Smoking

[jonnydog]

And, while we're on the subject. The most common form of cancers at the moment are testicular cancer and prostate cancer (NOT lung cancer) so keep feeling your balls and make sure your pissing freely chaps !

The more recent statistics say you are more likely to die from excess w**king than smoking!

PS. Don't be a knob, and choose to smoke as it's not clever. I wished I'd never started !!

I would like to emphasise that last comment too even as a smoker . If you're young , think it's clever.........IT'S NOT. Smoking is anti-social does have a knock on effect on your health, ruins your attractiveness to the opposite sex, leaves a nasty smell both on you and others and is bloody expensive.

PS. Don't be a knob, and choose to smoke as it's not clever. I wished I'd never started !!

+1

I've been off them 2 and a half month and never felt better, or been as better off financially. I'm certainly not against those who wish to smoke as that is your choice as it was mine. But there are no positives to doing it whatsoever, and it's a downright bloody awful addiction so what's the point.

[uptonson]

And, while we're on the subject. The most common form of cancers at the moment are testicular cancer and prostate cancer (NOT lung cancer) so keep feeling your balls and make sure your pissing freely chaps !

The more recent statistics say you are more likely to die from excess w**king than smoking!

PS. Don't be a knob, and choose to smoke as it's not clever. I wished I'd never started !!

I would like to emphasise that last comment too even as a smoker . If you're young , think it's clever.........IT'S NOT. Smoking is anti-social does have a knock on effect on your health, ruins your attractiveness to the opposite sex, leaves a nasty smell both on you and others and is bloody expensive.

PS. Don't be a knob, and choose to smoke as it's not clever. I wished I'd never started !!

+1

I've been off them 2 and a half month and never felt better, or been as better off financially. I'm certainly not against those who wish to smoke as that is your choice as it was mine. But there are no positives to doing it whatsoever, and it's a downright bloody awful addiction so what's the point.

Another ex smoker, who suddenly become the best and biggest authority on smoking.  So you gave up, good lad, big deal, go on kill yourself with self pity.
Congratulations to the club for giving its supporters the choice and by the way I know some who don't come because they can't smoke, they don't go to pubs cause they can't smoke, they prefer to stop at home, listen to Radio Dee Dar on player and smoke and drink and feel happy without giving our club the money they need and deserve.
Lets end this now and let everybody have their choice to do what they want within reason.  There will always be people against and for any idea put forward.

[Chris Black come back]

And, while we're on the subject. The most common form of cancers at the moment are testicular cancer and prostate cancer (NOT lung cancer) so keep feeling your balls and make sure your pissing freely chaps !

The more recent statistics say you are more likely to die from excess w**king than smoking!

PS. Don't be a knob, and choose to smoke as it's not clever. I wished I'd never started !!

I would like to emphasise that last comment too even as a smoker . If you're young , think it's clever.........IT'S NOT. Smoking is anti-social does have a knock on effect on your health, ruins your attractiveness to the opposite sex, leaves a nasty smell both on you and others and is bloody expensive.

PS. Don't be a knob, and choose to smoke as it's not clever. I wished I'd never started !!

+1

I've been off them 2 and a half month and never felt better, or been as better off financially. I'm certainly not against those who wish to smoke as that is your choice as it was mine. But there are no positives to doing it whatsoever, and it's a downright bloody awful addiction so what's the point.

Another ex smoker, who suddenly become the best and biggest authority on smoking.  So you gave up, good lad, big deal, go on kill yourself with self pity.
Congratulations to the club for giving its supporters the choice and by the way I know some who don't come because they can't smoke, they don't go to pubs cause they can't smoke, they prefer to stop at home, listen to Radio Dee Dar on player and smoke and drink and feel happy without giving our club the money they need and deserve.
Lets end this now and let everybody have their choice to do what they want within reason.  There will always be people against and for any idea put forward.

Lies. No fan has ever not come to a game because they can't smoke. Pure fantasy.

[uptonson]

And, while we're on the subject. The most common form of cancers at the moment are testicular cancer and prostate cancer (NOT lung cancer) so keep feeling your balls and make sure your pissing freely chaps !

The more recent statistics say you are more likely to die from excess w**king than smoking!

PS. Don't be a knob, and choose to smoke as it's not clever. I wished I'd never started !!

I would like to emphasise that last comment too even as a smoker . If you're young , think it's clever.........IT'S NOT. Smoking is anti-social does have a knock on effect on your health, ruins your attractiveness to the opposite sex, leaves a nasty smell both on you and others and is bloody expensive.

PS. Don't be a knob, and choose to smoke as it's not clever. I wished I'd never started !!

+1

I've been off them 2 and a half month and never felt better, or been as better off financially. I'm certainly not against those who wish to smoke as that is your choice as it was mine. But there are no positives to doing it whatsoever, and it's a downright bloody awful addiction so what's the point.

Another ex smoker, who suddenly become the best and biggest authority on smoking.  So you gave up, good lad, big deal, go on kill yourself with self pity.
Congratulations to the club for giving its supporters the choice and by the way I know some who don't come because they can't smoke, they don't go to pubs cause they can't smoke, they prefer to stop at home, listen to Radio Dee Dar on player and smoke and drink and feel happy without giving our club the money they need and deserve.
Lets end this now and let everybody have their choice to do what they want within reason.  There will always be people against and for any idea put forward.

Lies. No fan has ever not come to a game because they can't smoke. Pure fantasy.

Don't call me a knob when you are the knob with your views.  I am the one who knows people who don't come.  Its for me to know and for you to think you know.  Give me a reason why you won't go and I am sure as hell going to make it happen.  One last thing 'YOU ARE A KNOBHEAD' of the highest self centred type.  Team news 'YOU ARE NOT IN IT'.

[Filo]

Right! enough is enough, the pair of you! you`ve both made your point, now less of the abuse to each other!

[uptonson]

Thanks Filo.  This bloke really got to me with his opinion that he thinks is the be all and end all of a simple human choice.

[Viking Don]

He didn't call you a knob. That was a smoker advising people not to start smoking.

[drfcsteve]

I think this thread sums up the attitude of some smokers (not all). They think it's their personal choice and sod everyone else. No consideration for their second hand smoke, their dirty fag ends they throw on the floor and the huge burden they place on the NHS.

[NickDRFC]

I'm not a smoker and don't like it. But being anti-smoking for the "huge burden they place on the NHS" is wrong. The tax brought in from smoking far outweighs the cost. If anything, as a country we can't afford to stop smoking.

[drfcsteve]

I'm not a smoker and don't like it. But being anti-smoking for the "huge burden they place on the NHS" is wrong. The tax brought in from smoking far outweighs the cost. If anything, as a country we can't afford to stop smoking.

Wrong. Even taking in to account fag tax we still still pay millions more treating smoking related illnesses. Why do you think the Department of Health run ad campaigns to stop smoking if the Government doesn't want people to?

[Filo]

Thanks Filo.  This bloke really got to me with his opinion that he thinks is the be all and end all of a simple human choice.

You misunderstand, it was also aimed at you, less of the abuse from all sides!

[Chris Black come back]

No smoke without fire.

[jonnydog]

And, while we're on the subject. The most common form of cancers at the moment are testicular cancer and prostate cancer (NOT lung cancer) so keep feeling your balls and make sure your pissing freely chaps !

The more recent statistics say you are more likely to die from excess w**king than smoking!

PS. Don't be a knob, and choose to smoke as it's not clever. I wished I'd never started !!

I would like to emphasise that last comment too even as a smoker . If you're young , think it's clever.........IT'S NOT. Smoking is anti-social does have a knock on effect on your health, ruins your attractiveness to the opposite sex, leaves a nasty smell both on you and others and is bloody expensive.

PS. Don't be a knob, and choose to smoke as it's not clever. I wished I'd never started !!

+1

I've been off them 2 and a half month and never felt better, or been as better off financially. I'm certainly not against those who wish to smoke as that is your choice as it was mine. But there are no positives to doing it whatsoever, and it's a downright bloody awful addiction so what's the point.

Another ex smoker, who suddenly become the best and biggest authority on smoking.  So you gave up, good lad, big deal, go on kill yourself with self pity.
Congratulations to the club for giving its supporters the choice and by the way I know some who don't come because they can't smoke, they don't go to pubs cause they can't smoke, they prefer to stop at home, listen to Radio Dee Dar on player and smoke and drink and feel happy without giving our club the money they need and deserve.
Lets end this now and let everybody have their choice to do what they want within reason.  There will always be people against and for any idea put forward.

If you read my post properly I clearly state I am not against those who smoke, and certainly don't profess to be any kind of authority.

I was simply saying my opinion that there are no real positives to smoking and was agreeing that if i had the choice i would never have started all those years ago. I am a firm believer that everyone can do whatever they choose, which is why I welcomed the smoking bans in pubs etc because even though I smoked, not everyone should suffer any health consequences, let alone like the smell of smoke on their clothes.

It's weird giving up, because when I was a smoker, to me, there was no one worse than an ex-smoker telling you the benefits of stopping, it made me Not want to think about giving up. But now when talking to those who still smoke, even though I've nothing against it or them, I see just how stubborn some (not saying you either) are, and don't want to know anything other than what they want to, possibly because they feel as I did, that they are often treated unfairly.

Two sides of every coin... Isn't life fascinating.

C'est la vie!

[NickDRFC]

I'm not a smoker and don't like it. But being anti-smoking for the "huge burden they place on the NHS" is wrong. The tax brought in from smoking far outweighs the cost. If anything, as a country we can't afford to stop smoking.

Wrong. Even taking in to account fag tax we still still pay millions more treating smoking related illnesses. Why do you think the Department of Health run ad campaigns to stop smoking if the Government doesn't want people to?

Thanks. I did a study on this at university, admittedly it's now 6 years since I graduated and I don't remember the full details but I've had a quick look around.

Admittedly what both these sites offer is fairly anecdotal, but the estimated cost to the NHS was £5bn in 2005-06:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8086142.stm

Whereas tax revenue from the smokers has been more than £9bn for over a decade:

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/

There are other factors that you could cite - loss of productivity from smoking breaks being an example - that would add to the cost to society of smoking; but when you consider purely the cost to the NHS versus excise duties and VAT smoking earns us more than it costs us!

EDIT: There could be any number of reasons why the government will back anti-smoking campaigns - maybe they genuinely care about the health of the nation more than the taxes they bring in, maybe they do it so as to appear to be doing the right thing (South Park did an excellent episode relating to the US's attitude towards war, something about having your cake and eating it too)...

[hoolahoop]

I'm not a smoker and don't like it. But being anti-smoking for the "huge burden they place on the NHS" is wrong. The tax brought in from smoking far outweighs the cost. If anything, as a country we can't afford to stop smoking.

Wrong. Even taking in to account fag tax we still still pay millions more treating smoking related illnesses. Why do you think the Department of Health run ad campaigns to stop smoking if the Government doesn't want people to?

No you're wrong fella the revenue from smokers far far outways any cost to the NHS...........we've already been down this road and I have posted those facts from an NHS document.

[Chris Black come back]

I'm not a smoker and don't like it. But being anti-smoking for the "huge burden they place on the NHS" is wrong. The tax brought in from smoking far outweighs the cost. If anything, as a country we can't afford to stop smoking.

Wrong. Even taking in to account fag tax we still still pay millions more treating smoking related illnesses. Why do you think the Department of Health run ad campaigns to stop smoking if the Government doesn't want people to?

Thanks. I did a study on this at university, admittedly it's now 6 years since I graduated and I don't remember the full details but I've had a quick look around.

Admittedly what both these sites offer is fairly anecdotal, but the estimated cost to the NHS was £5bn in 2005-06:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8086142.stm

Whereas tax revenue from the smokers has been more than £9bn for over a decade:

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/

There are other factors that you could cite - loss of productivity from smoking breaks being an example - that would add to the cost to society of smoking; but when you consider purely the cost to the NHS versus excise duties and VAT smoking earns us more than it costs us!

EDIT: There could be any number of reasons why the government will back anti-smoking campaigns - maybe they genuinely care about the health of the nation more than the taxes they bring in, maybe they do it so as to appear to be doing the right thing (South Park did an excellent episode relating to the US's attitude towards war, something about having your cake and eating it too)...

You have quoted in aid of your argument documents from the Tobacco Manufacturers Alliance.

[River Don]

Let's stop talking about the bog smoking as an either/or in this debate. There should be NO smoking in the toilets at the KMS at any time, full stop. It is not a matter of being unpleasant or anti-social, it is illegal - against the law - not permitted by statute. It couldn't be clearer. Stewards and/or police should patrol each and every toilet and nab anyone who is smoking, issuing them with a fixed penalty notice as the legislation permits.

Right, beyond this, I simply cannot believe that there is a single Rovers fan who does not come to a game because they cannot go without a cancer tube for 90 minutes. We should not as a club be making it easier for the weak-willed/weak-minded to kill themselves and place a burden on the taxpayer through their self-induced death. The idea of a smoking bubble remains a ridiculous waste of money and frankly an embarrassment for our club which is at the heart of the community and purports to be promoting healthy lifestyles amongst supporters.

Let's ban alcohol too!

Allah O Akbar!

[Chris Black come back]

Let's stop talking about the bog smoking as an either/or in this debate. There should be NO smoking in the toilets at the KMS at any time, full stop. It is not a matter of being unpleasant or anti-social, it is illegal - against the law - not permitted by statute. It couldn't be clearer. Stewards and/or police should patrol each and every toilet and nab anyone who is smoking, issuing them with a fixed penalty notice as the legislation permits.

Right, beyond this, I simply cannot believe that there is a single Rovers fan who does not come to a game because they cannot go without a cancer tube for 90 minutes. We should not as a club be making it easier for the weak-willed/weak-minded to kill themselves and place a burden on the taxpayer through their self-induced death. The idea of a smoking bubble remains a ridiculous waste of money and frankly an embarrassment for our club which is at the heart of the community and purports to be promoting healthy lifestyles amongst supporters.

Let's ban alcohol too!

Allah O Akbar!

Nobody has ever died from passive alcohol consumption.

Allahu Akbar!

[River Don]

Let's stop talking about the bog smoking as an either/or in this debate. There should be NO smoking in the toilets at the KMS at any time, full stop. It is not a matter of being unpleasant or anti-social, it is illegal - against the law - not permitted by statute. It couldn't be clearer. Stewards and/or police should patrol each and every toilet and nab anyone who is smoking, issuing them with a fixed penalty notice as the legislation permits.

Right, beyond this, I simply cannot believe that there is a single Rovers fan who does not come to a game because they cannot go without a cancer tube for 90 minutes. We should not as a club be making it easier for the weak-willed/weak-minded to kill themselves and place a burden on the taxpayer through their self-induced death. The idea of a smoking bubble remains a ridiculous waste of money and frankly an embarrassment for our club which is at the heart of the community and purports to be promoting healthy lifestyles amongst supporters.

Let's ban alcohol too!

Allah O Akbar!

Nobody has ever died from passive alcohol consumption.

Allahu Akbar!

Not many non smokers standing outside in the smokers area are there?

[Chris Black come back]

Let's stop talking about the bog smoking as an either/or in this debate. There should be NO smoking in the toilets at the KMS at any time, full stop. It is not a matter of being unpleasant or anti-social, it is illegal - against the law - not permitted by statute. It couldn't be clearer. Stewards and/or police should patrol each and every toilet and nab anyone who is smoking, issuing them with a fixed penalty notice as the legislation permits.

Right, beyond this, I simply cannot believe that there is a single Rovers fan who does not come to a game because they cannot go without a cancer tube for 90 minutes. We should not as a club be making it easier for the weak-willed/weak-minded to kill themselves and place a burden on the taxpayer through their self-induced death. The idea of a smoking bubble remains a ridiculous waste of money and frankly an embarrassment for our club which is at the heart of the community and purports to be promoting healthy lifestyles amongst supporters.

Let's ban alcohol too!

Allah O Akbar!

Nobody has ever died from passive alcohol consumption.

Allahu Akbar!

Not many non smokers standing outside in the smokers area are there?

The weak and feeble of mind have always been protected by society, for their own good.

[silent majority]

Guys,

This thread has drifted completely off topic. Any more and it gets moved.

But I would like to say that I thought the smoking area worked exceptionally well today in the East Stand.

[River Don]

Let's stop talking about the bog smoking as an either/or in this debate. There should be NO smoking in the toilets at the KMS at any time, full stop. It is not a matter of being unpleasant or anti-social, it is illegal - against the law - not permitted by statute. It couldn't be clearer. Stewards and/or police should patrol each and every toilet and nab anyone who is smoking, issuing them with a fixed penalty notice as the legislation permits.

Right, beyond this, I simply cannot believe that there is a single Rovers fan who does not come to a game because they cannot go without a cancer tube for 90 minutes. We should not as a club be making it easier for the weak-willed/weak-minded to kill themselves and place a burden on the taxpayer through their self-induced death. The idea of a smoking bubble remains a ridiculous waste of money and frankly an embarrassment for our club which is at the heart of the community and purports to be promoting healthy lifestyles amongst supporters.

Let's ban alcohol too!

Allah O Akbar!

Nobody has ever died from passive alcohol consumption.

Allahu Akbar!

Not many non smokers standing outside in the smokers area are there?

The weak and feeble of mind have always been protected by society, for their own good.

Lol! Allah O Akbar

[jonnydog]

Let's stop talking about the bog smoking as an either/or in this debate. There should be NO smoking in the toilets at the KMS at any time, full stop. It is not a matter of being unpleasant or anti-social, it is illegal - against the law - not permitted by statute. It couldn't be clearer. Stewards and/or police should patrol each and every toilet and nab anyone who is smoking, issuing them with a fixed penalty notice as the legislation permits.

Right, beyond this, I simply cannot believe that there is a single Rovers fan who does not come to a game because they cannot go without a cancer tube for 90 minutes. We should not as a club be making it easier for the weak-willed/weak-minded to kill themselves and place a burden on the taxpayer through their self-induced death. The idea of a smoking bubble remains a ridiculous waste of money and frankly an embarrassment for our club which is at the heart of the community and purports to be promoting healthy lifestyles amongst supporters.

Let's ban alcohol too!

Allah O Akbar!

Nobody has ever died from passive alcohol consumption.

Allahu Akbar!

... Quite a few have been born through it though

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Yes. Very well received in the West and it was quite funny to see a few people taking their tentative steps down the stairs as if they couldn't quite believe they were actually being allowed out.

Thank you to the club and to those who made it happen. The stewards were very courteous and helpful.

[Red wizard]

Worked well in the west stand as well.

[Red wizard]

Just need someone selling beers outside now.

[RedJ]

Just need someone selling beers outside now.

This isn't a bad idea at all.

Quite popular in the South from what I could see too, in the SE corner anyway.

[benaldo]

CBcb,

Enough is enough, you've made your point umpteen times in the last few weeks. We know you don't like it, we know you would issue every fan with a fine when caught, that I understand, but there's a limit to how many times you can bang that drum.

Translated - "Don't argue with me. I'm in charge here."

Brings to mind the "four legs better than two legs" George Orwell stuff. We're all in it together...........

[Chris Black come back]

CBcb,

Enough is enough, you've made your point umpteen times in the last few weeks. We know you don't like it, we know you would issue every fan with a fine when caught, that I understand, but there's a limit to how many times you can bang that drum.

Translated - "Don't argue with me. I'm in charge here."

Brings to mind the "four legs better than two legs" George Orwell stuff. We're all in it together...........

Some are more equal than others Benny-boy. I know my place.

Oink. Oink.