Draconian or necessary?

[BobG]

Hear hear SM. To all you said.

BobG

[Bentley Bullet]

I was going to say that known trouble causers should be closely watched on match days. Then I thought, no they shouldn't, they should be locked up for the day, at least.

Why should law abiding football followers have their freedom, rights, and respect taken away just because the idiots aren't properly dealt with?

Personally, I was brought up to respect police officers, and my behavior reflects that, so why should I be treated like shit by them, just because I like football?

[Copps is Magic]

Why should law abiding football followers have their freedom, rights, and respect taken away just because the idiots aren't properly dealt with?

Personally, I was brought up to respect police officers, and my behavior reflects that, so why should I be treated like shit by them, just because I like football?

Exactly. You've hit the nail on the head.

That's the first point young rigo here doesn't quite get.

The second is the police should only ever be working within very tight convenes of the law. They don't get to make it up as they go along.

[colincramb]

I get the respect thing working both ways, but it appears then when football fans are given a bit of freedom there have been too many incidents of exploiting this, leading to problems.

For me, GTFC have made this problem worse by allowing any tom, dick and Harry the chance to have a ticket for this with their policy of selling 4 tickets to season ticket holders. God knows who's got their hands on them!

I completely agree with the dry train policy. Unfortunately some people are idiots and given a free reign will abuse it. Allowing these people the chance to get smashed at 10:00am on public transport is, quite frankly irresponsible policing

[DRFC-Hanksie]

I get the respect thing working both ways, but it appears then when football fans are given a bit of freedom there have been too many incidents of exploiting this, leading to problems.

For me, GTFC have made this problem worse by allowing any tom, dick and Harry the chance to have a ticket for this with their policy of selling 4 tickets to season ticket holders. God knows who's got their hands on them!

I completely agree with the dry train policy. Unfortunately some people are idiots and given a free reign will abuse it. Allowing these people the chance to get smashed at 10:00am on public transport is, quite frankly irresponsible policing

How are they going to enforce that on a train I can only imagine where everyones crammed in like sardines?

[colincramb]

Whether they can enforce it strictly or not isn't the point, the decision has been made to try and keep people safe, that's the point

[silent majority]

You are an insolent and rude individual. Your ignorance and lack of experience of Policing football crowds is pretty obvious whereas the old cronies at the FSF and myself have been involved in this for over twenty five years. I myself started out with the FSF because of the issues following England around the world, and being an England supporter I can guarantee that turning up for an away game and being treated like shit  is not the way to Police a football crowd. Because of our experience in these areas we regularly advise Police forces, here in the UK and overseas, about the best way to handle football crowds. We have several very well educated lecturers and trained crowd behaviour experts in our ranks, we attend every single pre-visit carried out by British Police before any national game is played, we are heavily involved in planning for all major tournaments and recently FIFA, following the UEFA lead, has suggested that every nation will adopt the Fans Embassy approach, something we pioneered 20 years ago. The responsibility for Policing football in this country and England fans abroad, lies with the Home Office, utilising the UKFPU (UK Football Police Unit) and they have been partnering with the FSF for as long as I can remember.

We have a full time employee, paid for out of Football Foundation grants, whose job it is to liaise with supporters, Police forces, safety advisory groups and any other statutory bodies to ensure that football supporters are treated correctly, fairly and within the law.

Yes respect has to be earned, but that cuts both ways. If you treat supporters with respect they give it back, treat them badly and that's what you get, bad behaviour. Unfortunately for you, respect is something that you have in short supply.

Yeah, you're banging the drum going blah, blah, blah... and what have you achieved?

I'm only an 'insolent and rude individual' because I don't agree with your f*cking point of view.

Evidently, two particular police forces aren't listening to a word you and your organisation say, otherwise they'd be taking a free and easy approach, letting Grimsby Town followers get tanked up on the train journey, and creating a situation where there's already potential for disorder, but alcohol has been added to the situation.

I don't think their behaviour is draconian, whatsoever. Their job is to protect the public and ensure everyone has a trouble-free, hassle-free day - both football fans going to this particular game and regular commuters going wherever.

If you wanted 'draconian' behaviour, then if they made the game a 'bubble' for away fans, like they do with Burnley-Blackburn, for example, then I'd get it.

It's just preventative measures to try and minimise the risk for trouble.

If it kicked off, you and your organisation would be the first ones coming down like a ton of bricks on whichever police force for not having measures in place to prevent the disorder.

With compliments
A rude and insolent individual.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. Just shouting a bit louder and swearing more often doesn't make you right, nor does it add validity to your argument. Once again on this forum the basic facts escape you.

That statement comes from the BTP nobody else. That's a fact, not opinion.

Do yourself a favour, educate yourself;

http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/watching-football-is-not-a-crime/

[Dagenham Rover]

So it sort of boils down to British Transport Police "doing there own thing"

[silent majority]

So it sort of boils down to British Transport Police "doing there own thing"

Yes pretty much, its certainly nothing to do with SY Police. Its a bit more difficult to get the message across to these guys, although we do have two participants on what's known as the 'Rail Forum', because they operate on a more national basis and not as regional as most Police Forces.

[Dagenham Rover]

So it sort of boils down to British Transport Police "doing there own thing"

Yes pretty much, its certainly nothing to do with SY Police. Its a bit more difficult to get the message across to these guys, although we do have two participants on what's known as the 'Rail Forum', because they operate on a more national basis and not as regional as most Police Forces.

Thought as much, but you would think they would take advice from the local forces ................

[silent majority]

So it sort of boils down to British Transport Police "doing there own thing"

Yes pretty much, its certainly nothing to do with SY Police. Its a bit more difficult to get the message across to these guys, although we do have two participants on what's known as the 'Rail Forum', because they operate on a more national basis and not as regional as most Police Forces.

Thought as much, but you would think they would take advice from the local forces ................

Yes, you would think so. And to a point they do but they have a different criteria. Our interaction with SY police has been very positive.

[silent majority]

No Rigo, not at all. Its because you continue to display your immaturity for all to see and yet, God knows how, you manage to convince yourself your insults and opinion has some validity.

[Colin C No.3]

When CIM said 'young' Rigo, I think what he actually meant by that was immature, naive, ignorant...well, you catch my drift.

I remember you as a spotty, tall teenager stood outside Valley Parade pleading with me & my brother to confirm to a policeman that you were a 'junior' & therefore entitled to a concessionary ticket which had been refused to you. Had you not been waving your arms around like a spoiled child, hands together, knees bending then straightening we just might have been able to assist you however, the police officer had seen & heard enough & obviously had you 'tagged' as a possible trouble maker so told you in no uncertain terms that you were not getting inside the ground that day & promptly 'moved you on'. The last we saw of you he was him pulling you aside as your wailing grew to a pitch I've only ever heard reached since when Aled Jones sang on The Snowman.

Now was that a draconian act of the policeman 'branding' you in such a fashion & preventing you from seeing the game, or was it just a preventative measure to try & minimise the risk of possible trouble?

They say travel broadens the mind. I guess you prove with each & every post you make on this forum that there's always the exception.

[Alan Southstand]

That's because he probably likes sex and travel!


I'll get mi coat.

[NickDRFC]

What a patronising, cock-ended thing to say. Of course there's more to life than football. I'm getting married next year, I live in London so only get to about a quarter of the games these days and am more open-minded about doing things with my Saturdays other than watching Rovers (such as going to Twickenham a few weeks back rather than Stevenage).

Does any of this diminish my love for Rovers? Does it b*llocks. I still spend plenty of time looking at news, reading interviews and when I'm at a game I give it my all.

I couldn't give two hoots that you think you've found the path to enlightenment by referring to a club you used to support as "them" and spend more time watching European football than the lower leagues. You haven't. There's also more to life than spending endless hours trying to wind up people on a football forum of a tinpot team you profess to care very little for.

And if you stopped supporting Rovers, a hobby that has given me endless hours of joy (alongside several hours of despair) because of "fans sucking up" then more fool you.

[Forum Admin]

Sorry Nick, the post you're referring to has been removed!

[NickDRFC]

Sorry Nick, the post you're referring to has been removed!

No worries, I'm pretty sure that anyone reading will realise

a) Who I'm referring to, and
b) The gist of what he would have been getting at. The same gist he's been getting at for several months.

[ballysbackin]

Extra police officers will be working on the railway in South Yorkshire looking for Christmas revellers at risk of offending.

British Transport Police said over half of all crimes recorded on the region’s railway last Christmas were public order offences, with alcohol involved in many.

Officers recorded 43 offences of violence and public order in South Yorkshire - 25 in Doncaster and 18 in Sheffield.

The force said one third of the offences were alcohol related.


Chief Inspector Pete Kooper said: “We want everyone to have fun over the festive period but every year we see passengers getting into trouble on the rail network because they’ve drunk more than they usually would and behaved in a way they wouldn’t dream of if sober.

“That’s no fun for anyone and unfortunately last Christmas we saw a rise in public order offences and anti-social behaviour.

“We believe they could have been avoided if people had just drunk a little less and thought about how alcohol affects the way they behave and the impact this has on other passengers."

Ch Insp Kooper added: “Our priority is making sure everyone gets to their destination safely and you will see more of our officers on the network helping people to enjoy the festivities, nipping any anti-social behaviour in the bud and deterring any violence.
“We have launched a national campaign asking people to have fun but also to keep a clear head and think about what you would do, and how you would behave if you were sober. There is no excuse for spoiling other people’s journeys or abusing rail staff just because you’re drunk.
“Having a drink could cost more than you think, not only could you find yourself with a criminal record, but we’ve seen peoples careers, livelihoods, relationship and dignity ruined following a drunken night out, don’t let that be you."


About answers questions...I suspect from today's DFP

[German Rover]

Extra police officers will be working on the railway in South Yorkshire looking for Christmas revellers at risk of offending.

British Transport Police said over half of all crimes recorded on the region’s railway last Christmas were public order offences, with alcohol involved in many.

Officers recorded 43 offences of violence and public order in South Yorkshire - 25 in Doncaster and 18 in Sheffield.

The force said one third of the offences were alcohol related.


Chief Inspector Pete Kooper said: “We want everyone to have fun over the festive period but every year we see passengers getting into trouble on the rail network because they’ve drunk more than they usually would and behaved in a way they wouldn’t dream of if sober.

“That’s no fun for anyone and unfortunately last Christmas we saw a rise in public order offences and anti-social behaviour.

“We believe they could have been avoided if people had just drunk a little less and thought about how alcohol affects the way they behave and the impact this has on other passengers."

Ch Insp Kooper added: “Our priority is making sure everyone gets to their destination safely and you will see more of our officers on the network helping people to enjoy the festivities, nipping any anti-social behaviour in the bud and deterring any violence.
“We have launched a national campaign asking people to have fun but also to keep a clear head and think about what you would do, and how you would behave if you were sober. There is no excuse for spoiling other people’s journeys or abusing rail staff just because you’re drunk.
“Having a drink could cost more than you think, not only could you find yourself with a criminal record, but we’ve seen peoples careers, livelihoods, relationship and dignity ruined following a drunken night out, don’t let that be you."


About answers questions...I suspect from today's DFP

So are 'ordinary drinkers going to be meet by aggressive looking Public Order Teams or will they be treated like human beings? I know the answer and so do you.  Football fans are treated like criminals and these people who are so drunk they cannot stand up will be treated with kid gloves in comparison.

[ballysbackin]

 To be honest I do not care. I am only putting to the public's notice what the Police have said, fuelled too by Sheffield Weds at home to Rotherham and Donny Station, could be a powder keg with added fuel of Millwall fans. YOU ARE DAMNED IF YOU DO AND YOU ARE DAMNED IF YOU DON'T. I certainly will not be involved in it, so just hoping others do not get hurt, no matter whether football fan, train spotter or Joe Bloggs with wife and family just shopping.

[normal rules]

Draconian measures or not, those hell bent on confrontation today, and there will be a higher than average number on both sides intent on this, they will have made their plans that will avoid the trains. There will have been cars and minibuses leave Grimsby this morning to get to Donny for opening time.

[Copps is Magic]

Already been spotted in Donny.

Police are clueless.

[Filo]

Red Lion rammed with them already according to my lad

[roversam]

Red Lion rammed with them already according to my lad

i bet they're  rammed in like sardines 😊

[MrFrost]

Some Pubs in town have been told to let Only Grimsby fans in.  Pathetic

[Drover]

http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=260386.0

[Goole Rover]

Well said Mick, the coppers can never win, wouldn't have their job for anything.