Bongs

[StocksArmy]

I have not tried to backtrack at all I have tried to argue my case to every post whether it be about a certain player, championship experience or the squads ability. I have been trying to work and post on here as i was getting it from all angles and didnt want to look like i was hiding away by not replying and If it looks like I've tried to back track or "move the goalposts" I do apologise. To sum up what I was trying to say when questioned and it is only my opinion.
A) I may have been hasty by saying none of our squad are proven in the championship however there's only a few that have been away and cut it at the same or a higher level.
B) The only players I believe have the talent to play at this standard are Husband, Duffy, Forrester, Turnbull and maybe Wellens
 C) As my very first post shows I do not rate Khumalo at all.
As for digging holes I will not shy away from admitting I am wrong and as every poster on here I am well within my rights to give my opinion.

[IDM]

Fair enough StocksArmy, we may have to disagree but so be it...

[Lesonthewest]

To be fair there is a difference between 'good enough' & 'good for us'.

Brown in a Preston team that were relegated.

Where have I said he hasn't been good for us?

You think Brown hasn't been good enough for us this season?  Is there a more hardworking player in our current team?  Forget the argument that he may not have scored enough goals, he's still top scorer.

How about here:

So that means they are all proven then? Ok.  Wellens a few years ago, Sharp, Coppinger, Meite, Tomas, Quinn, Brown and Turnbull are the only ones that have played more than a hand full of games doesn't mean they are all good enough.

[Lesonthewest]

To be fair you cannot disprove an opinion & I didn't read any flippant remark, in my opinion of course.

Brown in a Preston team that were relegated.

Billy Jones played in that team and is now a Premiership player. As did Sean St Ledger - is he not good enough for this league? I'm not sure what your point is.

Not to mention Brown was in their team the previous three years when they finished mid-table.

And in those years he was at Preston how many appearances did he make? My argument is that if you put every one of our players on the transfer list I very much doubt we would see many of them play Championship football next season. If you disagree then we will agree to disagree but we will see. I've always liked Browny I think he's a great footballer I just wish he would convert more of his chances. Still not championship standard in my opinion.

Well that's moving the goalposts a bit isn't it...

In what way?

Well first it was Championship experience, now it's "would most get into other Championship sides".

I didn't start the discussion on experience I just replied to a post.

It started with a flippant throwaway remark by yourself that none of our squad were proven Championship posters.
Several posters since have disproved your opinions by giving you facts on our squads experience in the Championship and even Premiership.
Since then, you have been constantly backtracking and frantically trying to dig yourself out of a hole by moving the goalposts and trying to change the context of what you were saying.
It's no big thing to just admit you posted a silly remark with no substance, you know 🙉

[Lesonthewest]

Don't apologise for anything Stocksarmy, if other posters don't like it then that's their problem, for what it's worth I think Kumalo has been steady all season for what we can afford, Brown is excellent for us, & Duffy on his day is good enough for this league, but lacks consistency.
I have not tried to backtrack at all I have tried to argue my case to every post whether it be about a certain player, championship experience or the squads ability. I have been trying to work and post on here as i was getting it from all angles and didnt want to look like i was hiding away by not replying and If it looks like I've tried to back track or "move the goalposts" I do apologise. To sum up what I was trying to say when questioned and it is only my opinion.
A) I may have been hasty by saying none of our squad are proven in the championship however there's only a few that have been away and cut it at the same or a higher level.
B) The only players I believe have the talent to play at this standard are Husband, Duffy, Forrester, Turnbull and maybe Wellens
 C) As my very first post shows I do not rate Khumalo at all.
As for digging holes I will not shy away from admitting I am wrong and as every poster on here I am well within my rights to give my opinion.

[roversam]

Anybody who doesn't rate Khumalo knows nowt about football imo.

[StocksArmy]

Anybody who doesn't rate Khumalo knows nowt about football imo.

Grow up.

[StocksArmy]

Don't apologise for anything Stocksarmy, if other posters don't like it then that's their problem, for what it's worth I think Kumalo has been steady all season for what we can afford, Brown is excellent for us, & Duffy on his day is good enough for this league, but lacks consistency.
I have not tried to backtrack at all I have tried to argue my case to every post whether it be about a certain player, championship experience or the squads ability. I have been trying to work and post on here as i was getting it from all angles and didnt want to look like i was hiding away by not replying and If it looks like I've tried to back track or "move the goalposts" I do apologise. To sum up what I was trying to say when questioned and it is only my opinion.
A) I may have been hasty by saying none of our squad are proven in the championship however there's only a few that have been away and cut it at the same or a higher level.
B) The only players I believe have the talent to play at this standard are Husband, Duffy, Forrester, Turnbull and maybe Wellens
 C) As my very first post shows I do not rate Khumalo at all.
As for digging holes I will not shy away from admitting I am wrong and as every poster on here I am well within my rights to give my opinion.

I won't apologise ever for voicing my opinion. As I've said on a previous post I've played and watched footie for too many years for people on here to tell me otherwise.

[roversam]

Who you telling to grow up numpty.

[Bald Rover]

Why does every post turn into a slanging match!!

How do I delete?

[StocksArmy]

Who you telling to grow up numpty.

You!

[roversam]

Sorry mate, shouldn't have called you a numpty, I blame the amber nectar.

[StocksArmy]

No worries. I thought we were all on the same team! 

[RedRover45]

To be fair you cannot disprove an opinion & I didn't read any flippant remark, in my opinion of course.

Brown in a Preston team that were relegated.

Billy Jones played in that team and is now a Premiership player. As did Sean St Ledger - is he not good enough for this league? I'm not sure what your point is.

Not to mention Brown was in their team the previous three years when they finished mid-table.

And in those years he was at Preston how many appearances did he make? My argument is that if you put every one of our players on the transfer list I very much doubt we would see many of them play Championship football next season. If you disagree then we will agree to disagree but we will see. I've always liked Browny I think he's a great footballer I just wish he would convert more of his chances. Still not championship standard in my opinion.

Well that's moving the goalposts a bit isn't it...

In what way?

Well first it was Championship experience, now it's "would most get into other Championship sides".

I didn't start the discussion on experience I just replied to a post.

It started with a flippant throwaway remark by yourself that none of our squad were proven Championship posters.
Several posters since have disproved your opinions by giving you facts on our squads experience in the Championship and even Premiership.
Since then, you have been constantly backtracking and frantically trying to dig yourself out of a hole by moving the goalposts and trying to change the context of what you were saying.
It's no big thing to just admit you posted a silly remark with no substance, you know 🙉

That's ridiculous. Of course you can disprove an opinion. Have you read the full thread Les ?

StocksArmy said that he didnt rate Khumalo. I have no problem with that, although I might disagree, it is a subjective opinion and he has a right to say that.
However, he followed up by saying that none of our squad had proven experience in the Championship. Now this opinion can and has been factually proved incorrect by several posters, and even admitted by StocksArmy he was hasty, so yes of course an 'opinion' can be disproved. Jeez !

[Northants Nomad]

Why does every post turn into a slanging match!!

How do I delete?

Amen to that. A thread about Bongs injury has descended into arguments about Brown and how we are generally going to die in a ball of fire/get relegated from the Championship. I despair of this forum. Any thread over a page and a half is usually not worth reading. All points worth raising have usually been done by then and it then turns to people arguing. When it hit's 3 pages, the "major argument" klaxon should be sounding in everyone's heads. At 4 pages, the forum software should automatically lock the thread and delete the latest 10 posts.

[graingrover]

I agree Wilts and feel the forum has never been poorer than at this time and I am taking a sabbatical until such time as all the negative miserable posters have left or shunted onto a separate playground on the site.   

[BigColSutherland]

But graingrover, if you're not on here, who is going to grumble about the grumbling and label people 'wimps'. There's some big shoes to fill.

[Dare to dream!]

Bongs has been good for us, not as good recently but up there in the top 5 players this season.

Anyone know when his contract at Spurs finishes?

[donnygav93]

Bongs has been good for us, not as good recently but up there in the top 5 players this season.

Anyone know when his contract at Spurs finishes?

I think his contract is up at the end of next season if he can get back id be interested in getting him back after January and offering him something when we secure safety for the second successive season

[Lesonthewest]

Yes I have read the thread. You can prove a statement to be wrong of course you can, but his opinion is his opinion, rightly or wrongly, that cannot be disproved.

To be fair you cannot disprove an opinion & I didn't read any flippant remark, in my opinion of course.

Brown in a Preston team that were relegated.

Billy Jones played in that team and is now a Premiership player. As did Sean St Ledger - is he not good enough for this league? I'm not sure what your point is.

Not to mention Brown was in their team the previous three years when they finished mid-table.

And in those years he was at Preston how many appearances did he make? My argument is that if you put every one of our players on the transfer list I very much doubt we would see many of them play Championship football next season. If you disagree then we will agree to disagree but we will see. I've always liked Browny I think he's a great footballer I just wish he would convert more of his chances. Still not championship standard in my opinion.

Well that's moving the goalposts a bit isn't it...

In what way?

Well first it was Championship experience, now it's "would most get into other Championship sides".

I didn't start the discussion on experience I just replied to a post.

It started with a flippant throwaway remark by yourself that none of our squad were proven Championship posters.
Several posters since have disproved your opinions by giving you facts on our squads experience in the Championship and even Premiership.
Since then, you have been constantly backtracking and frantically trying to dig yourself out of a hole by moving the goalposts and trying to change the context of what you were saying.
It's no big thing to just admit you posted a silly remark with no substance, you know 🙉

That's ridiculous. Of course you can disprove an opinion. Have you read the full thread Les ?

StocksArmy said that he didnt rate Khumalo. I have no problem with that, although I might disagree, it is a subjective opinion and he has a right to say that.
However, he followed up by saying that none of our squad had proven experience in the Championship. Now this opinion can and has been factually proved incorrect by several posters, and even admitted by StocksArmy he was hasty, so yes of course an 'opinion' can be disproved. Jeez !

[Sammy Chung was King]

Khumalo has as an earlier poster said,been one of our top four performers over the season,he has been on the whole consistent,he does have similarities to Shelton Martis,in that his concentration can waver,here and there,i think him and Meite have complimented each other in a decent partnership,i've wanted to have a look at the Meite/Tamas partnership that flourished at West Brom,it could be in better circumstances,but now we have a chance,if the club are going to sign a defender,try get one that can play right back as well,they've played together before,so there should be a bit of an understanding there.

Upto now the team has proven itself 'Championship quality' as a whole,because we are above the relegation zone,individually i don't think we'd have a queue of clubs wanting the majority of our players,but in the team that's been built,they all have an important role to play,i actually think it could make us more solid centrally,what we will miss is Khumalo's pace compared to Tamas,but Tamas is a wiley character and doesn't often get caught out of position,Khumalo tends to take more chances because he's confident of being able to recover positions,with Meite and Tamas you will get a lot of deep defending,but the nous between them,more than makes up for lacking pace,upto now the team is achieving what it set out to do,to stay up in this league,if we do,then we can add a few more,cherry pick the best players from the relegated teams,we will be okay with those two in there,Good luck to Bongani he can't be faulted for the effort and ability he's put in,quick healing

[Iberian Red]

But graingrover, if you're not on here, who is going to grumble about the grumbling and label people 'wimps'. There's some big shoes to fill.

Or flip-flops Jimboy