Home Form - the Curse of the Keepmoat?

[Dutch Uncle]

Our home form is dire this season, but in truth it has not been good ever since we moved to the Keepmoat. Since we moved in during December 2006, in the 7 and a half seasons since then, in league matches we have won 67 drawn 49 and lost 66. This is an average of 1.37 points a game.

If we look at the last 7 and a half seasons at Belle Vue the home form was won 82 drawn 49 and lost 33, and average of 1.80 points a game . So home form fell by 24% over these two similar periods.   

However our league form was on average slightly better in the last 7.5 years at Belle Vue (ignoring which level we were at) - we had two promotions and no relegations. In the Keepmoat era we have had two promotions but also 2 relegations. So a better comparison might be to see how our home form compared with away form over these two periods.

If we look at the away form over the earlier Belle Vue period it is won 60 drawn 45 and lost 61, an average of 1.36 points a game, so home form was 32% better.

If we look at the away form over this latter Keepmoat period it is won 57 drawn 42 and lost 83, an average of 1.17 points a game, so home form has been only 17% better.

Either way clearly we have been worse at the Keepmoat. Whether this is down to the pitch, the atmosphere, the managers' (all 4 of them) tactics, quality or style of opposition, referees, bad luck, or a combination of all the above can be the subject of endless debate, but the fact remains - we are definitely worse.     

The one factor that is definitely in our own hands to improve is atmosphere. Come on folks. 

 

[Dagenham Rover]

get an exorcist in, bit of Feng whatsit as well,   

[Chris Black come back]

We are dreadful at the Keepmoat and the atmosphere is worse but those figures are a little unrepresentative I fear Dutch.

The majority of the games played at the Keepmoat have been in the Championship, which is very competitive and historically at the very upper end of our capabilities as a club.

The last seven seasons at Belle Vue included a number of seasons in the Conference (1999-2003) which is historically beneath where we have played as a club. You would expect us to do fairly well at that level and probably also the level above, which is our traditional home.

[Filo]

get an exorcist in, bit of Feng whatsit as well,   

Maybe we ought to resurect the ghost of the BV owl

[Dutch Uncle]

We are dreadful at the Keepmoat and the atmosphere is worse but those figures are a little unrepresentative I fear Dutch.

The majority of the games played at the Keepmoat have been in the Championship, which is very competitive and historically at the very upper end of our capabilities as a club.

The last seven seasons at Belle Vue included a number of seasons in the Conference (1999-2003) which is historically beneath where we have played as a club. You would expect us to do fairly well at that level and probably also the level above, which is our traditional home.

You are right of course CBCB when it comes to simply comparing home form over the two periods.

That is why I think the comparison with away form over the same periods is a better measure of how we are doing relatively (only 17% better versus 32% better). This is IMHO a valid and significant indicator.

[steve@dcfd]

We don't win at home because most teams come and we have break them down. Therefore if we don't score first, teams sit until we get frustrated, then if they score we try and chase the game and majority of times get picked off again.

Therefore whether the supporters like or not we need set the team up as yesterday and bring teams on to us get a goal then the games change as the away team will have to chase the game.

Or we need better players midfield and striker option.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Agree with that. The management and players hold the key to reversing our home form (Unless there is some higher force at work). The fans are all too ready to play their part but,as we've seen it doesn't take long for that air of gloom to descend when we don't get on top. Hardly surprising, it's human nature. 

[Donnywolf]

get an exorcist in, bit of Feng whatsit as well,   

Maybe we ought to resurect the ghost of the BV owl

Oh is it dead ? I was hoping that like the Pheasant that smashed my wing mirror to bits @ ahem 70 mph last night that it was still alive ! Gutted I am ... I loved seeing that Owl !

[Dutch Uncle]

get an exorcist in, bit of Feng whatsit as well,   

Maybe we ought to resurect the ghost of the BV owl

I know a man over here who could help Filo

http://www.communityni.org/event/owl-man#.VJbxEf8C6lA

Actually I have seen his owls on display her in Bangor - they are truly amazing.

[DonnyOsmond]

Didn't it used to be gypsy land?

[Copps is Magic]

Sadly, its starts with the design of stadium. Which came in the back end of an era of identi-kit stadiums designed for comfort and convenience. All seated, fans too far from the pitch, roof too high, built near an out-of town industrial park, insulation on the concourses ... the list goes on.

Cardiff got it right with the millennium stadium - slap bang in the middle of the city.

I for one support a major redesign of the keepmoat if they ever introduce safe standing or knocking it down completey if they don't

[wilts rover]

Wereas Cardiff City play in an identikit stadium designed for comfort and convenience built near an out-of-town industrial park?

[stuey]

I think away team comfort has something to do with it. At BV the away dressing room was run down, with broken showers and peeling walls. Macindoe once said that when we played Man City, the faces of the City players entering the dressing room area was a picture. At the KM, the away dressing room is massive with loads of comforts.

When Bolton beat us 4-0 in the FA Cup in our first season at the KM, Sam Allardyce commented that his players loved it in there, but he also said the result probably would've been different if we were still at BV

[Dagenham Rover]

I think away team comfort has something to do with it. At BV the away dressing room was run down, with broken showers and peeling walls. Macindoe once said that when we played Man City, the faces of the City players entering the dressing room area was a picture. At the KM, the away dressing room is massive with loads of comforts.

When Bolton beat us 4-0 in the FA Cup in our first season at the KM, Sam Allardyce commented that his players loved it in there, but he also said the result probably would've been different if we were still at BV

and that may well have a bearing on things

[1879Rovers]

Didn't it used to be gypsy land?

Yes it did. Maybe we need to park a few caravans on it, get a few wild horses and find some lucky heather.

[Dagenham Rover]

Didn't it used to be gypsy land?

Yes it did. Maybe we need to park a few caravans on it, get a few wild horses and find some lucky heather.

or get a bloody Owl

[Donnywolf]

I am not buying any of this (black and white) horse sh*t,

There is no curse nor mystery involved ... no gypos ..no nothing

Similarly there was no curse on the new Wembley dressing room when the first 15 games or more were won by the incumbents of one Dressing Room .. it just happens

I don't believe in bogey teams and all that crap. Come Boxing Day 11 "athletes" will face a further 11 "athletes" and the ball will go here there and everywhere. The Ref (K******d) and his assistants will make decisions that may favour one side or the other (in Kettles case NEITHER) and if either Team scores one more goal than their opponents (in the appropriate net of course) they will win

That's all there is to it !

[Dagenham Rover]

 

I am not buying any of this (black and white) horse sh*t,

There is no curse nor mystery involved ... no gypos ..no nothing

Similarly there was no curse on the new Wembley dressing room when the first 15 games or more were won by the incumbents of one Dressing Room .. it just happens

I don't believe in bogey teams and all that crap. Come Boxing Day 11 "athletes" will face a further 11 "athletes" and the ball will go here there and everywhere. The Ref (K******d) and his assistants will make decisions that may favour one side or the other (in Kettles case NEITHER) and if either Team scores one more goal than their opponents (in the appropriate net of course) they will win

That's all there is to it !

  yep tbh thats about it

[DonnyOsmond]

Someone needs to find a gypsy to remove the curse and then we'll win the league. Problem sorted.

[DonnyOsmond]

Oh, and an owl.

[les@donr]

Get Dickov to pee in the four corners of the ground, Barry Fry did this at St Andrews, Brum.

[Askern_reds]

Omg? What the hell are you saying ? Bv was a shithole the kp is the best thing that happened to dr fc it's the current set of fans that's the trouble , wake up smell the coffee as they say

[Copps is Magic]

Only the spirits of Lewis Guy can save us now. Oh thee keepmoat, why have thy forsaken us.

[Copps is Magic]

Only the spirits of Lewis Guy can save us now.

Mixed with Mark Wilson's liniment oil, a prawn sandwich from the east stand and half a pint of water from the lake. Spread it over the pitch.

[Filo]

Someone needs to find a gypsy to remove the curse and then we'll win the league. Problem sorted.

Find a gypsy?

Donny is crawling with em, 2 sites in Thorne, 1 on Barnby Dun road, 1 in Arksey, 1in TollBar, 1 in Armthorpe, 1 in Clay Lane, surley one Gypsy can lift the curse while he's burning copper off!

[ravenrover]

Ah but are they actually true Gypsies, or just Travellers?
I did a bit of casual work for a local Funeral Director who had the market for Gypsy funerals all over the country and you wouldn't believe some of the piles that some of them live in and boy do they look down on the ones who still live in trailers. Mindst you some of the trailers are pretty spectacular on the inside.