Whiteman

[Move DRFC]

Beestin looks good on the ball. Was impressed with Andrew playing left centre back in the second half as well.

[Lesonthewest]

We struggled with Derby's quality first half but second half we looked much better moving the ball quicker with some good one touch stuff. Thought Tommy Rowe looked really sharp & Coppinger linked up play brilliantly when he came on.  Andrews looks a good player & the trialist well worth another look. Whiteman had a better second half after a poor first. The worry for me is the physical side of things, still look like we can be bullied.

[5minstogo]

After hearing such good things about Whiteman I was looking forward to seeing him play. Didn't even realise he was playing first half, not sure he touched the ball. Looked much better in the holding role for the 15 minutes he played in the second half

[RobTheRover]

The shirt numbers didn't match the team sheet numbers, quite confusing.

I think you mean Danny Bergara, Daggers.

Darren's been taking lessons from the Sammy Cheung school of team selection

[Dagenham Rover]

The shirt numbers didn't match the team sheet numbers, quite confusing.

I think you mean Danny Bergara, Daggers.

Darren's been taking lessons from the Sammy Cheung school of team selection

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[selby]

Bessie and Retdon,I bet it is fair to say you thaught Middleton was poor before the game kicked off.

[Bessie Red]

Bessie and Retdon,I bet it is fair to say you thaught Middleton was poor before the game kicked off.

No. He just is not good enough for League One. Most players have a level & League Two at most is his, a shame yes but true. The french lad showed more guile, talent, drive in 30mins than Harry has done in all the time he has been in the first team.

[selby]

Bessie,  he is the new whipping boy,dont know why we have to have one ,but we always do.
   

[Bessie Red]

Bessie,  he is the new whipping boy,dont know why we have to have one ,but we always do.
   

He is not a whipping boy in my eyes, he is just not good enough for League One in my opinion. He has been transfer listed for a reason.

[selby]

We will agree to disagree,I think you are wrong,we will see how it pans out.
   If we let him go I think it will be a mistake,but probably the best thing for him.
  He will not be the first player we have let go and live to regret it.

[RoversAlias]

Bessie and Retdon,I bet it is fair to say you thaught Middleton was poor before the game kicked off.

No. He just is not good enough for League One. Most players have a level & League Two at most is his, a shame yes but true. The french lad showed more guile, talent, drive in 30mins than Harry has done in all the time he has been in the first team.

Whilst I'm not convinced by Middleton at all, I think it's a bit unfair to comparr him to Ben Khemis since Middleton traditionally plays much deeper, and Ben Khemis is clearly an attacking flair player. Apples and oranges really.

[BessieBlue]

For me Middleton lacks sufficient mobility for the midfield role he aspires to play.

Alongside Wellens a couple of years back he looked capable but doesn't seem to have progressed.

[Rovers91]

We will agree to disagree,I think you are wrong,we will see how it pans out.
   If we let him go I think it will be a mistake,but probably the best thing for him.
  He will not be the first player we have let go and live to regret it.

You his dad?

[balbyrover]

Not a massive fan of Middleton either, I think his development has stalled over the last couple of years.. But as it stands, he is still our player and he's got age on his side too, so fresh slate next season and give him a chance.
I don't think he will start many games anyway under Ferguson.

[Alan Southstand]

I think he's probably had enough chances, Balby, hence the listing. However, DF may be using that to give him a proverbial kick up the jacksie. One thing to ponder on is the fact that he never played the deep role for the youth team but yet it's the only role that seems suitable for him in the first team. His lack of pace and strength really does mean he is going to struggle the higher up the leagues we go.

[selby]

Rovers 91,no a bit too old for a lad that age mate,what are you a Schoolboy?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I think he's probably had enough chances, Balby, hence the listing. However, DF may be using that to give him a proverbial kick up the jacksie. One thing to ponder on is the fact that he never played the deep role for the youth team but yet it's the only role that seems suitable for him in the first team. His lack of pace and strength really does mean he is going to struggle the higher up the leagues we go.

Tend to agree. As much as we all wanted him to succeed, it looks like he's not going to be able to command a spot.

I think our main concern is it takes him too long to move the ball at times. Yet again, on Tuesday he got caught in possession in a dangerous area which led to the penalty. I think this is the reason DF put him on the transfer list as he's had the opportunities to show what he can do. He couldn't perform consistently at League Two level.

I would prefer Mason, Whiteman and the triallist ahead of him in midfield.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Year long loan might be a good thing if he could get it...

[selby]

He got caught because of slack play by three other players in front of their own goal.
  As soon as it happened I knew who would get the blame,up to that point he had been the main provider ,and continued to be, of balls out of defence to Copps and Ben.
  Yes  it needed a big boot,yes he got caught,but forget the three suicide balls across the front of our goal 18yds out that dropped him in it.
  Apart from that he had a good game,and allowed people in front of him to get into space.

[selby]

  By the way,in the first minute Mason got caught in possession 40yds out leaving two Derby players clean through on goal which they ballsed up.
   We could and should have been one nil down within a minute,lets forget about that.

[Bessie Red]

He got caught because of slack play by three other players in front of their own goal.
  As soon as it happened I knew who would get the blame,up to that point he had been the main provider ,and continued to be, of balls out of defence to Copps and Ben.
  Yes  it needed a big boot,yes he got caught,but forget the three suicide balls across the front of our goal 18yds out that dropped him in it.
  Apart from that he had a good game,and allowed people in front of him to get into space.

I admire your loyalty to a local lad playing for his home town team, however the management team in their greater wisdom have deemed him not good enough for League One which is why he has been transfer listed. All players make mistakes, I get that, but his have become too regular. You gave the answer to the situation where he got caught out as a professional footballer he should have reached the same conclusion as you.

[NickDRFC]

He got caught because of slack play by three other players in front of their own goal.
  As soon as it happened I knew who would get the blame,up to that point he had been the main provider ,and continued to be, of balls out of defence to Copps and Ben.
  Yes  it needed a big boot,yes he got caught,but forget the three suicide balls across the front of our goal 18yds out that dropped him in it.
  Apart from that he had a good game,and allowed people in front of him to get into space.

Selby, I'm pretty sure he's more of a scapegoat in your head than he is in reality.

My take on it (and it seems to be most people's opinion on here and in the stands) is that we were delighted to have a youngster break into the team, but he hasn't moved forward in over 2 years in and around the first team, and if anything you could argue that he's regressed slightly. This is a viewpoint shared by the management given he's been transfer listed - he's just not the player to take us forward. I'll support him every time he pulls on the shirt, and I'd be delighted to be proven wrong (I had similar misgivings about Paul Green and was certainly wrong about that) but I can't see him making a career at any higher than League Two, and that at best.

[ravenrover]

A bit unfair in my opinion to blame Middleton for what lead to the penalty. As I remember we were fannying about at the back and the ball was hacked towards H at pace, he miscontrolled it. The rest is history

[DonnyBazR0ver]

A bit unfair in my opinion to blame Middleton for what lead to the penalty. As I remember we were fannying about at the back and the ball was hacked towards H at pace, he miscontrolled it. The rest is history

You're missing the points made in the previous posts. It's not an isolated incident is it, and that's why we think he's on the transfer list. He could have got rid. Too many times he's caught because he telegraphs what he's going to do. His speed of execution lets him down.

[ravenrover]

No I didn't miss the point, I just think it is unfair to blame just him in this instance

[IDM]

who is this thread about??

[Chris Black come back]

The DNA card.

[drfchound]

No I didn't miss the point, I just think it is unfair to blame just him in this instance

Better players than Harry have made similar errors.
With ATS and Cedric gone Harry will be the biggest crowd target this season if he gets on the pitch.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Thought he showed his quality tonight against good opposition. He's a strong boy who's going to have an impact this season. Good in all areas, mobility, strength, passing, heading, shooting, tackling.

He, Andrew, Mason and Khemis (if he signs) are very good youngsters who will do very well this season.