Club Update

[GazLaz]

It wouldn't surprise me if the club never talk to the VSC again.

Why would that be?

I just don't think JR likes the attitude towards him from the VSC hierarchy. I know the official lines are not negative but the vibe certain VSC posters on this forum give off towards him is negative, anyone that reads the forum can see that. We don't need negativity around the club when everything should be positive at the minute. If there are obvious signs that things aren't adding up and things are being done the wrong way then fair enough, the VSC is here to try and step in, but negativity at this early stage of the project won't help.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Gaz

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of an ideal fans' representative organisation.

To me, it should exist to be a healthily skeptical friend. It shouldn't exist to say "Do what you want now and we'll be around to help pick up the pieces if things go tits up." That approach helps no-one. It should be a bit of a pain in the arse, asking the uncomfortable questions and trying to prevent irrational exuberance or malicious deviousness taking the club in the wrong direction.

I don't see any benefit in a fans' organisation being an uncritical supporter of the club's management and ownership.

[CraigyBoy]

I can't work out why the vsc think they should be included by right in small scale press releases? I know they are a shareholder with a tiny number of shares but Ryan nailed his colours to the mast a few months ago inre the vsc.
All the power hungry bickering is a little childish to most people. The vsc should just busy themselves doing things for supporters rather than seeing getting into meetings as the zenith of their contribution to fans.
Just my twopences.

[bobjimwilly]

I can't work out why the vsc think they should be included by right in small scale press releases? I know they are a shareholder with a tiny number of shares but Ryan nailed his colours to the mast a few months ago inre the vsc.
All the power hungry bickering is a little childish to most people. The vsc should just busy themselves doing things for supporters rather than seeing getting into meetings as the zenith of their contribution to fans.
Just my twopences.

Please don't make up garbage about the trust to further your agenda. Where have the VSC said we should be included in any press release? Where have the VSC even hinted they want to be included in certain meetings?

Take your agenda somewhere else CraigyBoy, please...

[CraigyBoy]

Not the "a" word...... I have no more of an agenda than you do. I think what you mean is that my views differ from yours, so it entitles you to bring out the "a word". I simply want the vsc to stop being a political stone in a shoe and to do more good things for the supporters.
I just don't see the clamour for being included in meetings. Can't you do other stuff and still be an organisation fans are proud of?

[Alickismyhero]

It wouldn't surprise me if the club never talk to the VSC again.

Ryan has made some bad judgements in the past surely he wouldn't be daft enough do that? perhaps that should have been one of the questions posed by the SLO's

Could you put these questions across for me SLO's

Will the new regime recognise and communicate meaningfully with the VSC?
Will you be writing off the debts at the end of the season? if there are any of course!

Tell me Gaz, what is negative about asking questions? What is negative is hiding your head in the sand and walking in to trouble. Ryan has got it wrong in the past and if his objective is to turn supporters against the VSC he's an idiot.

 Surely he should be banging the drum, as he does, be conciliatory(from both side) and get all the supporters going  in the same direction.

Ryan would probably look at me as a subversive to his course but I am not, I am his critical friend, am I bovvered? no not really. He espousers the right words but his recent history frightens me.

 If your suspicion is right Gaz then I can see a damaging split coming and nobody wants that!

[silent majority]

I have to echo The words of BST here. I've already said on a few occasions it's not about personalities, it's about the club. Our concerns are that the club, as a historical institution within the local community in which it resides and represents, should be preserved and protected from the extreme that football throws up. Our primary goal is to apply checks and balances to whoever owns the club and ensure that we do our best at all times, both on the pitch and off.

I'm assuming here that when people say the club won't talk to the VSC again that what they mean is JR won't talk to us. The club includes all the staff, departmental managers and operational and match day staff too. Do you mean they won't talk to us?

We all know John has a thin skin, but we can't help that. If he doesn't like what we say about the current, or previous TO, then that's tough. We have a purpose which includes questioning changes that affect the financial status of the club. We were right to question the SC deal and we're right to question this one too. If that annoys certain individuals then I apologise, but it won't deter us from asking the questions that matter to the thousands of DRFC supporters that care.

[The Red Baron]

AIMH, questioning by all means, I'm sure Lee or Dave would welcome your questions but why accuse them of being Patsies?

Their role is communication between fans and the club. I'm sure they'll welcome your apology for your little outburst.

One question answered:

http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-takeover-not-dependent-on-crowdfunder-1-6698591

If the new regime were planning to use this income stream to purchase the club I don't think the football authorities would have accepted it. I wonder if they only just found that out?

Sad,
Read my comments again! I did not say he/they were Patsy's did I? I voiced my concern at the level of questions.

You are jumping to conclusions and note that Lee never took offence at my comments.

There are bucket loads of good questions that remain unanswered just read back but just one concerns me at the moment

 "Will Ryan pay off the debts at the end of the season"?

Personally the mission statement of Prem league is not really that important to me and I won't hold Ryan to it. The only objective I would put on the new regime is I want the team to be competitive and the club kept out of crippling debt.

One more question Lee "why did you not use the questions the forum posters asked"?

I have to say I never really thought that the Crowdfunder money WAS being used to purchase the club. Nor do I think it represents all or part of the funding for the squad. However, it is good to see this clarification and had it appeared a week ago then I dare say a good deal less bandwidth would have been taken up in the last few days!

I do have one question that the SLOs didn't ask (or didn't get answered?) When can we expect to see signings take place? Can we expect some next week, or do we have to wait until the formal completion of the deal on 18th July?

If the latter then I can see a repeat of the Tommy Spurr and M'voto fiascos of last season.

[Alickismyhero]

In the DFP article it says and I quote:

According to the Trust, the Crowdfunder deadline may yet be extended beyond the July 17 cut-off point.

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I would expect some very large donations going in towards the end date. Failure to reach the target after the hype is not only bad for the trust its bad for us all and I don't want to see the trust fail.

But the crowdfund org states:  This project will only be funded if at least £2,000,000 is pledged by 2:46PM on Thursday 17th July, 2014.

Can the trust extend the date? I know, another question!

[IDM]

Not the "a" word...... I have no more of an agenda than you do. I think what you mean is that my views differ from yours, so it entitles you to bring out the "a word". I simply want the vsc to stop being a political stone in a shoe and to do more good things for the supporters.
I just don't see the clamour for being included in meetings. Can't you do other stuff and still be an organisation fans are proud of?

Problem is Craigy, folks will criticise your views and opinions if they are blatantly wrong.   Where did the VSC clamour to be in meetings?  This was about the SLO meeting the club, and updating us - nowt to do with the VSC wanting a meeting?

Why is that difficult to see?

That's what annoys me about this forum (not you per se Craigy, nowt personal) when folks can't differentiate between opinion and facts.  folks say the VSC/club is/does this/that etc when all that is is a viewpoint - fair enough if no one presents the facts but in this thread the OP clearly says the meeting was the club and the SLO, not the VSC.   Just an example of how things can get our of hand.

Last summer there were plenty of folks moaning on here about lack of information.  The SLOs get some info and publicise it, and the thread degenerates into a "role of the VSC"/pro/anti JR/TO debate - again!

FFS bring on the football!!!!

[IDM]

I do have one question that the SLOs didn't ask (or didn't get answered?) When can we expect to see signings take place? Can we expect some next week, or do we have to wait until the formal completion of the deal on 18th July?

If the latter then I can see a repeat of the Tommy Spurr and M'voto fiascos of last season.

I would speculate that the ongoing transfer talks could produce results at any time.  My reason for saying that (in relation to the takeover) is that as TO contracts have been exchanged, that means that the TO commitments have been made and agreed - a bit like when you buy or sell a house, you can't back out and the financial considerations are already determined.  This means that PD should IMHO, know what his playing budget is.  Now, it may be that agents (and players) are waiting for more details of the TO with the high profile that LT brings, to get better deals.  It is an assumption that it is the fault of the club if signings don't happen to our perceived timescales as fans, but maybe the agents and players are mostly at fault?

In the spirit of my previous post, I don't claim that as fact, merely my observation, and I'll happily be corrected.

[Alickismyhero]

IDM,

Yes I take your point

[IDM]

IDM,

Yes I take your point

I really can't wait for the football - whatever players we sign.  Then we can criticise the team/performance/manager/board based on what actually happens on the field of play. 

[Alickismyhero]

IDM,

Yes I take your point

You mean................getting back to normal.....yes, I go along with that.

I really can't wait for the football - whatever players we sign.  Then we can criticise the team/performance/manager/board based on what actually happens on the field of play. 

[Donnybax]

I would also like the club to be asked if the one call girls will be at home games next season?

[bobjimwilly]

IDM,

Yes I take your point

I really can't wait for the football - whatever players we sign.  Then we can criticise the team/performance/manager/board based on what actually happens on the field of play. 

I've added a handy countdown so we can count the days to the first (league) match!

[Sad-Rovers]

Gaz

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of an ideal fans' representative organisation.

To me, it should exist to be a healthily skeptical friend. It shouldn't exist to say "Do what you want now and we'll be around to help pick up the pieces if things go tits up." That approach helps no-one. It should be a bit of a pain in the arse, asking the uncomfortable questions and trying to prevent irrational exuberance or malicious deviousness taking the club in the wrong direction.

I don't see any benefit in a fans' organisation being an uncritical supporter of the club's management and ownership.

On that note, shouldn't members of an Trust be able to ask "the uncomfortable questions" of said Trust?

[bobjimwilly]

Quick message to any VSC members who want to ask honest questions of the trust and/or directors - please start your own thread in the appropriate "VSC Members" section of the forum and try not to hijack other peoples threads, including those that are concerning a different topic. This way the directors will easily be able to see your questions and answer appropriately. Thanks.

[Sammy Chung was King]

I just don't think JR likes the attitude towards him from the VSC hierarchy. I know the official lines are not negative but the vibe certain VSC posters on this forum give off towards him is negative, anyone that reads the forum can see that. We don't need negativity around the club when everything should be positive at the minute. If there are obvious signs that things aren't adding up and things are being done the wrong way then fair enough, the VSC is here to try and step in, but negativity at this early stage of the project won't help.
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No disrespect to the VSC but Hierarchy gives them an importance that's not appropriate,they are supporters just like the rest of us.
I'm not on side's just on Doncaster Rovers side,and that's where we all should be,dividing between sides won't help our club,we haven't enough support for that,as much as i know little of the VSC Role it is to ask questions that need to be asked,which are not always going to be well received,football politics will kill the club if you let it.

When people ask questions they can't all be positive,we all on here ask questions on things we have no control over,in the end the chairman will run things in the best way he see's fit,but we will still ask questions because we all care what happens to our club.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Quick message to any VSC members who want to ask honest questions of the trust and/or directors - please start your own thread in the appropriate "VSC Members" section of the forum and try not to hijack other peoples threads, including those that are concerning a different topic. This way the directors will easily be able to see your questions and answer appropriately. Thanks.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Quick message to any VSC members who want to ask honest questions of the trust and/or directors - please start your own thread in the appropriate "VSC Members" section of the forum and try not to hijack other peoples threads, including those that are concerning a different topic. This way the directors will easily be able to see your questions and answer appropriately. Thanks.

Is that for me Bristol?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Is that for me Bristol?

No, it was generically agreeing with BJW's post. SAD stands out head and shoulders as someone who could take note.