lets find something positive out of all of this

[The Red Baron]

I don't think one has to hanker for the "good old days" in order to have serious concerns about whether Ryan and Tomlinson can afford to fund the club (and its losses) going forward.

I for one am glad we've moved on from OBV to a modern stadium and that we've had the last dozen or so years on the roller-coaster. I am concerned that a time of relative financial stability may be coming to an end and I WILL be sorry if that is consigned to the history books.

[BigH]

TRB, I take your point and I can't disagree. There is a background structure to this transaction that we are not privy to and probably never will be. All we are getting at the moment is the promotional fluff of a tween heartthrob buying into his favourite footy club. 

However, to go back to the OP, we know JR is a massive fan and I for one respect his commercial savvy. Having him back in charge does see a 'football man' and proper fan back at the helm. We know that TB and DW for all the good they did - and they did a lot - were owners of limited ambition who were perhaps a tad overinclined to let their heads rule their heart; not a criticism btw.

So, while I too cringe at the prospect of a thousand ten year old girls screaming for Louis at a few of our home games, I'm a little bit excited at having JR back in charge and watching and waiting to see the extent of his master plan. A case of one step backwards (losing the KM 2) to go two steps forward?

[The Red Baron]

However, to go back to the OP, we know JR is a massive fan and I for one respect his commercial savvy. Having him back in charge does see a 'football man' and proper fan back at the helm. We know that TB and DW for all the good they did - and they did a lot - were owners of limited ambition who were perhaps a tad overinclined to let their heads rule their heart; not a criticism btw.

I think that's a fair comment. Things worked much better when JR and the KM2 worked in harmony. They acted as a brake on some of his wilder ideas. We shouldn't forget though that they provided a very substantial financial input over the years and I think that will be hard to replace, even if we do have JR's enthusiasm back in the boardroom.

[Wellred]

Hang on a minute. Didn't you all agree that TB and DW would only sell if it was in the best interest of the club and would ensure a good solid future for DRFC?
What has changed all your minds?

[Alickismyhero]

Perfectly right Wred have you got the tee shirt yet?

 I have said all along this donation thing cannot be allowed to fail. How important is this money? are there other income streams coming on tap?

All we have had is the media hype but to judge the new regime fairly we need more information.

There is probably a news bulletin coming soon naming the mysterious celebs could they be the next cash income stream? Then there is Ryan's very rich business mate sitting in the side wings!

Obviously the first sign that the new regime have got it right is when we start getting good players in and stop losing good players. The second sign is getting auto promotion.

If we don't get promotion, we have a good season and finish with no debt I am happy with that.

At this point Wred we can only assume that Bramall got a good deal for the club until we find out the finer detail.

[Wellred]

Perfectly right Wred have you got the tee shirt yet?

 I have said all along this donation thing cannot be allowed to fail. How important is this money? are there other income streams coming on tap?

All we have had is the media hype but to judge the new regime fairly we need more information.

There is probably a news bulletin coming soon naming the mysterious celebs could they be the next cash income stream? Then there is Ryan's very rich business mate sitting in the side wings!

Obviously the first sign that the new regime have got it right is when we start getting good players in and stop losing good players. The second sign is getting auto promotion.

If we don't get promotion, we have a good season and finish with no debt I am happy with that.

At this point Wred we can only assume that Bramall got a good deal for the club until we find out the finer detail.

So on the basis that Bramall got a good deal for the club why are all the luvvies still whingeing on?

[Alickismyhero]

You are being a very silly boy Wred and you know it.

As a club we have been sailed down the road before and people are just very concerned it doesn't happen again. The new regime has got to convince the doubters they do have the resources to achieve their aim. We just don't know what we are walking in to. In football once the wins start coming the doubt will recede.

As far as I am concerned Tommo is great for the club. The trust is a fascinating development but what is the overall plan?  nobody knows yet just like the incredibly stupid SC TO.


Thats why people are concerned and the new regime will be well advised to solve that problem.

[Wellred]

You are being a very silly boy Wred and you know it.

As a club we have been sailed down the road before and people are just very concerned it doesn't happen again. The new regime has got to convince the doubters they do have the resources to achieve their aim. We just don't know what we are walking in to. In football once the wins start coming the doubt will recede.

As far as I am concerned Tommo is great for the club. The trust is a fascinating development but what is the overall plan?  nobody knows yet just like the incredibly stupid SC TO.


Thats why people are concerned and the new regime will be well advised to solve that problem.

You haven't answered my question.

We have been hearing for weeks that Terry Brammall will not sell his shares unless it is in the best interest in the future of Doncaster Rovers Football Club.

On the basis that he has done such a thing why do you now believe him?
You have been very much a TB fan. What has changed?

[bobjimwilly]

Considering previous offers that were made by "you know who", and subsequently turned down by the KM2, I don't think they accepted any where near that figure from JR and LT, which would mean they didn't get a good deal.

When will people accept that the previous owners, as with JR, aren't "in it for the money"?

We all know that DW has been very ill - if it was in his interest to sell to improve his health, that might be one reason why TB decided to sell.

In other posts Wellred you've talked about moving on and everyone should look forwards? Make your mind up.

[Wellred]

Considering previous offers that were made by "you know who", and subsequently turned down by the KM2, I don't think they accepted any where near that figure from JR and LT, which would mean they didn't get a good deal.

When will people accept that the previous owners, as with JR, aren't "in it for the money"?

We all know that DW has been very ill - if it was in his interest to sell to improve his health, that might be one reason why TB decided to sell.

In other posts Wellred you've talked about moving on and everyone should look forwards? Make your mind up.

You are totally missing my point.

I am in no way having a go at the previous regime. What I don't get is the way some posters can change their argument to continue to moan about those who are the new owners.

[wilts rover]

Could it be Wellred, and this is just a stab in the dark here, that some people just like moaning?

[jonnydog]

Could it be Wellred, and this is just a stab in the dark here, that some people just like moaning?

... Was that a moan about moaning

[Alickismyhero]

Wred,

Why did you not read my statement answering your question but here it is again.......

"At this point Wred we can only assume that Bramall got a good deal for the club until we find out the finer detail"

In the past when I have posted questions to you that you found difficult to answer you just disappeared.

You normally debate an issue to a level I find interesting but I think you are being very silly now and attempting to be provocative. I suggest you adjust your strategy  because you are failing miserably.

[Alickismyhero]

Where are you Wred?

Did I answer your question?

Just how much do you know about the new regime?

Do you think Bramall got a good deal?

[Alickismyhero]

Have you disappeared again?

[Alickismyhero]

Are well its bed time for me I will catch up tomorrow

[Wellred]

Wred,

Why did you not read my statement answering your question but here it is again.......

"At this point Wred we can only assume that Bramall got a good deal for the club until we find out the finer detail"

In the past when I have posted questions to you that you found difficult to answer you just disappeared.

You normally debate an issue to a level I find interesting but I think you are being very silly now and attempting to be provocative. I suggest you adjust your strategy  because you are failing miserably.

After reading many of yours and other peoples posts on here I simply cannot understand why there should be any doubt about the TO being in the best interests of the club.

Haven't you all said that TB would never jeopardise the future of DRFC by selling to the wrong people?

Why then have you changed your mind? Stating we can only assume that Brammall got a good deal for the club "until we find out the finer detail" implies to me that you don't totally trust him.

[Viking Don]

Wred,

Why did you not read my statement answering your question but here it is again.......

"At this point Wred we can only assume that Bramall got a good deal for the club until we find out the finer detail"

Actually Alick, we can assume nothing about the deal until we know the finer detail, but it's obvious which camp you're coming from by that statement.

[NickDRFC]

I can't get my head round alickismyhero's position. Surely you either

A) trust that Bramall would only sell the club if the deal was in the best interests of a club and would have no negative impact on the long term future of the club.

Or

B) You have reservations about the deal until you know the "finer details", thereby doubting Bramall's intentions to do nearby the club.

Personally I'm somewhere between the 2.

[NickDRFC]

Sorry should read to do best by the club, not nearby!

[hoolahoop]

Still strikes me that this all still has a hint of "put up or shut up" from TB/DW/DB to JR/LT hence the July 'cut off' date.
I'm not sure why this 30 days thing is in the deal other than to see if the 'other' side so to speak has all the readies in place to take the club forward.

[Alickismyhero]

Wred,

1. You were very keen to say I never answered your question....wrong... I did but you never had the decency to admit it.
2. I went on to ask 5 questions to you and you failed to answer any, I wonder why?

That is not the way to debate a serious topic. You have to do better or your street cred goes down the drain and dare I say it people will ignore your comments and thats the biggest insult going.

Nick,

Well I think you can see that I am not in the Wred camp whos position is weakened by poor debate technique. I am trying to take a honest and genuine position on this issue. My views on Ryan remain I wouldn't buy a used car off him and that includes his Bentley if I was to score 20 goals in a season.

I stand by what I said " I can only assume that Bramall has made a good decision for the club" because I don't know the details and no one else does, including Wred. What else could I say? Its stating the bleeding obvious.

I am supporting Bramalls decision and going along with the new regime.

 Bramall appears to me to be a man I can trust  because of his track record. Has Bramall capitulated? has he made a mistake? has he made the right decision?Has the game finished? we don't know.

 My position is "I support Bramall's decision until I know why I shouldn't".


VD,

I am not sure that you do understand my position.

just tell me what you think will happen if Ryan fails? will Bramall come back and sort the mess out?


I have a great deal of respect for both Bramall and Watson a damn sight more than Ryan and I think that is clear from my comments but I come from Yorkshire and I want to see the detail. The answers will come out in time and we will have to wait and see.

Hools,

 you make a very good point, thats why I said "Is the game over"?

[Bentley Bullet]

So you are supporting Bramall's decision to sell the club to a bloke that you wouldn't buy a used car off. Is that a contradiction in terms?

[Alickismyhero]

I suspect Bramall is a little more forgiving than me.

 I am of the opinion that "You may stamp on my fingers once but you want get away with it a second time"

metaphorically speaking.

First of all would I believe Ryan if he was to offer me the car deal? no.

Thats just because I would cut off my nose to spite my face, if you get what I mean?

Why would Bramall do a deal perhaps he is confident he has Ryan over a barrel, we just don't know.

There is no doubt that Bramall is the better man at business than Ryan and I have that from a man who has worked for both Bramall and Ryan.

[since-1969]

I don't think TB sold Rovers more liked walk away from it . He's not  really being in love with football so it was simply a drain on his hard earned money . This deal was as good as he could get .