Mandeville

[glosterred]

Seems he’s in Fergie bad books

'His reaction to not starting wasn't great' - Ferguson explains Liam Mandeville's absence from trip to Bury #drfc
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COYR

[DonnyOsmond]

For a player who thinks he can in the Championship he needs to pull his finger out because he's struggled since his injury in middle of last season and he might not make it in League One. He's got the potential but he needs to grow up and show it.

[GazLaz]

I can understand how players get frustrated with the constant changes of personnel.

[DonnyOsmond]

I can understand how players get frustrated with the constant changes of personnel.

But if it doesn't work and players aren't performing then it should be changed.

[RoversAlias]

He was poor last week and shouldn't expect to start every week. His physicality is the question mark on him because the technical ability he possesses is probably the best at the club except for Coppinger.

[roversdude]

Other than a couple of very short cameos I’ve failed to see why people were getting excited about his potential.
I hope he makes it but he gets eased off the ball too easily

[southwestexile]

Remember this free kick last season? Awesome

[RedJ]

He completely changed the game at Exeter, for example.

[5minstogo]

He looked a world beater in pre season but barely worth a squad place since. It's so frustrating as he obviously has talent. Maybe DF just isn't he sort of manager to bring the best out of him

[glosterred]

Sometimes a good bollocking can help get the best out of someone, or it could have them opposite effect and they could go further into their shell. Hopefully the former will happen, we will see on Tuesday, for those that go that is.


COYR

[Akinfenwa]

At the moment I'm yet to be convinced that he's even cut out for league football, let alone becoming a regular in our starting line up. I admit that I just don't get the hype at all.

For me, despite his technical ability he doesn't offer anywhere near enough from open play and he is about as immobile and static as it gets - it's like he's running through treacle. If only we could wheel him out just for penalties and free-kicks.

[anne honemous]

I wrote on this very forum that when he got a chance in the team, with all the injuries, then it was his chance to seize and stake his claim for a regular starting place.

Last week, he performed badly, so what does he expect?

He's clearly got potential, but he needs to realise that he's achieved absolutely nothing in professional football and if DF was to bomb him off right now, he'd be lucky to find another club in the Football League.

When he's made 200+ appearances or scored 100 goals, then he can consider himself an established footballer capable of having a 'career'.

Until he gets even remotely close to achieving that, he needs to keep his gob shut and abide by the manager's rules.

If he doesn't like it, then if I were him I'd be seriously considering a career in law, which is what he initially wanted to do before becoming a footballer anyway.

It's harsh words, but it's up to him if he wants to be a c*ck or not.

[Mike Winter]

People need to read Ferguson's comments again.

It seems he was playing mind games with Mandeville.

Hew dropped him because he was crap last week, and Mandeville accepted it.

Ferguson then goes onto say that he shouldn't have accepted being dropped. So he's basically saying he should have started questioning his decision, and because he didn't, he dropped him all together.

[Lesonthewest]

He has technical ability in abundance, but so did Andy Watson.

[NickDRFC]

I wrote on this very forum that when he got a chance in the team, with all the injuries, then it was his chance to seize and stake his claim for a regular starting place.

Last week, he performed badly, so what does he expect?

He's clearly got potential, but he needs to realise that he's achieved absolutely nothing in professional football and if DF was to bomb him off right now, he'd be lucky to find another club in the Football League.

When he's made 200+ appearances or scored 100 goals, then he can consider himself an established footballer capable of having a 'career'.

Until he gets even remotely close to achieving that, he needs to keep his gob shut and abide by the manager's rules.

If he doesn't like it, then if I were him I'd be seriously considering a career in law, which is what he initially wanted to do before becoming a footballer anyway.

It's harsh words, but it's up to him if he wants to be a c*ck or not.

Do you think Kylian Mbappe, Anthony Martial or Marcus Rashford are capable of having a 'career' in football? Because they don't have 100 goals between them yet.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Tough one but how can any of the strikers be expected to put a run together when they get one game to impress then out again.

[anne honemous]

I wrote on this very forum that when he got a chance in the team, with all the injuries, then it was his chance to seize and stake his claim for a regular starting place.

Last week, he performed badly, so what does he expect?

He's clearly got potential, but he needs to realise that he's achieved absolutely nothing in professional football and if DF was to bomb him off right now, he'd be lucky to find another club in the Football League.

When he's made 200+ appearances or scored 100 goals, then he can consider himself an established footballer capable of having a 'career'.

Until he gets even remotely close to achieving that, he needs to keep his gob shut and abide by the manager's rules.

If he doesn't like it, then if I were him I'd be seriously considering a career in law, which is what he initially wanted to do before becoming a footballer anyway.

It's harsh words, but it's up to him if he wants to be a c*ck or not.

Do you think Kylian Mbappe, Anthony Martial or Marcus Rashford are capable of having a 'career' in football? Because they don't have 100 goals between them yet.

They could do well, but they still have plenty to prove as well before they can consider themselves established.

If they don't have the right attitude they could also quickly go the same way as John Bostock, for example. Who'd have thought when he broke through at Palace that he'd end up abroad, not even playing top flight football.

[Draytonian III]

Manderville is not a "striker ", he is a forward, there is a load of difference.
Goal scorers ,Gary Linekear,Denis Law,Paul Heffernan.
Strikers , Teddy Sheringham, Kenny Dalglish,James Hayter.
Forwards ,Bobby Charlton,Peter Beardsley, Liam Manderville.
To get all three combined , Alan Shearer.
I'll let you put other players past and present,Rovers and non Rovers into their respective categories.

[Alan Southstand]

Not good enough........yet. He has lots of work to do imho and is miles away from being a regular in any L1 side, never mind ours. Main problems seem to be his stamina, lack of pace and physicality. Time is on his side but he has to knuckle down.

Nobody is shining up front this season, which says something about our creativity at this level. We are missing Alfie's work rate already!

[Metalmicky]

Manderville is not a "striker ", he is a forward, there is a load of difference.
Goal scorers ,Gary Linekear,Denis Law,Paul Heffernan.
Strikers , Teddy Sheringham, Kenny Dalglish,James Hayter.
Forwards ,Bobby Charlton,Peter Beardsley, Liam Manderville.
To get all three combined , Alan Shearer.
I'll let you put other players past and present,Rovers and non Rovers into their respective categories.

Gary Linekear a freudian slip...? 

I wouldn't put Manders on the same page as Bobby Charlton and Peter Beardsley, yet alone the same line...

[Draytonian III]

^^^ I was trying to explain the difference between goal scorers,strikers and forwards,not comparing them

[wing commander]

   So it would appear that DF wasn't that happy with him smiling,laughing and joking moments after finding out he was being dropped....I'm sure he was using it as a tool to get him to start to knuckle down but it does worry you he should have to do that...
    It wasn't long ago that Mandeville was scoring for fun and putting in some great performances,we had scouts at the Keepmoat every week to watch him and there was talk of big money moves to big clubs...Then he gets injured and then injured again and he hasn't looked anywhere near that player since...Things can change very quickly in football..Middleton is a recent example, came into the team and we thought we had a right player on our hands but he didn't progress and he's gone...Mandeville can still turn it around but I suspect the next year will decide the level of career he will have and it should hurt being dropped when we have such limited availability up top and it's a concern that it obviously didn't hurt enough....

[Chris Black come back]

There are not that many players you can say have improved over the last couple of seasons.

Clearly Wright has come on and potentially also Blair from when he joined.

Of rest there are sadly many who have gone backwards - Alcock, Mason, Williams, Cedric, Middleton, potentially even Marquis this season.

Anyone else that folk can see has really come on?

[The Red Baron]

Apparently Mandeville will be given the chance to redeem himself tonight. Danny Amos, Jacob Fletcher and Morgan James likely to be involved.

[wing commander]

  I certainly think Marosi has come on and Alfie May as well,l but you cant argue with that list really,although its to be expected a lot of these players started off at bigger clubs which have better class coaching and they decided that although they have talent,they only have enough to reach a certain level and they end up here and most of the time they are proved right...
    Marquis was being watched by a lot of clubs last year when he was scoring goals for fun but nobody came in with a offer we couldn't refuse and one level on,he's not watched anymore..Same with Mandeville....Copps is loved by us but despite being watched for years nobody thought he was quite good enough to play higher than he was with us....it's a familiar tale and theres lots of examples going back years..The first one million pound conference player (who never was) Andy Watson is another....Strangely it's the players that we didn't think were that great at the time who have best...Brian Deane was called Bambi on ice here and Gorgeous George wasn't rated that highly either....Shows what we know....

[selby]

  To say that he was a one man attack and scored two games ago,redeeming himself might be a bit harsh,especially considering the service him and Marquis received from our midfield against Walsall.

[selby]

  Last season Rowe and Coppinger were much more attacking in games than this season because teams did not come to park the bus as many times as they have this season.
  Blackburn,Peterborough Portsmouth,Arsenal,Bradford in the cup all confident of beating us and in good form when we played them, we played well in all those games,and looked a good side.
  Gillingham,Scunthorpe ,Walsall,Wimbledon even the second half against Bury, none of those teams showed much ambition to attack, tightly marked Rowe and Coppinger,broke up play with synical fouls
 in midfield, flooded midfield and we struggled as we did in the last six games of last season. It is not really the strikers who are at fault,the other midfield players have got to show more nouse and put themselves about a bit,to allow Coppinger and Rowe to play.

[Alan Southstand]

I agree with your summary, Selby, and if you look at what we brought in during the summer, it's obvious that there was one or two things missing for the level we were to be at. Not one of the new lads were 'experienced' at this level and none of them are physical specimens. Contrast and compare us with Blackpool and what they brought in and look at where they are in the league at the moment. We'd all like to think that most of our young lads will learn and get to grips with the challenge but I fear it's a step too far for maybe 1 or 2.

I sincerely hope we make the right moves, come January, and there's still some budget to dip into, as I fear, without experienced reinforcements, the inevitable relegation come next May.

We also need to stop 'tinkering' with systems and playing players in positions that clearly doesn't suit them. DF needs to take some responsibility on that front.

[GazLaz]

I agree with your summary, Selby, and if you look at what we brought in during the summer, it's obvious that there was one or two things missing for the level we were to be at. Not one of the new lads were 'experienced' at this level and none of them are physical specimens. Contrast and compare us with Blackpool and what they brought in and look at where they are in the league at the moment. We'd all like to think that most of our young lads will learn and get to grips with the challenge but I fear it's a step too far for maybe 1 or 2.

I sincerely hope we make the right moves, come January, and there's still some budget to dip into, as I fear, without experienced reinforcements, the inevitable relegation come next May.

We also need to stop 'tinkering' with systems and playing players in positions that clearly doesn't suit them. DF needs to take some responsibility on that front.

The standard in L1 this season is far superior to L2 last year. You are right to bring up the signings, none were proven at this level which is a big thing especially with a young squad. You would have to think that was for financial reasons.