Lithuanian single mother..

[jucyberry]

How many of you have read this today and thought oh how disgusting blah blah blah?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265341/Theres-chance-leaving-British-benefits-daughter-good-life-Migrant-enjoys-lavish-lifestyle-raking-1-000-month-benefits.html

the only thing is, it seems like it is all a set up and she is an actress, a plant designed specifically to hammer the twin devil .. the unemployed and the 'bloody foreigner'
http://www.castingcallpro.com/uk/view.php?uid=349956

Seems the tabloids and their masters will stop at nothing doesn't it?

[MrFrost]

There is nothing at all to suggest it is a set up.

However it does highlight how out of touch our benefit system is.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It's been deliberately written up as a typical 'scrounger' type piece.

Much is made of the strapline saying "Her handouts total £279 a week and includes housing benefit, child tax credit and child benefit".

Right considering that housing benefit is paid directly to the landlord, and that she lives in Watford, which isn't going to be cheap by any standards...how come it doesn't mention how much of that £279 per week she never sees a penny of herself? Let's see her nett cash before whinging.

[MrFrost]

It's been deliberately written up as a typical 'scrounger' type piece.

Much is made of the strapline saying "Her handouts total £279 a week and includes housing benefit, child tax credit and child benefit".

Right considering that housing benefit is paid directly to the landlord, and that she lives in Watford, which isn't going to be cheap by any standards...how come it doesn't mention how much of that £279 per week she never sees a penny of herself? Let's see her nett cash before whinging.

Housing benefit is no longer paid direct to the landlord as far as i'm aware.

[not on facebook]

Bit Of the same shite as it seems that any Of These
Polish worked that have landed on blightys shores
And took up Jobs.

Are Belive it or not recieving  benafits  payments for any children they have back living in poland.

That is Truely shocking and Its down to rules from brussells

[Glyn_Wigley]

Well it pays the rent anyway, so obviously someone down south will get more 'benefit' than someone up north. It doesn't alter the pathetic amount that you're expected to be able to actually live on. And don't forget that £279 isnt just for her, it's to pay for a child as well. It wouldn't surprise me if Council Tax Benefit (which is something else that you don't get in your hand) is included in that gross figure too.

[Glyn_Wigley]

That is Truely shocking and Its down to rules from brussells

Since when has Brussells had any power over individual country's benefit rules whatsoever?

[BillyStubbsTears]

As I say, I wouldn't trust any two consecutive words in that f***ing rag to both be truthful.

This is the paper that ran that story about how a Bolivian bloke couldn't be deported because they had a cat. Except that that was not the reason, but never mind - it makes good xenophobic headlines.

That is the same disgusting rag that ran headlines about Jewish immigrants bringing in disease to the country during the early 20th century. They openly supported Moseley's anti-Jewish crusades in the 30s and the Mail owner Lord Rothermere wrote an article stating that claims of Nazi atrocities in Germany were just shit-stirring by dangerous lefties. He said, that Nazi atrocities actually, " consist merely of a few isolated acts of violence such as are inevitable among a nation half as big again as ours, but which have been generalized, multiplied and exaggerated to give the impression that Nazi rule is a bloodthirsty tyranny."

In 1938 The Mail wrote in a leader article " The way that stateless Jews from Germany are pouring into this country from every port is becoming an outrage... a problem that the Daily Mail has repeatedly pointed."

Plus ca change eh? Always peddling lies and half truths to whip up xenophobia among the British middle class.

[MrFrost]

Well it pays the rent anyway, so obviously someone down south will get more 'benefit' than someone up north. It doesn't alter the pathetic amount that you're expected to be able to actually live on. And don't forget that £279 isnt just for her, it's to pay for a child as well. It wouldn't surprise me if Council Tax Benefit (which is something else that you don't get in your hand) is included in that gross figure too.

She seems to managing perfectly fine.

[jucyberry]

There are a couple of really good groups on FB one is the' antibedroom natter group' and 'bedroom tax think it's unfair? join us here'..

I have read many interesting facts and figures and very depressing articles over the past few days.. But most of all the fear of ordinary people.,, it is palpable. People are genuinely suffering, yet all rags like the mail and the sun can do is construct lies and print them as a truth.

[BobG]

The historians amongst you will, of course, recognise both the facts of where we, the British come from, and, just who it was that imposed western 'civilisation' on over a quarter of the world. And the consequences of that.

BobG

[Glyn_Wigley]

Well it pays the rent anyway, so obviously someone down south will get more 'benefit' than someone up north. It doesn't alter the pathetic amount that you're expected to be able to actually live on. And don't forget that £279 isnt just for her, it's to pay for a child as well. It wouldn't surprise me if Council Tax Benefit (which is something else that you don't get in your hand) is included in that gross figure too.

She seems to managing perfectly fine.

Only if you swallow that b*llocks without a squeak.

[mjdgreg]

The vast majority of immigrants do not claim benefits. The vast majority work and pay their way and are net contributors to society. I agree that we have had too much immigration over the last 10 years, (blame Labour for that), but due to an ageing population we do need some immigration.

There are not enough young people to pay the ever increasing bill for the growing old population so we need these extra young workers to help to balance the books. We also need to cut back dramatically on a welfare system that is patently unaffordable.

[The Red Baron]

I agree that we have had too much immigration over the last 10 years, (blame Labour for that), but due to an ageing population we do need some immigration.

There are not enough young people to pay the ever increasing bill for the growing old population so we need these extra young workers to help to balance the books. We also need to cut back dramatically on a welfare system that is patently unaffordable.

I'm not sure that's true. Look at how high levels of youth unemployment are- not just under the present lot but also under Labour (even in times when the economy was growing). A lot of the entry-level jobs that used to be done by school leavers are now being done by immigrants. Now I accept that the education system leaves many kids ill-equipped for the demands of the workplace, but it strikes me that over the last 15 or so years we've gone horribly wrong somewhere.

I have to lay the blame squarely at the door of the last government. They ducked welfare reform, had a slogan "Education, Education, Education" that didn't add up to anything and for far too long allowed immigration to proceed unchecked. By the time they tried to slow immigration down, it was too late.

[mjdgreg]

I'm not sure that's true. Look at how high levels of youth unemployment are- not just under the present lot but also under Labour (even in times when the economy was growing). A lot of the entry-level jobs that used to be done by school leavers are now being done by immigrants. Now I accept that the education system leaves many kids ill-equipped for the demands of the workplace, but it strikes me that over the last 15 or so years we've gone horribly wrong somewhere.

I have to lay the blame squarely at the door of the last government. They ducked welfare reform, had a slogan "Education, Education, Education" that didn't add up to anything and for far too long allowed immigration to proceed unchecked. By the time they tried to slow immigration down, it was too late.

It's a fact that unless we have some immigration we are going to be stuffed. There simply won't be enough workers to pay for the retired generation. As time goes on our population is going to get older and older. Controlled immigration is the only realistic solution for the medium term.

[redwine]

In that case we should all get patriotic and shag for England

[BillyStubbsTears]

I agree that we have had too much immigration over the last 10 years, (blame Labour for that), but due to an ageing population we do need some immigration.

There are not enough young people to pay the ever increasing bill for the growing old population so we need these extra young workers to help to balance the books. We also need to cut back dramatically on a welfare system that is patently unaffordable.

I'm not sure that's true. Look at how high levels of youth unemployment are- not just under the present lot but also under Labour (even in times when the economy was growing). A lot of the entry-level jobs that used to be done by school leavers are now being done by immigrants. Now I accept that the education system leaves many kids ill-equipped for the demands of the workplace, but it strikes me that over the last 15 or so years we've gone horribly wrong somewhere.

I have to lay the blame squarely at the door of the last government. They ducked welfare reform, had a slogan "Education, Education, Education" that didn't add up to anything and for far too long allowed immigration to proceed unchecked. By the time they tried to slow immigration down, it was too late.

Easy accusations to throw around TRB, but the facts don't really support them. Up until the Big Crash, our youth unemployment was actually quite low by both historical comparison, and comparison to other European countries.

There are lots of accusations that the problem is supply side - that young kids are simply not equipped to join the work force. The graph below shows that we were not in a terrible position in the mid-2000s. And you'd struggle to find much better figures for other comparable countries not on that graph.

To be honest, I'm sick to the back teeth with people complaining that the problems are supply side. It's patently obvious where the problems are - there is no f***ing demand in the economy. And as ever, it is kids who bear the brunt of the resulting unemployment. The single most sickeningly hypocritical meme in politics over the last 3 years is that we have to have Austerity to save our children's futures.

Bullshit.

Look at that graph and see what has happened to our kids' PRESENT in countries where Austerity has ruled. Ireland, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy and UK. And then think about what the long-term unemployment is going to do to those kids' long-term futures. We, collectively across Europe, are storing up 50 years of problems by our current policies and the ones who will take the shit are the kids at the bottom of the heap.

[mjdgreg]

In that case we should all get patriotic and shag for England

That would be part of the solution. Unless we do, the immigrants will become an ever bigger part of society as they are the ones doing most of the shagging.

[mjdgreg]

Our youth unemployment only looked like it was low because Labour kept many of the young off the dole queue by forcing or encouraging them to stay in education. Be honest, how many of you know graduates that are now stacking shelves in supermarkets or such like? Labour's slogan 'Education, education, education' really makes my piss boil.

[jucyberry]

http://politicsuk.eu/archives/14347

[avfcsam]

I have to lay the blame squarely at the door of the last government. They ducked welfare reform, had a slogan "Education, Education, Education" that didn't add up to anything and for far too long allowed immigration to proceed unchecked. By the time they tried to slow immigration down, it was too late.

Schools are much better resourced than in the 80s and 90s when I went. Massive investment has gone into them. That is a fact. We could argue about how effective that has been in terms of standards etc but the last government certainly put the money where there mouth was.

I don't buy at all that the reason our young people can't get jobs is because the Poles et al have taken them. I don't think that for the most part they are going for the same jobs.