Doncaster Rovers Ltd - accounts y/e 2017

[silent majority]

Surely asking about money is a question about the budget, how you can argue otherwise I don't know.

I don't know what the budget is do you?
Tell me the answer to how a club intend to progress by standing still in terms of finances or going backwards in terms of size of its squad.
We have very different ideas. I am ambitious and ambition involves a bit of speculation.
You on the other hand appear to be happy as long as we balance the books and acheive sustainability no matter what division we are in.

Why is the club standing still in terms of finances? The accounts show that despite a relegation to a lower league the money handed over by TB and the Watson family remained pretty consistent which was a major boost to our promotion chances and playing budget enabling us to achieve promotion at the first time of asking.

If you are as ambitious as you say you are then maybe you should be the one putting his hand in his pocket, or possibly finding another club to support, one that matches your ambitions in terms of squad size and quality.

[selby]

Red, looks like your idea of supporting a club is like getting married to a wife who spends her husbands money  on trinkets.
   Probably why the divorce rate is up.

[Cantley Rover]

Surely asking about money is a question about the budget, how you can argue otherwise I don't know.

I don't know what the budget is do you?
Tell me the answer to how a club intend to progress by standing still in terms of finances or going backwards in terms of size of its squad.
We have very different ideas. I am ambitious and ambition involves a bit of speculation.
You on the other hand appear to be happy as long as we balance the books and acheive sustainability no matter what division we are in.

Why is the club standing still in terms of finances? The accounts show that despite a relegation to a lower league the money handed over by TB and the Watson family remained pretty consistent which was a major boost to our promotion chances and playing budget enabling us to achieve promotion at the first time of asking.

If you are as ambitious as you say you are then maybe you should be the one putting his hand in his pocket, or possibly finding another club to support, one that matches your ambitions in terms of squad size and quality.

I am putting my hand in my pocket. It is also probably fair to say a great number of Rovers fans are putting a higher percentage of their yearly income into the club than members of the board.

[silent majority]

Surely asking about money is a question about the budget, how you can argue otherwise I don't know.

I don't know what the budget is do you?
Tell me the answer to how a club intend to progress by standing still in terms of finances or going backwards in terms of size of its squad.
We have very different ideas. I am ambitious and ambition involves a bit of speculation.
You on the other hand appear to be happy as long as we balance the books and acheive sustainability no matter what division we are in.

Why is the club standing still in terms of finances? The accounts show that despite a relegation to a lower league the money handed over by TB and the Watson family remained pretty consistent which was a major boost to our promotion chances and playing budget enabling us to achieve promotion at the first time of asking.

If you are as ambitious as you say you are then maybe you should be the one putting his hand in his pocket, or possibly finding another club to support, one that matches your ambitions in terms of squad size and quality.

I am putting my hand in my pocket. It is also probably fair to say a great number of Rovers fans are putting a higher percentage of their yearly income into the club than members of the board.

That's not an argument though is it? Just because you spend £300 to £400 that doesn't make you ambitious nor a speculator, nor does it give you a right to demand that our owners spend more than the £2.2m they currently do, no matter what they earn.

[Cantley Rover]

Surely asking about money is a question about the budget, how you can argue otherwise I don't know.

I don't know what the budget is do you?
Tell me the answer to how a club intend to progress by standing still in terms of finances or going backwards in terms of size of its squad.
We have very different ideas. I am ambitious and ambition involves a bit of speculation.
You on the other hand appear to be happy as long as we balance the books and acheive sustainability no matter what division we are in.

Why is the club standing still in terms of finances? The accounts show that despite a relegation to a lower league the money handed over by TB and the Watson family remained pretty consistent which was a major boost to our promotion chances and playing budget enabling us to achieve promotion at the first time of asking.

If you are as ambitious as you say you are then maybe you should be the one putting his hand in his pocket, or possibly finding another club to support, one that matches your ambitions in terms of squad size and quality.

I am putting my hand in my pocket. It is also probably fair to say a great number of Rovers fans are putting a higher percentage of their yearly income into the club than members of the board.

That's not an argument though is it? Just because you spend £300 to £400 that doesn't make you ambitious nor a speculator, nor does it give you a right to demand that our owners spend more than the £2.2m they currently do, no matter what they earn.

There is a difference however between "demanding" the directors put more money in and questioning their ambition.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Surely asking about money is a question about the budget, how you can argue otherwise I don't know.

I don't know what the budget is do you?
Tell me the answer to how a club intend to progress by standing still in terms of finances or going backwards in terms of size of its squad.
We have very different ideas. I am ambitious and ambition involves a bit of speculation.
You on the other hand appear to be happy as long as we balance the books and acheive sustainability no matter what division we are in.

Why is the club standing still in terms of finances? The accounts show that despite a relegation to a lower league the money handed over by TB and the Watson family remained pretty consistent which was a major boost to our promotion chances and playing budget enabling us to achieve promotion at the first time of asking.

If you are as ambitious as you say you are then maybe you should be the one putting his hand in his pocket, or possibly finding another club to support, one that matches your ambitions in terms of squad size and quality.

I am putting my hand in my pocket. It is also probably fair to say a great number of Rovers fans are putting a higher percentage of their yearly income into the club than members of the board.

That's not an argument though is it? Just because you spend £300 to £400 that doesn't make you ambitious nor a speculator, nor does it give you a right to demand that our owners spend more than the £2.2m they currently do, no matter what they earn.

There is a difference however between "demanding" the directors put more money in and questioning their ambition.

If you were ambitious for the club int he way you want the directors to be, you'd be giving them more than the face value of anything you buy. I bet you don't. Just paying the face value of something sold doesn't make you an investor, just a consumer. Nothing more.

[Cantley Rover]

Surely asking about money is a question about the budget, how you can argue otherwise I don't know.

I don't know what the budget is do you?
Tell me the answer to how a club intend to progress by standing still in terms of finances or going backwards in terms of size of its squad.
We have very different ideas. I am ambitious and ambition involves a bit of speculation.
You on the other hand appear to be happy as long as we balance the books and acheive sustainability no matter what division we are in.

Why is the club standing still in terms of finances? The accounts show that despite a relegation to a lower league the money handed over by TB and the Watson family remained pretty consistent which was a major boost to our promotion chances and playing budget enabling us to achieve promotion at the first time of asking.

If you are as ambitious as you say you are then maybe you should be the one putting his hand in his pocket, or possibly finding another club to support, one that matches your ambitions in terms of squad size and quality.

I am putting my hand in my pocket. It is also probably fair to say a great number of Rovers fans are putting a higher percentage of their yearly income into the club than members of the board.

That's not an argument though is it? Just because you spend £300 to £400 that doesn't make you ambitious nor a speculator, nor does it give you a right to demand that our owners spend more than the £2.2m they currently do, no matter what they earn.

There is a difference however between "demanding" the directors put more money in and questioning their ambition.

If you were ambitious for the club int he way you want the directors to be, you'd be giving them more than the face value of anything you buy. I bet you don't. Just paying the face value of something sold doesn't make you an investor, just a consumer. Nothing more.

So paying into the alliance each month makes me a consumer does it? I pay as much as I can afford to.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

This is what you tend to hear. How a number of discontents judge ambition, measuring someone's perceived wealth against the money being injected into the club year on year to support the clubs losses.

Just think for a moment, if we were not to receive that support, what would happen? There isn't a queue of genuine investors willing or able to pump in the kind of money you perceive that's needed to buy our way to promotion to the Championship.

I for one, am comfortable and grateful for their support and also believe we can achieve the objective by 'sustainable' means.

As supporters we pays our money and make our choices. I won't be chucking my pension pot at the club and I suspect TB and the Watson's won't either. That means they only are likely to have limited disposable income too.

[Cantley Rover]

This is what you tend to hear. How a number of discontents judge ambition, measuring someone's perceived wealth against the money being injected into the club year on year to support the clubs losses.

Just think for a moment, if we were not to receive that support, what would happen? There isn't a queue of genuine investors willing or able to pump in the kind of money you perceive that's needed to buy our way to promotion to the Championship.

I for one, am comfortable and grateful for their support and also believe we can achieve the objective by 'sustainable' means.

As supporters we pays our money and make our choices. I won't be chucking my pension pot at the club and I suspect TB and the Watson's won't either. That means they only are likely to have limited disposable income too.

A man who at the last count had a net worth of £425 million with limited disposable income? What planet are you on?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

So you have access to his accounts? How he chooses to spend his money is his affair just as you make your choices in life.

Alternatively, you could have other ways to fund a football club year on year. Crowdfunder?

[vaya]

This is what you tend to hear. How a number of discontents judge ambition, measuring someone's perceived wealth against the money being injected into the club year on year to support the clubs losses.

Just think for a moment, if we were not to receive that support, what would happen? There isn't a queue of genuine investors willing or able to pump in the kind of money you perceive that's needed to buy our way to promotion to the Championship.

I for one, am comfortable and grateful for their support and also believe we can achieve the objective by 'sustainable' means.

As supporters we pays our money and make our choices. I won't be chucking my pension pot at the club and I suspect TB and the Watson's won't either. That means they only are likely to have limited disposable income too.

A man who at the last count had a net worth of £425 million with limited disposable income? What planet are you on?

Ahhh. That's who it is.

[Cantley Rover]

So you have access to his accounts? How he chooses to spend his money is his affair just as you make your choices in life.

Alternatively, you could have other ways to fund a football club year on year. Crowdfunder?

You need to get out more. Have you ever heard of the Sunday Times Rich list?

[vaya]

So you have access to his accounts? How he chooses to spend his money is his affair just as you make your choices in life.

Alternatively, you could have other ways to fund a football club year on year. Crowdfunder?

You need to get out more. Have you ever heard of the Sunday Times Rich list?

Net worth isn't disposable income.

If it was, you'd probably be worth about £175,000 and would be putting in about £400.00 pa, which is pretty poor.

[Cantley Rover]

So you have access to his accounts? How he chooses to spend his money is his affair just as you make your choices in life.

Alternatively, you could have other ways to fund a football club year on year. Crowdfunder?

You need to get out more. Have you ever heard of the Sunday Times Rich list?

Net worth isn't disposable income.

If it was, you'd probably be worth about £175,000 and would be putting in about £400.00 pa, which is pretty poor.

The point raised by DBR was that he is likely to have limited disposable income.

Not sure what the point you are trying to make is.

[i_ateallthepies]

Surely asking about money is a question about the budget, how you can argue otherwise I don't know.

I don't know what the budget is do you?
Tell me the answer to how a club intend to progress by standing still in terms of finances or going backwards in terms of size of its squad.
We have very different ideas. I am ambitious and ambition involves a bit of speculation.
You on the other hand appear to be happy as long as we balance the books and acheive sustainability no matter what division we are in.

So, Cantley.  You want to others to speculate with their money to satisfy your ambition...


My God!! you are an ambitious fellow.

[vaya]

So you have access to his accounts? How he chooses to spend his money is his affair just as you make your choices in life.

Alternatively, you could have other ways to fund a football club year on year. Crowdfunder?

You need to get out more. Have you ever heard of the Sunday Times Rich list?

Net worth isn't disposable income.

If it was, you'd probably be worth about £175,000 and would be putting in about £400.00 pa, which is pretty poor.

The point raised by DBR was that he is likely to have limited disposable income.

Not sure what the point you are trying to make is.

Don't worry, I think I've made it.

[Cantley Rover]

Surely asking about money is a question about the budget, how you can argue otherwise I don't know.

I don't know what the budget is do you?
Tell me the answer to how a club intend to progress by standing still in terms of finances or going backwards in terms of size of its squad.
We have very different ideas. I am ambitious and ambition involves a bit of speculation.
You on the other hand appear to be happy as long as we balance the books and acheive sustainability no matter what division we are in.

So, Cantley.  You want to others to speculate with their money to satisfy your ambition...


My God!! you are an ambitious fellow.

I would be more interested in seeing what their ambition is. Oh I forgot they want to get into the Championship with a smaller squad and spending less money. Now that is ambitious!

[vaya]

Surely asking about money is a question about the budget, how you can argue otherwise I don't know.

I don't know what the budget is do you?
Tell me the answer to how a club intend to progress by standing still in terms of finances or going backwards in terms of size of its squad.
We have very different ideas. I am ambitious and ambition involves a bit of speculation.
You on the other hand appear to be happy as long as we balance the books and acheive sustainability no matter what division we are in.

So, Cantley.  You want to others to speculate with their money to satisfy your ambition...


My God!! you are an ambitious fellow.

I would be more interested in seeing what their ambition is. Oh I forgot they want to get into the Championship with a smaller squad and spending less money. Now that is ambitious!

How is it less money, bearing in mind you've already stated you've no idea what the budget is, so don't have a starting point for comparison.

Why are you contradicting yourself?

[RedJ]

Literally no point trying to continue as he's already made his mind up what's what despite openly admitting he has no idea.

[vaya]

I'm inclined to agree.

[selby]

   A successful club needs good leadership both on and off the field, I think we have basically got both. Our on the field improvement has been good over a long period, our off the field improvement could be  described as spectacular since our conference days.
  Contrast that with  Leeds, Portsmouth, Birmingham, Bolton, Sunderland, Derby County, Coventry City, Glasgow Rangers And others who in some cases are lucky to still be alive and kicking, mostly because at some point they have overspent and  been ambitious, chasing a dream they could not afford.
  In every case the only people to suffer have been the supporters, the players, the management, mostly just leave and get a better job elsewhere.
  Nobody wants us to do well on the field more than me, but football has a way of costing more money than anything else I know when things are not run the correct way, and not many managers will not spend whatever they are given without a thought.
   Financial leadership comes from the board, the manager runs the teams, and i expect the board to be prudent enough not to endanger the clubs sustainability, and thank them for the  funds they inject every season to keep us competitive at our level whatever that is.
   

[idler]

There's one thing for sure, I'm not going to spend the whole close season worrying about something that I can't influence.

[darren61]

There's one thing for sure, I'm not going to spend the whole close season worrying about something that I can't influence.

 Absolutely right Idler, i shall be attempting to enjoy the world cup and leaving to worrying to the manager. COYR