Rotherham

[Albert Trousers]

Could be looking at a points deduction for fielding an ineligible player v Brighton last week.
This could well turn out to be the highlight of my season, would love to see Evans explode over this.

[RJHeader]

Millwall could put themselves into a cracking position if they beat Wigan tomorrow night.

I'd bloody love it if Rotherham went down

[Dare to dream!]

Should be more than 3 points. This is professional football fielding an ineligable player is amateurish.

[The Red Baron]

Millwall could put themselves into a cracking position if they beat Wigan tomorrow night.

I'd bloody love it if Rotherham went down

Conversely, Wigan would put themselves in a great position if they beat Millwall. Both are on the same points. Rotherham will be hoping they draw.

[Filo]

Some one at Rotherham needs to be asking the club secretary some serious questions!

[RJHeader]

Millwall could put themselves into a cracking position if they beat Wigan tomorrow night.

I'd bloody love it if Rotherham went down

Conversely, Wigan would put themselves in a great position if they beat Millwall. Both are on the same points. Rotherham will be hoping they draw.

Yeah agreeed. I meant with Millwall's game in hand against Blackburn though

[Dutch Uncle]

This season has seen some interesting cases of fielding an ineligible player with differing outcomes. I had always thought a 3 point deduction was more or less certain, but Blackpool were fined 30K (half of it suspended) for a seemingly similar case to Rotherham - a youth loan had expired:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29993867

On the other hand our friends from Forest Green were docked 3 points for fielding an ineligible player in other circumstances. I forget the exact number of players but it was something along the lines that Forest Green sent 24 players registrations in one envelope to the Conference prior to the opening game, and after the first game the Conference informed FGR that they had played an ineligible player, and by the way had only received 23 registrations. FGR insisted they had sent 24 and the Conference must have lost one (the player concerned had played last season and was always under contract). Nothing could be proved and after 2 appeals by FGR and a request to replay the game, the 3 points deduction stood.

Over here in Northern Ireland another strange case concerned Glentoran and Glenavon. The Glenavon player manager, Gary Hamilton, had been red carded the week before as a manager in the dugout (presumably for comments made to officials). Glenavon enquired of the IFA who said since Hamilton had been sent off as a manager he was still eligible to play. Hamilton played the next match against Glentoran (his old club just to spice things up a bit) and scored twice in a 4-2 win. Glentoran appealed and it was clearly found that Hamilton was ineligible and that the IFA had misinformed Glenavon. It was decided that there was no blame attached to Glenavon, and that Hamilton should serve his sentence in subsequent matches. Glentoran appealed, not unrealistically, that the match should be replayed without Hamilton playing, but this was rejected.

I know that the Football League is a separate organisation from the Conference and IFA, but given the Blackpool case, a 3 points deduction for Rotherham would seem to be far from certain, and the judgement might conceivably be appealed which ever way the decision goes, either by Rotherham or Millwall or Wigan.     

 

[Dare to dream!]

What ive seen Blackpool didn't get a points deduction because they did not win the game whereas Rotherham did

[albie]

As Dare to Dream says, if they gained an advantage from the mistake, as Rotherscum did by winning 1-0, they must surely expect to forfeit the points.

If they don't, then others might be thinking taking a risk is worth it. I suppose relaying the game is an option, but why should they get a second chance.

A Mr Creosote moment for big brown envelope boss...Yes!
Entrails everywhere.

[Dutch Uncle]

I agree that Rotherham should lose 3 points - I was just pointing out that I was surprised Blackpool didn't lose points even though they lost the match. I think historically teams have normally lost 3 points whatever the result, not just lost the points gained. It might give rise to a messy appeal by Rotherham, especially if it makes a difference in the final table.

Silly example, but suppose a team goes into the final match one place above relegation by a goal difference of 1 goal only. They play a couple of ineligible players which mean they lose only 1-0 while their rivals also lose 1-0. It could be argued that if they lose no points, those ineligible players saved them from relegation, as a greater loss might have occurred. There are many variants on this scenario. That is why I believe a team should always be deducted the 3 points, no matter the result of the match.

[bobjimwilly]

A Football Disciplinary Commission has ruled that Rotherham United are to be deducted three points, with immediate effect, for fielding an ineligible player (Farrend Rawson) in the club's Sky Bet Championship fixture with Brighton & Hove Albion on April 6.

The Millers won the match 1-0 with Rawson playing for the full 90 minutes.

Rotherham were also fined the sum of £30,000, half of which will be suspended until the end of the 2015/16 season. The club must also pay the costs of the hearing and The Football League.

The club has until May 1 to lodge an appeal.
Read more at http://www.football-league.co.uk/news/article/2015/rotherham-united-deducted-three-points-for-fielding-ineligible-player-2420855.aspx#V0Wzcggc6hXxzyEY.99

http://www.football-league.co.uk/news/article/2015/rotherham-united-deducted-three-points-for-fielding-ineligible-player-2420855.aspx

[Wiltshire Exile]

I'd bloody love it if Rotherham went down

Why?

[GazLaz]

Absolute farce. It's not even a punishment, it's only giving back the points they won by cheating.

[Draytonian III]

They should be demoted 3 divisions not deducted 3 points

[Bentley Bullet]

And they say crime doesn't pay! Pinch a tenner and if you're caught you get fined......A tenner!! The very least you can do is break even!!!

[Bentley Bullet]

My car got pinched the other day. The police caught the offender and told him to return it to me and now't more would be said! 

[since-1969]

Was it your wife ?

[newyankee]

 If Rotherham lose both their games now they are on 41 points, either Millwall or Wigan can stay up and Rotherham come down to Div One. At least we would get another local Derby.

[Prez]

FFs get a grip it happens. Admin team dropped a bollock. Happened before in football (and other sports) and it will happen again. They have the points taken off them, so they have hardly gained anything. Who was the player in question, Ronaldo, Messi? No don't think so.

Personally I have no problem with Rotherham, because them like us live in the shadows of our world super power of neighbours in the Sheffield clubs, and that shower of rats piss Weeds united.

When you drive round Stainforth, Balby Thorne, etc do you see cars with Rotherham stickers in the back? Nope, but you do see them of a certain vile club.

[roversam]

I'd bloody love it if Rotherham went down

Why?

Why not.

[The Red Baron]

They have said they are going to appeal, though I am unsure on what grounds. It may mean that the final relegation place is not decided until after the season finishes.

[roversam]

If they lose the appeal which they obviously will, they ought to be docked 3 more points.

[Chris Black come back]

FFs get a grip it happens. Admin team dropped a bollock. Happened before in football (and other sports) and it will happen again. They have the points taken off them, so they have hardly gained anything. Who was the player in question, Ronaldo, Messi? No don't think so.

Personally I have no problem with Rotherham, because them like us live in the shadows of our world super power of neighbours in the Sheffield clubs, and that shower of rats piss Weeds united.

When you drive round Stainforth, Balby Thorne, etc do you see cars with Rotherham stickers in the back? Nope, but you do see them of a certain vile club.

Evans has form.

Lots of form.

And eyeliner.

[neil grainger]

What a dreadful shame.....I hope this doesn't scupper their chances of survival........

[PDX_Rover]

They will be fine now they Mick Ronson Clarkson Harry Belafonte to fire them to safety

[IDM]

What happened to "we don't care about Rotherham..."??