Thanks Ref!

[Bentley Bullet]

It's not often we can thank the officials for turning a game in Rovers favour, but we can today. Outrageous decisions, along with  the obnoxious Joey Barton, caused Richie Wellens to be so wound up that he in turn wound up the rest of the team, and drove them to get the winner.

I'm sure that we'd have settled for a draw normally.   

[glosterred]

Richie was awesome today absolutely awesome

COYR

[ravenrover]

Please tell me what Joseph did that was obnoxious today?

[belton rover]

Did you see his f**king hair?

[Bentley Bullet]

Please tell me what Joseph did that was obnoxious today?

Social life eh, who'd have one....especially when celebrating your teams David versus Goliath victory!

 Now seeing as you said please ravenrover I'll stop up and reply to you.

Although I never actually said Barton was obnoxious today obviously Richie Wellens thought he was. Now some might say that our Richie can be a bit of a kitson himself, but I say he's OUR kitson so I stand by him.

I bet the Yorkshire ripper never killed anyone today, but he's still an obnoxious kitson.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here's one about the ref. An issue that stuck out like a sore thumb.

70 mins or so, we had a goal kick. There'd been a stoppage (maybe when Austin went off to have his stubble moisturised). The ref then pointedly went up to Turnbull and told him not to waste time.

Now, at that point, Turnbull was not wasting time. The ref hadn't signalled to him to restart the game after the stoppage. Also, Turnbull had not been wasting time before that. Not as far as I could see anyway. And why would he? We were the better side and the one looking best placed to win the game.

Yet the ref decided that he had to warn Turnbull about timewasting. And he never thought to issue a similar warning to Green.

Interesting, that. To me, it seems clear that the ref had decided that Donny were the ones who were likely to want to play for a draw, and to waste time. There was no evidence of that happening, but the ref assumed it would.

A minor point, but indicative of how Big Club Syndrome affects the officials, even perhaps in a sub-conscious way.

[Donnywolf]

...and when he did finally Yellow Card Turnbull he did it for appearing to walk back from where the Free Kick was to be taken and then "spin" the Ball forwards again

The Ref had obviously NOT noticed that what RT does for every kick and thought he was killing time by walking further back. Tosser (the Ref that is)

[Filo]

Here's one about the ref. An issue that stuck out like a sore thumb.

70 mins or so, we had a goal kick. There'd been a stoppage (maybe when Austin went off to have his stubble moisturised). The ref then pointedly went up to Turnbull and told him not to waste time.

Now, at that point, Turnbull was not wasting time. The ref hadn't signalled to him to restart the game after the stoppage. Also, Turnbull had not been wasting time before that. Not as far as I could see anyway. And why would he? We were the better side and the one looking best placed to win the game.

Yet the ref decided that he had to warn Turnbull about timewasting. And he never thought to issue a similar warning to Green.

Interesting, that. To me, it seems clear that the ref had decided that Donny were the ones who were likely to want to play for a draw, and to waste time. There was no evidence of that happening, but the ref assumed it would.

A minor point, but indicative of how Big Club Syndrome affects the officials, even perhaps in a sub-conscious way.

That's exactly how I saw it, you can just imagine what the ref was saying to Turnbull.......


" come on Ross, this is QPR, we'll be here all night if you don't hurry up they've got to get the winner yet"

[IDM]

I have to disagree BST I thought Turnbull was sailing close to the wind all game with time wasting.  We were never in any hurry with goal kicks etc and I wasn't surprised he got a yellow for collective behaviour.

I did think the ref was very inconsistent.  Wellens got a yellow for his 50 50 with Barton, yet Barton got nowt for all his antics.  Also there were some challenges from their lot that warranted yellows but were not given.  Anyone notice the foul on the half time whistle?

[idler]

I thought that he had blown up for the foul, a definite yellow for me.
He took the easy option. We are always going to struggle against the so called bigger teams, it just happens.
The incident with the first half throw in summed it up, the Lino didn't have a clue, neither did the ref so we'll give it to the bigger club.
We still won in the end though.

[BillyStubbsTears]

IDM

We will have to disagree, because I had seen nothing remotely close to time wasting by Turnbull. Sure, he hasn't been busting a gut to retrieve the ball and restart, but if the QPR players were consistently unable to keep the ball on the pitch, why on earth should a keeper sprint to retrieve it? That's not time wasting.

I'll give you another inconsistency. After QPR scored, I counted 30 seconds from the Rocers having the ball on the centre spot to all the QPR players being back in their own half ready for the restart. The ref said not a word to any of them. Not one word.

Yet when the Rovers players celebrated by the SW corner after Quinn's goal, he was immediately there shepherding them back to the halfway line.

Why?

30 seconds wasted in celebration and deliberately slow walking back is 30 seconds lost, be it in the 43rd or 90th minute.

[Donnywolf]

I thought that he had blown up for the foul, a definite yellow for me. (Me too)
He took the easy option. We are always going to struggle against the so called bigger teams, it just happens.
The incident with the first half throw in summed it up, the Lino didn't have a clue, neither did the ref so we'll give it to the bigger club. (I thought the default action in such a scenario is to favour the defending Team ... but as you say these officials defaulted to the "BIG Team")

We still won in the end though. (Yes we did - brilliant way to get our own back !)

[RTID75]

Exact definition of time wasting aside,  Turnbull was warned several times, so it was no real surprise to see the yellow in the end.

[BillyStubbsTears]

RTID

I'm not talking about the eventual yellow card. I'm talking about the fact that the ref went out if his way to warn Turnbull about time wasting when there had been little if any time wasting at that time. A time when we were increasingly getting on top.

[RedJ]

Did we actually have any added time for the first half yesterday? I never noticed the board going up or the usual announcement and we seemed to stop seconds after the clock hit 45.

[Bentley Bullet]

Did we actually have any added time for the first half yesterday? I never noticed the board going up or the usual announcement and we seemed to stop seconds after the clock hit 45.

Neither did I. Maybe the ref couldn't wait to have a drink and a chat with his mates in the away dressing room!

[IDM]

1 minute...

[BigH]

More like he was sh**ing himself about possibly bumping into Joe Jordan and having to explain his actions.

[ravenrover]

Perhaps it was the 4 minutes of added time that actually ended up as 6, anything to do with QPR putting us under a bit of pressure from the 2/3 corners they had in the added time?

[IDM]

IDM

We will have to disagree, because I had seen nothing remotely close to time wasting by Turnbull. Sure, he hasn't been busting a gut to retrieve the ball and restart, but if the QPR players were consistently unable to keep the ball on the pitch, why on earth should a keeper sprint to retrieve it? That's not time wasting.

I'll give you another inconsistency. After QPR scored, I counted 30 seconds from the Rocers having the ball on the centre spot to all the QPR players being back in their own half ready for the restart. The ref said not a word to any of them. Not one word.

Yet when the Rovers players celebrated by the SW corner after Quinn's goal, he was immediately there shepherding them back to the halfway line.

Why?

30 seconds wasted in celebration and deliberately slow walking back is 30 seconds lost, be it in the 43rd or 90th minute.

Fair enough, we saw it differently, that's ok   I thought Turnbull was playing a dangerous game all match IMHO.

As for time wasting after scoring, as far as I understand, 30 seconds are added for each goal scored, and for each substitution, to the added on time at the end of the game. 

[BillyStubbsTears]

IDM

You're right about the added time for goals. The point is, why hurry one team along to facilitate a quick restart and not do the same for the other one? Unless you sub-consciously think that only one of the sides really needs to engage in time wasting? Whilst the other one is so strong that it has no need to do so?

Me, I can't think of any alternative explanation.  And it's one that fits with the ref's decision to pre-emptively warn Turnbull.

[hoolahoop]

IDM

You're right about the added time for goals. The point is, why hurry one team along to facilitate a quick restart and not do the same for the other one? Unless you sub-consciously think that only one of the sides really needs to engage in time wasting? Whilst the other one is so strong that it has no need to do so?

Me, I can't think of any alternative explanation.  And it's one that fits with the ref's decision to pre-emptively warn Turnbull.

Billy I couldn't agree more with your observations. I wasn't at the game but dissecting arguments and counter arguments it is clear that this referee was a 'big team' referee.

[Dagenham Rover]

IDM

You're right about the added time for goals. The point is, why hurry one team along to facilitate a quick restart and not do the same for the other one? Unless you sub-consciously think that only one of the sides really needs to engage in time wasting? Whilst the other one is so strong that it has no need to do so?

Me, I can't think of any alternative explanation.  And it's one that fits with the ref's decision to pre-emptively warn Turnbull.

Billy I couldn't agree more with your observations. I wasn't at the game but dissecting arguments and counter arguments it is clear that this referee was a 'big team' referee.

C'mon Hoola they all are 

[IDM]

If only for some refs consistency BST!  That's what annoys me most..

[Al4475]

I didn't see the fourth official put his board up in the first half so couldn't announce how amny extra mins there were. So if I missed it then that's bad play on my behalf.

As an aside and for anyone who's interested (probably not many granted) did you know that the names of goalscorers, amounts of mins added and substitutes are never relayed to me - sometimes it's really tough to 'guess' the goalscorer - I have to make those calls myself, watch the game, support my team and keep my eye on everything else and make the announcements too! LOL