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eastender

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Extended Highlights
« on April 18, 2017, 12:54:55 pm by eastender »
Blair lucky not to receive a straight Red , a high reckless challenge even though he did slip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZyLARfD1vU&ab_channel=OfficialBlackpoolFC



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IDM

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #1 on April 18, 2017, 01:24:33 pm by IDM »
But the second yellow was a soft one!

Those clips show what I thought at the time, the first penalty, no issue - the second one, not even a foul never mind it was outside the box!!

bobjimwilly

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« Reply #2 on April 18, 2017, 01:31:34 pm by bobjimwilly »
Wasn't at the match, but from those highlights the ref didn't get much wrong, and at "normal speed" I can see how he might've thought the foul that led to the 2nd peno was inside the box :chair:

IDM

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #3 on April 18, 2017, 01:38:41 pm by IDM »
But the west stand linesman did seem to tell the ref the second one was outside the box..

The ref was card happy with our players.  I think there was one occasion when a foul was given but the Blackpool player cried out in pain only to get up immediately.

Marquis was wrestled around his neck at least 4 times, resulting in only one free kick and no bookings.

The west stand linesman missed a few offsides, and his worst was when the ball went over the line by about 18 inches for a corner to us in the first half, which he claimed he couldn't see.

The first yellow for Blair was correct, as was the first penalty..  But there were far too many odd decisions.

Syme

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #4 on April 18, 2017, 03:30:10 pm by Syme »
Blair lucky not to receive a straight Red , a high reckless challenge even though he did slip.

Must be why there was the booing from the West Stand when he booked him - desperate to see things done properly.

mrfrostsdad

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #5 on April 18, 2017, 04:41:21 pm by mrfrostsdad »
Having just watched the highlights, very lucky not to get a straight red.
2nd penalty debatable. Deffo contact but maybe just outside the box

dickos1

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #6 on April 18, 2017, 11:51:26 pm by dickos1 »
It was a country mile outside the box

DonnyBazR0ver

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #7 on April 19, 2017, 12:15:05 am by DonnyBazR0ver »
In real time, difficult to judge. Longbottom is outside the box but their player got in front and is right on the edge. Longbottom without doubt 'impeded' the player and gave him enough ammunition to go down.

Very soft however, if you were the official reviewing the replay, what would your decision be?

There were several incidents in the game where similar contacts between players were ignored by the ref when he waved play on. We see it week in, week out when there are so many inconsistent decisions. Our own Mr Rowe goes down far too easily at times, looking for the decision.

Players will continue to exploit these opportunities as the advantages outweigh the consequences.

Video replays are being trialed in Australia and it will be interesting to see how players behaviour changes if they know their 'cheating' will be exposed.

Let's be right, I don't think refs set out to make bad decisions, they just need help.

The Red Baron

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #8 on April 19, 2017, 07:38:50 am by The Red Baron »
I've said it many times. When you get one penalty you seldom get another, unless it is an absolute stonewaller. You certainly couldn't call the second one that (no argument about the handball). Yet Boyeson couldn't give it quickly enough.

One_Matty_Lucas

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #9 on April 19, 2017, 01:23:52 pm by One_Matty_Lucas »
One of our players was extremely lucky not to get a red card for calling the East Stand linesman a "fat c***".

The more I think of it I am really disappointed and would have been happy with a red card in that situation, bad for the sport if players are not respecting refs like that.

eastender

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #10 on April 19, 2017, 04:17:34 pm by eastender »
One of our players was extremely lucky not to get a red card for calling the East Stand linesman a "fat c***".

The more I think of it I am really disappointed and would have been happy with a red card in that situation, bad for the sport if players are not respecting refs like that.

The East Stand lino  gave Blackpool two throw in's , when it was obvious the ball had come off a Blackpool player.

Bristol Red Rover

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #11 on April 19, 2017, 06:51:14 pm by Bristol Red Rover »
Blair's first card was fair. One foot, went for the ball but very reckless. Doesn't seem to make contact with the player with his foot, but does with his body. Even then it's glancing not full on. I've seen reds given for similar, and can see how it looks at full speed, but would have been a terrible decision having seen it in detail.

The second card incident was almost 50/50, no boot raised, not late. A foul, just, but a card? I think the ref gave it for reckless play again - Blair came in fast and strong, the Blackpool payer just got his toe to it, had no intention of chasing after it and anyway it went to one of their players. Terrible decision, worth an appeal IMO.

2nd pen, the player was just inside the box though his trailing foot that was tripped was about half a yard outside when contact was made. A ref should be able to see this even at full speed, but I wonder if he gave it for the hand contact on their player, which was about on the line, with the player leaning well forwards so appearing to have gone over from contact inside?

Looks like we were unlucky not to have scored a couple there. Unlucky and hopefully that luck will go our way in the coming games.

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« Reply #12 on April 19, 2017, 07:02:06 pm by Dutch Uncle »
I seem to remember that the only grounds for appeal allowable for a yellow card is mistaken identity, so that would mean there can be no appeal against Blair's second yellow, even though it meant red.

I remember years ago at Rotherham Heffs was sent off for for 2 yellows, the second being for a 'dive' when there was clear contact. The ref (Salisbury I think) apologised afterwards, acknowledging his mistake, but this was still not enough to be grounds for an appeal.

One_Matty_Lucas

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #13 on April 19, 2017, 07:10:56 pm by One_Matty_Lucas »
One of our players was extremely lucky not to get a red card for calling the East Stand linesman a "fat c***".

The more I think of it I am really disappointed and would have been happy with a red card in that situation, bad for the sport if players are not respecting refs like that.

The East Stand lino  gave Blackpool two throw in's , when it was obvious the ball had come off a Blackpool player.


Oh yeah forgot that, definitely deserved being abused and children in the stand hearing language from their hero....lets move along.

RedJ

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« Reply #14 on April 19, 2017, 07:29:44 pm by RedJ »
You do realise the family stand is about half way down the half from where the East Stand linesman will have been at the closest point don't you?

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #15 on April 19, 2017, 09:27:34 pm by drfchound »
One of our players was extremely lucky not to get a red card for calling the East Stand linesman a "fat c***".

The more I think of it I am really disappointed and would have been happy with a red card in that situation, bad for the sport if players are not respecting refs like that.




Matty, it is very difficult to have much respect for someone who can't do his job properly.

swintonrover

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #16 on April 19, 2017, 11:54:58 pm by swintonrover »
Marquis told the East Stand lino to "do your f**king job".

bobjimwilly

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #17 on April 20, 2017, 10:15:43 am by bobjimwilly »
If the FA had the balls to back-up the refs at all levels, from grass-roots to the EPL, it would be so easy and quick to stamp out the disrespect players show to official.
They should watch a game of Rugby Union and see how many times a player disrespects the referee (and gets away with it). If 18 stone props can bite their tongue, be polite and voice their opinions through their captain, kids playing football can do the same.

Should be a warning, then a yellow, then a red for swearing at an official or any kind of dissent. Simple.
If there's dissent after awarding a free-kick, take them back 10m too - players will soon shut-up.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2017, 10:17:48 am by bobjimwilly »

bobjimwilly

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #18 on April 20, 2017, 10:19:45 am by bobjimwilly »
this is how referees should behave and, in turn, be respected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43AdWFSXhgs

One_Matty_Lucas

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #19 on April 20, 2017, 10:43:10 am by One_Matty_Lucas »
One of our players was extremely lucky not to get a red card for calling the East Stand linesman a "fat c***".

The more I think of it I am really disappointed and would have been happy with a red card in that situation, bad for the sport if players are not respecting refs like that.




Matty, it is very difficult to have much respect for someone who can't do his job properly.

I manage quite well not screaming and shouting obscenities in their face. Trust me I work with a few people who cant do their jobs properly.

It worries me that people find it acceptable for players (role models) to be as disrepectful towards referees. Fully agree with BJW and I admire Rugby Union for the way the players respect the refs.

drfchound

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #20 on April 20, 2017, 12:02:48 pm by drfchound »
One of our players was extremely lucky not to get a red card for calling the East Stand linesman a "fat c***".

The more I think of it I am really disappointed and would have been happy with a red card in that situation, bad for the sport if players are not respecting refs like that.




Matty, it is very difficult to have much respect for someone who can't do his job properly.

I manage quite well not screaming and shouting obscenities in their face. Trust me I work with a few people who cant do their jobs properly.

It worries me that people find it acceptable for players (role models) to be as disrepectful towards referees. Fully agree with BJW and I admire Rugby Union for the way the players respect the refs.




To be clear on this, for my part, i only said that it is hard to respect people who can't do their jobs properly.

I never said anything about screaming or shouting in peoples faces.

On the RU issue, it would be interesting to have football officials miked up in the same way as the RU ones are.
The conversation between the ref and linesman about the non penalty on Monday would have been good to hear.
The football officials are very often aloof in their attitudes to players whereas the RU ones explain quite clearly to players what the decision is and for what reason.
If football officials behaved in the same way then maybe they would get a better response?

One_Matty_Lucas

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Re: Extended Highlights
« Reply #21 on April 20, 2017, 01:45:38 pm by One_Matty_Lucas »
One of our players was extremely lucky not to get a red card for calling the East Stand linesman a "fat c***".

The more I think of it I am really disappointed and would have been happy with a red card in that situation, bad for the sport if players are not respecting refs like that.




Matty, it is very difficult to have much respect for someone who can't do his job properly.

I manage quite well not screaming and shouting obscenities in their face. Trust me I work with a few people who cant do their jobs properly.

It worries me that people find it acceptable for players (role models) to be as disrepectful towards referees. Fully agree with BJW and I admire Rugby Union for the way the players respect the refs.




To be clear on this, for my part, i only said that it is hard to respect people who can't do their jobs properly.

I never said anything about screaming or shouting in peoples faces.

On the RU issue, it would be interesting to have football officials miked up in the same way as the RU ones are.
The conversation between the ref and linesman about the non penalty on Monday would have been good to hear.
The football officials are very often aloof in their attitudes to players whereas the RU ones explain quite clearly to players what the decision is and for what reason.
If football officials behaved in the same way then maybe they would get a better response?

Absolutely mic up the referees, would be a big improvement I think. I just want consistency in refereeing, don't mind if Mr.Referee1 likes to give penalties for pushing as long as he gives them every week/incident.

 

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