MK Dons vs Rovers

[Bristol Red Rover]

Sounds as if the performance is disgraceful. Just spoke to someone on the phone who is there, clear booing and abuse being hurled at Flynn by the sound of it.

Whilst I worry about Flynns tactics, its only that so far. Hurling abuse at Flynn is sick. Fans like this DO need to get a life, preferably sitting watching Man U on TV

[glosterred]

Chance for Paynter not taken - do I hear him getting castigated - no I don't

COYR

[ScillyRover]

We were always running a real risk of coming unstuck at some stage with such a thin squad.

[RoversAlias]

We were always running a real risk of coming unstuck at some stage with such a thin squad.

But most squads in this league contain only about 20 players? I really don't think it's the size of the squad that is the problem.

[Viking Don]

Chance for Paynter not taken - do I hear him getting castigated - no I don't

COYR

Maybe it was down to their defender not making an error LOL

[Bristol Red Rover]

Chance for Paynter not taken - do I hear him getting castigated - no I don't

Its easier to clearly say a keepers at fault. Midfield obviously poor, but the rest of the squad doesn't seem to have earned their money tonight and can more easily blame other things than Woods can.

I do hate the Franchise 

[glosterred]

3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?

COYR

 

What error?

You have noticed the numerous posts in this thread castigating Harper? It aint just Woods who gets the stick, he's just getting some for poor handling (again).

There error in not preventing the shot in the first place

COYR

Is that an error? You aint gonna prevent a side from shooting, it's football. Maybe they could have closed him down but as I'm not there I can't say anyone has made a glaring mistake (unlike the keeper error).

Yes it is an error for not defending correctly, Woods had no chance with the shot, the defenders should have closed down the striker

COYR

 

[IDM]

To me, disgrace means things like spitting at an opponent or a sending off through stupidity, not a poor performance nor mistakes.  If the team isn't good enough, manager or individual players on this occasion, so be it, disappinting and we know we can all do better.  That's why I say folks are over reacting.  You'd think Woods had murdered someone, and Harper even before a ball had been kicked...

[RedJ]

Cotts got booked didn't he?

I think that's his 10th.

[Viking Don]

3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?

COYR

 

What error?

You have noticed the numerous posts in this thread castigating Harper? It aint just Woods who gets the stick, he's just getting some for poor handling (again).

There error in not preventing the shot in the first place

COYR

Is that an error? You aint gonna prevent a side from shooting, it's football. Maybe they could have closed him down but as I'm not there I can't say anyone has made a glaring mistake (unlike the keeper error).

Yes it is an error for not defending correctly, Woods had no chance with the shot, the defenders should have closed down the striker

COYR

 

So strikers should never be able to shoot, if they do it's the fault of the defence.

Jeez, what a boring game football would be if defenders were super human and prevented every shot. That's not the reality, fortunately. I might have to google this but I think that's why we have a player dedicated to keeping goal.

[MachoMadness]

In other news, Keane vs Southgate providing great entertainment on ITV.

[RoversAlias]

I wanted Keano to lamp him then

[glosterred]

3-0 Woods not happy with his defenders - I wait to see if they are castigated for there error?

COYR

 

What error?

You have noticed the numerous posts in this thread castigating Harper? It aint just Woods who gets the stick, he's just getting some for poor handling (again).

There error in not preventing the shot in the first place

COYR

Is that an error? You aint gonna prevent a side from shooting, it's football. Maybe they could have closed him down but as I'm not there I can't say anyone has made a glaring mistake (unlike the keeper error).

Yes it is an error for not defending correctly, Woods had no chance with the shot, the defenders should have closed down the striker

COYR

 

So strikers should never be able to shoot, if they do it's the fault of the defence.

Jeez, what a boring game football would be if defenders were super human and prevented every shot. That's not the reality, fortunately.

Thats not what I am say and you know it - I am saying that the defenders (Doncaster Rovers defenders) should have done there job better and closed him down to stop him shooting. If they don't it is there error not anyone else

COYR

[RedJ]

I wanted Keano to lamp him then

What happened? was busy putting my right peg through t'mutt

[bobjimwilly]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21583980

1 shot on target all night? 

[Viking Don]

Sorry Glos but are you saying they should have just prevented THAT particular shot? How on earth would they know which shot to prevent - you are surely saying they should prevent every shot - they can't pick and choose.

[MachoMadness]

I wanted Keano to lamp him then

What happened? was busy putting my right peg through t'mutt

A disagreement over Nani's red card in the Manure v Madrid game. Keane surprisingly thought it was a red card, then started laying into Nani for his diving reputation while Southgate was arguing there was no intent. Worth catching on +1, I can't do it justice!

[RedJ]

I wanted Keano to lamp him then

What happened? was busy putting my right peg through t'mutt

A disagreement over Nani's red card in the Manure v Madrid game. Keane surprisingly thought it was a red card, then started laying into Nani for his diving reputation while Southgate was arguing there was no intent. Worth catching on +1, I can't do it justice!

Sounds classic. Must catch this.

[MachoMadness]

Best football-related thing to come out of tonight, sadly!

[donnybel]

My thoughts on tonight.  Sounds like we were rubbish but, the spine of our midfield is injured, others are playing with knocks, some aren't fit, a few are rubbish and we've no spare players. The squad is paper thin and some of our players are knackered.  Sounds like MK were on top form and they've got their tactics correct from playing us a few weeks ago, oh and we lost our captain.  You can't blame Flynn for any of that, we just have to hope we get some players in for the weekend.  No point slagging players or the manager off.

[glosterred]

Sorry Glos but are you saying they should have just prevented THAT particular shot? How on earth would they know which shot to prevent - you are surely saying they should prevent every shot - they can't pick and choose.

Like you, listening to the commentary, they did not close that particular shot down as they should have done, you're right they are not going to stop every shot and I don't expect them to - but if we are going to blame people for their mistakes on this forum then the defenders tonight must take their share of the blame and particularly for that goal - along with Gary Woods, the midfield and the strikers not just the 2(Woods and Harper) who have taken more than their fair share of the blame for tonights performance. We should also not forget Flynn, as the manager, he picks the team, decides how they are going to play and he should also take his share as well.

COYR

[DonnyOsmond]

We had a 8/10 performance on Saturday against a team that allowed us to play and the teams got over confident from words like "Excellent" being banded around. MK would have been up for the game as well, seeing as they were playing top of the league. Flynn also made some bad choices tonight.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Keane was a superb player but as a man he is a bell end. He has some serious personality issues buried in his life. He would cause an argument in a room full of lobotomised single cell amoeba after a session on Ketamine.

To argue that Nani's tackle was dangerous play because he should consider the fact that there are 21 other players on the pitch is f**king ridiculous. If you argue that, you argue that EVERY time a player's foot goes more than 2 foot off the ground, he should be sent off. Because he may, potentially, unwittingly make contact with a player out of his field if vision.

I hate Man U with every football-supporting nerve in my body. The ones that are left hate the whole f**king Champions League charade. But tonight's game was a big spectacle. And the ref f**ked it up big style. Bad, bad, bad decision.

Rovers eh? f**king ell.

Move on lads. Bad night for us. Still in box seat and if we did it the easy way, it'd be f**king boring, like in 2003/04

[Viking Don]

I will blame individuals when I see the highlights if anyone was seriously at fault. I'm only giving Woods a bit of stick as that error seems clear cut, once again very poor handling, which is OK once in a while but it's happening far too frequently to be comfortable with. He's obviously struggling more than most with his form so if we're serious about wanting autopromo then it's time to give him a rest and bring in someone on loan.

PS I agree with BST about Nani, awful decision, he wasn't even looking at the RM player and only caught him at waist height, stinks of bent ref to me.

[glosterred]

I will blame individuals when I see the highlights if anyone was seriously at fault. I'm only giving Woods a bit of stick as that error seems clear cut, once again very poor handling, which is OK once in a while but it's happening far too frequently to be comfortable with. He's obviously struggling more than most with his form so if we're serious about wanting autopromo then it's time to give him a rest and bring in someone on loan.

Why is Gary Woods error any more clear cut than the defenders error for not closing down Gleeson for the shot, if you can blame Gary Woods for his handling error having only listened to the commentary same as me - then you should be able to blame the defenders for that goal and Billy Paynter for the miss at the end

COYR

[BillyStubbsTears]

Glosterred

A goalkeeper who regularly fumbles straightforward shots is NOT equivalent to a defender who doesn't close down. Closing down is something that can be affected by the striker's ability to switch feet or pace or direction. So a defender can look poor even though he has done a decent, professional job of trying to "close down".

When your keeper fumbles straightforward efforts on a regular basis, it's the equivalent of a defender who passes a simple ball straight to an opposition forward. Every other week. Or one who regularly misses simple, unchallenged headers in the box.

I've really tried with Woods, but he's taking at least 0.99 steps backwards for every one forwards. He's never shown anything to suggest that he is a big asset to the team, in terms if regularly putting in performances that give an air of confidence. And, at THE most crucial stage of the season, he's suddenly turned into Jack Douglas. (ask yer Dads)

O'Driscoll's biggest mistake was leaving us without a centre half or goalkeeper better than Div4 standard. And Saunders/Flynn's biggest mistake has been to ignore the goalkeeper issue.

[Viking Don]

I will blame individuals when I see the highlights if anyone was seriously at fault. I'm only giving Woods a bit of stick as that error seems clear cut, once again very poor handling, which is OK once in a while but it's happening far too frequently to be comfortable with. He's obviously struggling more than most with his form so if we're serious about wanting autopromo then it's time to give him a rest and bring in someone on loan.

Why is Gary Woods error any more clear cut than the defenders error for not closing down Gleeson for the shot, if you can blame Gary Woods for his handling error having only listened to the commentary same as me - then you should be able to blame the defenders for that goal and Billy Paynter for the miss at the end

COYR

Because everyone has said Woods should have handled it better and noone has yet said who exactly should have closed down their attacker. Am I supposed to blame the entire defence for what can only be the fault of one defender (even if anyone was at fault and it wasn't just a good goal)? I aint about to tar everyone with the same brush Glos, sorry, maybe 3 of the 4 made no mistakes tonight, I have no idea so why would I start having a go at anyone?

[glosterred]

And you're all missing the point - the point is it is a team game and to blame one maybe two players is wrong, they all have to accept the collective responsiblilty for defeat.

Keepers who drop the ball
Defenders who do not defend
Midfielders who do not defend or create opportunities
Strikers for not scoring

A collective responsiblity - not just one persons responsibility

COYR