knowing some of the stewards a quick fag.