Poor...

[dickos1]

People only remember what they want to mate

Do you remember him relegating us from a near play off position?

Or throwing away the title?

We were nailed on for relegation when he took over!!
We got promoted, which is what he said he would do

Do you remember him taking us from the bottom of the league to just outside the playoffs?
Do you remember him getting us promoted?

Nailed on for relegation? He relegated us for christs sake.

He didn't, he inherited a squad that was useless, that played the biggest part. The fact he had a run of a dozen games or so where we pulled away from the bottom was the exception to the norm that season. The first third of the season under Dickov played as much a part in us getting relegated as the last third.

Who was responsible for relegation then?

A combination of factors, like most things that go wrong in life.

In the same breath then, you can't give him credit for promotion last season.

😂😂😂😂
What on earth are you on about?
Who we giving the credit to then?

[MrFrost]

Do you blame him for relegation?

[pib]

Far too early to judge this season of course, but it's hard to deny there is (and always has been) question marks over Fergie.

First season was a disaster (not completely his fault but some of his questionable decisions contributed), last season overall was very good but there were still some worrying traits especially at the end, and this season we haven't really got going yet.

A couple of things that are for sure is that we will have to be more streetwise in this division than in L2 as there's is a big difference - we won't outscore teams at this level as we have seen with 4 blanks out of 6.  Fergie has to come up with another way to win matches, and hopefully he will.  Also we can't keep relying on a 36 year old Copps as our only source of creativity.. 

[GazLaz]

3 games ago people were lauding a great state to the season.

[graingrover]

Have a good sleep Mr Frost and stop worrying yourself to death over DF .He's not half as bad as you fear .

[dickos1]

Not just him no
He took over a struggling side, and only had January to try and improve it.
When he took over he improved us quite dramatically, but then we struggled again.

Last year he got his own side and got us promoted, this year it's again his side so let's see how we do, can't be judged on 6 games,
Just nonsense

[pib]

Not just him no
He took over a struggling side, and only had January to try and improve it.
When he took over he improved us quite dramatically, but then we struggled again.

Last year he got his own side and got us promoted, this year it's again his side so let's see how we do, can't be judged on 6 games,
Just nonsense

Not strictly true about January, as most of the work he did on the squad that season came in the loan market, outside the transfer window.  He recruited Grant and the other fella from Everton (full back) in October-ish.  Not sure when Calder came in, but McSheffrey and the crap keeper from Norwich were recruited much later in the season, as was Tommy Rowe.

I'm not deliberately Fergie bashing there, but he tried to tinker with the squad throughout that season, and a lot of his decisions backfired.  Especially with some of the young loanees he put arguably too much trust in.

[dickos1]

To be fair to him he had to tinker and the loan market is the only thing he could use.
I'm sure he would've wanted to sign players but couldn't, some of the signings he made that year were class. Anderson, grant, the other Everton lad,

[dickos1]

After 6 games last season sheff u had one point more than what we've got.
That should be enough to realise it's far too early to start worrying

[idler]

They also had Billy Sharp though.😉

[pib]

Dickov signed Anderson also

[dickos1]

Think it was rob jones to be honest actually

[RedJ]

Didn't Rob Jones bring Anderson in?

[pib]

Correct. Just testing. It wasn't Fergie either way.

[since-1969]

Attacking: Rickie Lambert – Left Cardiff City by mutual consent in July and is still without a club.

[pib]

I think we are lacking genuine pace.  Presumably Kiwomya was brought in for that very reason so it's been particularly unfortunate to lose him.

[Chris Black come back]

Forgot we had the lad to be honest.

Suspect he may not be fully firing until the new year.

[Chris Black come back]

Would be interesting to hear from anyone who went today how we played? Was this another good performance and unlucky to not take points, or where we not at races?

Ferguson has only won ten games for us at League One level, so he needs to start somehow putting teams to the sword or else we are going to struggle again.

One win in six League One games this season is below his overall average win ratio for us in League One (10 wins in 41 games) so not hugely great start this season, but the performances have shown some real positivity in spells.

Interestingly (or not) the last season that Ferguson managed in League One before us, was the 2014/15 season with Peterborough.

He left them in mid-February with the club in 15th.

His points tally?

40 points from 35 games in League One.

Again, pretty much bang on his one point per game average for us in League One (1.1 points to be precise for Peterborough that season, but what is 0.1 between friends).

So in three different seasons in League One with three different sides and two different clubs, he has consistently achieved the one point per game level.

Really quite some achievement of consistency.

[RoversAlias]

The sample size for this season is too small though. Stats can and are often skewed in their representation to fit the narrative of whoever is presenting them.

We're 6 games into the season, yet people are debating his record as if we're 36 games in. Teams sat in the bottom 6 of a division now may win it, and vice versa. That's football.

[MrFrost]

The sample size for this season is too small though. Stats can and are often skewed in their representation to fit the narrative of whoever is presenting them.

We're 6 games into the season, yet people are debating his record as if we're 36 games in. Teams sat in the bottom 6 of a division now may win it, and vice versa. That's football.

If we were averaging a point a game after 36, then there's no way he should still be manager.

[dickos1]

Let's wait until then ay? Instead of trying to write the future

[RoversAlias]

The sample size for this season is too small though. Stats can and are often skewed in their representation to fit the narrative of whoever is presenting them.

We're 6 games into the season, yet people are debating his record as if we're 36 games in. Teams sat in the bottom 6 of a division now may win it, and vice versa. That's football.

If we were averaging a point a game after 36, then there's no way he should still be manager.

Agreed, at which point you'd not find me defending him or the team's form.

Right now though, in the embryonic stages of the campaign, I think it's important not to get carried away with stats suggesting we're in for a bad season. I pay more attention to performances at this stage (SOD-style, I know) and in the five league games I've seen us in, we have performed well in four of them. With a bit more luck we'd have beaten Gillingham and Peterborough, and we'd be sat here now on 10 points rather than 6, which I expect would not leave so many posters getting carried away.

[DonnyOsmond]

We averaged the same points per game in the relegation season under all 3 managers. We clearly needed a squad rebuild which we've had and we look better for it. I think it's fair to say managers need at least 3 windows to get their squads in so they can be judged properly and once he's worked out his best strikeforce we'll look better. Lets not forget we've just come up and we've also got 4 players who'd be around the first team injured McCullough, Baudry, Kiwomya and Andrew.

I feel we'll be better when Houghton gets starting too.