George Galloway's Workers Party Of Britain

[scawsby steve]

Even under Corbyn as Billy points out when push came to shove the metropolitan remainers in the Labour Party won the day on Brexit over the former red wall .

You have to consider where Labour's support is today. It is increasingly young, metropolitan, highly educated, internationalist in outlook.

We saw 15 months ago what happened when Corbyn tried to take Labour in a nationalist/Brexit supporting line. Labour's poll support dropped from 40% to 20% in 3 months.

The people who claim that "Labour lost the 2019 Election because of being seen to support Remain" entirely ignore what would have happened if they had overtly supported Leave. I'll give you my two pennorth. Labour would have been lucky to win 100 seats last December.

For a man of your intellect and knowledge, that last paragraph is incredibly lacking in logic, and contradicts what all the political experts were saying before and after the Election.

The Labour Party got absolutely thrashed against one of the worst governments this country's ever seen, and you say, against common knowledge, that it had nothing to do with their anti-Brexit stance.

So if it wasn't Brexit, what on Earth was it?

[DonnyOsmond]

[scawsby steve]

Here we go again; stats and figures to prove some agenda. 496 people? Representative of the country?

Try listening to TV and Radio news channels, to people being interviewed all over the country, and political experts giving their opinions.

Based on all that, I told you all on here what would happen, and why it would happen. Why are you all in denial about it?

[wilts rover]

Voters who voted Lab in 2017 but not in 2019 were asked to list the main reason for their vote. The results were:

34% ~ To get Brexit done
18% ~ To stop Brexit
14% ~ NHS & public services
10% ~ Policies
  6% ~ Economy
  5% ~ Corbyn

What about the voters we lost to the Tories? Did they really vote Tory just to get Brexit done?

Yes. The results were:

71% ~ To get Brexit done
  8% ~ Economy
  6% ~ Policies
  6% ~ NHS & public services
  2% ~ Corbyn

Via @JLPartnersPolls, 12 December 2019

https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1279025533116956676

[BillyStubbsTears]

Even under Corbyn as Billy points out when push came to shove the metropolitan remainers in the Labour Party won the day on Brexit over the former red wall .

You have to consider where Labour's support is today. It is increasingly young, metropolitan, highly educated, internationalist in outlook.

We saw 15 months ago what happened when Corbyn tried to take Labour in a nationalist/Brexit supporting line. Labour's poll support dropped from 40% to 20% in 3 months.

The people who claim that "Labour lost the 2019 Election because of being seen to support Remain" entirely ignore what would have happened if they had overtly supported Leave. I'll give you my two pennorth. Labour would have been lucky to win 100 seats last December.

For a man of your intellect and knowledge, that last paragraph is incredibly lacking in logic, and contradicts what all the political experts were saying before and after the Election.

The Labour Party got absolutely thrashed against one of the worst governments this country's ever seen, and you say, against common knowledge, that it had nothing to do with their anti-Brexit stance.

So if it wasn't Brexit, what on Earth was it?

You obviously haven't listened to what I said about Corbyn ever since the 2017 election.

Corbyn pulled off a masterstroke in 2017. He managed to sideline Brexit as an issue. He somehow managed to convince both Labour Remainers and Labour leavers that he was on both their sides.

That was a superb trick, but it could never work in 2019. I said consistently from 2017 that the Corbynistas were deluding themselves if they thought he could sideline Brexit as an issue once it came to the crunch and he had to state which side he was on. Corbynistas wanted to point to 2017 as proof that Brexit didn't matter. What they totally failed to get was that it didn't matter THEN, but it was going to be the only thing that mattered in a subsequent election.

The coalition he had built in the 2017 campaign was a fragile one. Many, many people from both sides of the party put their position on Brexit above their position as Labour supporters.  But it is a simple fact that in 2017, the split between Labour voters who idnetified as Remain and Leave was about 3, maybe 4 to 1.

And when Corbyn started leaning towards overtly supporting Leave from Xmas 2018, the Labour Remain support collapsed. They lost 6 million supporters to the Greens and LDs in the space of 4 months, according to polls. If Labour's support had remained at 20% which is where it was this time last year, there wouldn't have been 100 Labour MPs in the 2019 election. The only way they were going to get that support back was by appealing back to the lost Labour Remainers.

And yes, of course, that hurt them in the Red Wall.

But to say "Labour lost the Red Wall because of supporting Remain, therefore supporting Remain was wrong" is an infantile analysis.

Labour's fundamental problem was a misinterpretation of what the 2017 result meant. The Corbynistas took to to mean that people had voted for Corbyn because they enthusiastically supported him.

b*llocks.

They voted for Corbyn in 2017, because he had reassured them that he was on their side over Brexit and therefore they were prepared to vote for a left-economic party.

Once he had to tell some or other people that he wasn't on their side over Brexit, he was going to lose them. The failing was in not building up a stronger support throughout the Labour movement that could have transcended people's Brexit self-identification.

[scawsby steve]

Even under Corbyn as Billy points out when push came to shove the metropolitan remainers in the Labour Party won the day on Brexit over the former red wall .

You have to consider where Labour's support is today. It is increasingly young, metropolitan, highly educated, internationalist in outlook.

We saw 15 months ago what happened when Corbyn tried to take Labour in a nationalist/Brexit supporting line. Labour's poll support dropped from 40% to 20% in 3 months.

The people who claim that "Labour lost the 2019 Election because of being seen to support Remain" entirely ignore what would have happened if they had overtly supported Leave. I'll give you my two pennorth. Labour would have been lucky to win 100 seats last December.

For a man of your intellect and knowledge, that last paragraph is incredibly lacking in logic, and contradicts what all the political experts were saying before and after the Election.

The Labour Party got absolutely thrashed against one of the worst governments this country's ever seen, and you say, against common knowledge, that it had nothing to do with their anti-Brexit stance.

So if it wasn't Brexit, what on Earth was it?

You obviously haven't listened to what I said about Corbyn ever since the 2017 election.

Corbyn pulled off a masterstroke in 2017. He managed to sideline Brexit as an issue. He somehow managed to convince both Labour Remainers and Labour leavers that he was on both their sides.

That was a superb trick, but it could never work in 2019. I said consistently from 2017 that the Corbynistas were deluding themselves if they thought he could sideline Brexit as an issue once it came to the crunch and he had to state which side he was on. Corbynistas wanted to point to 2017 as proof that Brexit didn't matter. What they totally failed to get was that it didn't matter THEN, but it was going to be the only thing that mattered in a subsequent election.

The coalition he had built in the 2017 campaign was a fragile one. Many, many people from both sides of the party put their position on Brexit above their position as Labour supporters.  But it is a simple fact that in 2017, the split between Labour voters who idnetified as Remain and Leave was about 3, maybe 4 to 1.

And when Corbyn started leaning towards overtly supporting Leave from Xmas 2018, the Labour Remain support collapsed. They lost 6 million supporters to the Greens and LDs in the space of 4 months, according to polls. If Labour's support had remained at 20% which is where it was this time last year, there wouldn't have been 100 Labour MPs in the 2019 election. The only way they were going to get that support back was by appealing back to the lost Labour Remainers.

And yes, of course, that hurt them in the Red Wall.

But to say "Labour lost the Red Wall because of supporting Remain, therefore supporting Remain was wrong" is an infantile analysis.

Labour's fundamental problem was a misinterpretation of what the 2017 result meant. The Corbynistas took to to mean that people had voted for Corbyn because they enthusiastically supported him.

b*llocks.

They voted for Corbyn in 2017, because he had reassured them that he was on their side over Brexit and therefore they were prepared to vote for a left-economic party.

Once he had to tell some or other people that he wasn't on their side over Brexit, he was going to lose them. The failing was in not building up a stronger support throughout the Labour movement that could have transcended people's Brexit self-identification.

You're a man of polls BST. What do you think of the poll that Wilts has put up?

[DonnyOsmond]

Here we go again; stats and figures to prove some agenda. 496 people? Representative of the country?

Try listening to TV and Radio news channels, to people being interviewed all over the country, and political experts giving their opinions.

Based on all that, I told you all on here what would happen, and why it would happen. Why are you all in denial about it?

I'm not in denial about anything, Brexits second on that list? Have you heard nearly 500 people on TV and radio interviewed?

[DonnyOsmond]

Even under Corbyn as Billy points out when push came to shove the metropolitan remainers in the Labour Party won the day on Brexit over the former red wall .

You have to consider where Labour's support is today. It is increasingly young, metropolitan, highly educated, internationalist in outlook.

We saw 15 months ago what happened when Corbyn tried to take Labour in a nationalist/Brexit supporting line. Labour's poll support dropped from 40% to 20% in 3 months.

The people who claim that "Labour lost the 2019 Election because of being seen to support Remain" entirely ignore what would have happened if they had overtly supported Leave. I'll give you my two pennorth. Labour would have been lucky to win 100 seats last December.

For a man of your intellect and knowledge, that last paragraph is incredibly lacking in logic, and contradicts what all the political experts were saying before and after the Election.

The Labour Party got absolutely thrashed against one of the worst governments this country's ever seen, and you say, against common knowledge, that it had nothing to do with their anti-Brexit stance.

So if it wasn't Brexit, what on Earth was it?

You obviously haven't listened to what I said about Corbyn ever since the 2017 election.

Corbyn pulled off a masterstroke in 2017. He managed to sideline Brexit as an issue. He somehow managed to convince both Labour Remainers and Labour leavers that he was on both their sides.

That was a superb trick, but it could never work in 2019. I said consistently from 2017 that the Corbynistas were deluding themselves if they thought he could sideline Brexit as an issue once it came to the crunch and he had to state which side he was on. Corbynistas wanted to point to 2017 as proof that Brexit didn't matter. What they totally failed to get was that it didn't matter THEN, but it was going to be the only thing that mattered in a subsequent election.

The coalition he had built in the 2017 campaign was a fragile one. Many, many people from both sides of the party put their position on Brexit above their position as Labour supporters.  But it is a simple fact that in 2017, the split between Labour voters who idnetified as Remain and Leave was about 3, maybe 4 to 1.

And when Corbyn started leaning towards overtly supporting Leave from Xmas 2018, the Labour Remain support collapsed. They lost 6 million supporters to the Greens and LDs in the space of 4 months, according to polls. If Labour's support had remained at 20% which is where it was this time last year, there wouldn't have been 100 Labour MPs in the 2019 election. The only way they were going to get that support back was by appealing back to the lost Labour Remainers.

And yes, of course, that hurt them in the Red Wall.

But to say "Labour lost the Red Wall because of supporting Remain, therefore supporting Remain was wrong" is an infantile analysis.

Labour's fundamental problem was a misinterpretation of what the 2017 result meant. The Corbynistas took to to mean that people had voted for Corbyn because they enthusiastically supported him.

b*llocks.

They voted for Corbyn in 2017, because he had reassured them that he was on their side over Brexit and therefore they were prepared to vote for a left-economic party.

Once he had to tell some or other people that he wasn't on their side over Brexit, he was going to lose them. The failing was in not building up a stronger support throughout the Labour movement that could have transcended people's Brexit self-identification.

You're a man of polls BST. What do you think of the poll that Wilts has put up?

Are you more accepting of that one because it fits with your agenda despite having a smaller sample size than the one I put?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Even under Corbyn as Billy points out when push came to shove the metropolitan remainers in the Labour Party won the day on Brexit over the former red wall .

You have to consider where Labour's support is today. It is increasingly young, metropolitan, highly educated, internationalist in outlook.

We saw 15 months ago what happened when Corbyn tried to take Labour in a nationalist/Brexit supporting line. Labour's poll support dropped from 40% to 20% in 3 months.

The people who claim that "Labour lost the 2019 Election because of being seen to support Remain" entirely ignore what would have happened if they had overtly supported Leave. I'll give you my two pennorth. Labour would have been lucky to win 100 seats last December.

For a man of your intellect and knowledge, that last paragraph is incredibly lacking in logic, and contradicts what all the political experts were saying before and after the Election.

The Labour Party got absolutely thrashed against one of the worst governments this country's ever seen, and you say, against common knowledge, that it had nothing to do with their anti-Brexit stance.

So if it wasn't Brexit, what on Earth was it?

You obviously haven't listened to what I said about Corbyn ever since the 2017 election.

Corbyn pulled off a masterstroke in 2017. He managed to sideline Brexit as an issue. He somehow managed to convince both Labour Remainers and Labour leavers that he was on both their sides.

That was a superb trick, but it could never work in 2019. I said consistently from 2017 that the Corbynistas were deluding themselves if they thought he could sideline Brexit as an issue once it came to the crunch and he had to state which side he was on. Corbynistas wanted to point to 2017 as proof that Brexit didn't matter. What they totally failed to get was that it didn't matter THEN, but it was going to be the only thing that mattered in a subsequent election.

The coalition he had built in the 2017 campaign was a fragile one. Many, many people from both sides of the party put their position on Brexit above their position as Labour supporters.  But it is a simple fact that in 2017, the split between Labour voters who idnetified as Remain and Leave was about 3, maybe 4 to 1.

And when Corbyn started leaning towards overtly supporting Leave from Xmas 2018, the Labour Remain support collapsed. They lost 6 million supporters to the Greens and LDs in the space of 4 months, according to polls. If Labour's support had remained at 20% which is where it was this time last year, there wouldn't have been 100 Labour MPs in the 2019 election. The only way they were going to get that support back was by appealing back to the lost Labour Remainers.

And yes, of course, that hurt them in the Red Wall.

But to say "Labour lost the Red Wall because of supporting Remain, therefore supporting Remain was wrong" is an infantile analysis.

Labour's fundamental problem was a misinterpretation of what the 2017 result meant. The Corbynistas took to to mean that people had voted for Corbyn because they enthusiastically supported him.

b*llocks.

They voted for Corbyn in 2017, because he had reassured them that he was on their side over Brexit and therefore they were prepared to vote for a left-economic party.

Once he had to tell some or other people that he wasn't on their side over Brexit, he was going to lose them. The failing was in not building up a stronger support throughout the Labour movement that could have transcended people's Brexit self-identification.

You're a man of polls BST. What do you think of the poll that Wilts has put up?

Did you actually read anything I wrote?

[scawsby steve]

Even under Corbyn as Billy points out when push came to shove the metropolitan remainers in the Labour Party won the day on Brexit over the former red wall .

You have to consider where Labour's support is today. It is increasingly young, metropolitan, highly educated, internationalist in outlook.

We saw 15 months ago what happened when Corbyn tried to take Labour in a nationalist/Brexit supporting line. Labour's poll support dropped from 40% to 20% in 3 months.

The people who claim that "Labour lost the 2019 Election because of being seen to support Remain" entirely ignore what would have happened if they had overtly supported Leave. I'll give you my two pennorth. Labour would have been lucky to win 100 seats last December.

For a man of your intellect and knowledge, that last paragraph is incredibly lacking in logic, and contradicts what all the political experts were saying before and after the Election.

The Labour Party got absolutely thrashed against one of the worst governments this country's ever seen, and you say, against common knowledge, that it had nothing to do with their anti-Brexit stance.

So if it wasn't Brexit, what on Earth was it?

You obviously haven't listened to what I said about Corbyn ever since the 2017 election.

Corbyn pulled off a masterstroke in 2017. He managed to sideline Brexit as an issue. He somehow managed to convince both Labour Remainers and Labour leavers that he was on both their sides.

That was a superb trick, but it could never work in 2019. I said consistently from 2017 that the Corbynistas were deluding themselves if they thought he could sideline Brexit as an issue once it came to the crunch and he had to state which side he was on. Corbynistas wanted to point to 2017 as proof that Brexit didn't matter. What they totally failed to get was that it didn't matter THEN, but it was going to be the only thing that mattered in a subsequent election.

The coalition he had built in the 2017 campaign was a fragile one. Many, many people from both sides of the party put their position on Brexit above their position as Labour supporters.  But it is a simple fact that in 2017, the split between Labour voters who idnetified as Remain and Leave was about 3, maybe 4 to 1.

And when Corbyn started leaning towards overtly supporting Leave from Xmas 2018, the Labour Remain support collapsed. They lost 6 million supporters to the Greens and LDs in the space of 4 months, according to polls. If Labour's support had remained at 20% which is where it was this time last year, there wouldn't have been 100 Labour MPs in the 2019 election. The only way they were going to get that support back was by appealing back to the lost Labour Remainers.

And yes, of course, that hurt them in the Red Wall.

But to say "Labour lost the Red Wall because of supporting Remain, therefore supporting Remain was wrong" is an infantile analysis.

Labour's fundamental problem was a misinterpretation of what the 2017 result meant. The Corbynistas took to to mean that people had voted for Corbyn because they enthusiastically supported him.

b*llocks.

They voted for Corbyn in 2017, because he had reassured them that he was on their side over Brexit and therefore they were prepared to vote for a left-economic party.

Once he had to tell some or other people that he wasn't on their side over Brexit, he was going to lose them. The failing was in not building up a stronger support throughout the Labour movement that could have transcended people's Brexit self-identification.

You're a man of polls BST. What do you think of the poll that Wilts has put up?

Are you more accepting of that one because it fits with your agenda despite having a smaller sample size than the one I put?

Agenda? The whole f*cking country knows that Labour lost because of Brexit. What planet are you living on?

[scawsby steve]

Even under Corbyn as Billy points out when push came to shove the metropolitan remainers in the Labour Party won the day on Brexit over the former red wall .

You have to consider where Labour's support is today. It is increasingly young, metropolitan, highly educated, internationalist in outlook.

We saw 15 months ago what happened when Corbyn tried to take Labour in a nationalist/Brexit supporting line. Labour's poll support dropped from 40% to 20% in 3 months.

The people who claim that "Labour lost the 2019 Election because of being seen to support Remain" entirely ignore what would have happened if they had overtly supported Leave. I'll give you my two pennorth. Labour would have been lucky to win 100 seats last December.

For a man of your intellect and knowledge, that last paragraph is incredibly lacking in logic, and contradicts what all the political experts were saying before and after the Election.

The Labour Party got absolutely thrashed against one of the worst governments this country's ever seen, and you say, against common knowledge, that it had nothing to do with their anti-Brexit stance.

So if it wasn't Brexit, what on Earth was it?

You obviously haven't listened to what I said about Corbyn ever since the 2017 election.

Corbyn pulled off a masterstroke in 2017. He managed to sideline Brexit as an issue. He somehow managed to convince both Labour Remainers and Labour leavers that he was on both their sides.

That was a superb trick, but it could never work in 2019. I said consistently from 2017 that the Corbynistas were deluding themselves if they thought he could sideline Brexit as an issue once it came to the crunch and he had to state which side he was on. Corbynistas wanted to point to 2017 as proof that Brexit didn't matter. What they totally failed to get was that it didn't matter THEN, but it was going to be the only thing that mattered in a subsequent election.

The coalition he had built in the 2017 campaign was a fragile one. Many, many people from both sides of the party put their position on Brexit above their position as Labour supporters.  But it is a simple fact that in 2017, the split between Labour voters who idnetified as Remain and Leave was about 3, maybe 4 to 1.

And when Corbyn started leaning towards overtly supporting Leave from Xmas 2018, the Labour Remain support collapsed. They lost 6 million supporters to the Greens and LDs in the space of 4 months, according to polls. If Labour's support had remained at 20% which is where it was this time last year, there wouldn't have been 100 Labour MPs in the 2019 election. The only way they were going to get that support back was by appealing back to the lost Labour Remainers.

And yes, of course, that hurt them in the Red Wall.

But to say "Labour lost the Red Wall because of supporting Remain, therefore supporting Remain was wrong" is an infantile analysis.

Labour's fundamental problem was a misinterpretation of what the 2017 result meant. The Corbynistas took to to mean that people had voted for Corbyn because they enthusiastically supported him.

b*llocks.

They voted for Corbyn in 2017, because he had reassured them that he was on their side over Brexit and therefore they were prepared to vote for a left-economic party.

Once he had to tell some or other people that he wasn't on their side over Brexit, he was going to lose them. The failing was in not building up a stronger support throughout the Labour movement that could have transcended people's Brexit self-identification.

You're a man of polls BST. What do you think of the poll that Wilts has put up?

Did you actually read anything I wrote?

Of course I did. I just don't agree with it. Does that come as a shock to you, that someone should disagree with you?

[DonnyOsmond]

Even under Corbyn as Billy points out when push came to shove the metropolitan remainers in the Labour Party won the day on Brexit over the former red wall .

You have to consider where Labour's support is today. It is increasingly young, metropolitan, highly educated, internationalist in outlook.

We saw 15 months ago what happened when Corbyn tried to take Labour in a nationalist/Brexit supporting line. Labour's poll support dropped from 40% to 20% in 3 months.

The people who claim that "Labour lost the 2019 Election because of being seen to support Remain" entirely ignore what would have happened if they had overtly supported Leave. I'll give you my two pennorth. Labour would have been lucky to win 100 seats last December.

For a man of your intellect and knowledge, that last paragraph is incredibly lacking in logic, and contradicts what all the political experts were saying before and after the Election.

The Labour Party got absolutely thrashed against one of the worst governments this country's ever seen, and you say, against common knowledge, that it had nothing to do with their anti-Brexit stance.

So if it wasn't Brexit, what on Earth was it?

You obviously haven't listened to what I said about Corbyn ever since the 2017 election.

Corbyn pulled off a masterstroke in 2017. He managed to sideline Brexit as an issue. He somehow managed to convince both Labour Remainers and Labour leavers that he was on both their sides.

That was a superb trick, but it could never work in 2019. I said consistently from 2017 that the Corbynistas were deluding themselves if they thought he could sideline Brexit as an issue once it came to the crunch and he had to state which side he was on. Corbynistas wanted to point to 2017 as proof that Brexit didn't matter. What they totally failed to get was that it didn't matter THEN, but it was going to be the only thing that mattered in a subsequent election.

The coalition he had built in the 2017 campaign was a fragile one. Many, many people from both sides of the party put their position on Brexit above their position as Labour supporters.  But it is a simple fact that in 2017, the split between Labour voters who idnetified as Remain and Leave was about 3, maybe 4 to 1.

And when Corbyn started leaning towards overtly supporting Leave from Xmas 2018, the Labour Remain support collapsed. They lost 6 million supporters to the Greens and LDs in the space of 4 months, according to polls. If Labour's support had remained at 20% which is where it was this time last year, there wouldn't have been 100 Labour MPs in the 2019 election. The only way they were going to get that support back was by appealing back to the lost Labour Remainers.

And yes, of course, that hurt them in the Red Wall.

But to say "Labour lost the Red Wall because of supporting Remain, therefore supporting Remain was wrong" is an infantile analysis.

Labour's fundamental problem was a misinterpretation of what the 2017 result meant. The Corbynistas took to to mean that people had voted for Corbyn because they enthusiastically supported him.

b*llocks.

They voted for Corbyn in 2017, because he had reassured them that he was on their side over Brexit and therefore they were prepared to vote for a left-economic party.

Once he had to tell some or other people that he wasn't on their side over Brexit, he was going to lose them. The failing was in not building up a stronger support throughout the Labour movement that could have transcended people's Brexit self-identification.

You're a man of polls BST. What do you think of the poll that Wilts has put up?

Are you more accepting of that one because it fits with your agenda despite having a smaller sample size than the one I put?

Agenda? The whole f*cking country knows that Labour lost because of Brexit. What planet are you living on?

You: 496 isn't representative of the country.

Also you: 137 for poll 1 and 57 for poll 2 is representative of the country. 

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.

I've no idea whether you agree with me or not. You didn't address anything I said, but asked me a question I'd already answered.

If you are on a WUM trip, you can try some other sucker. I've got too much other shit going on at the moment to indulge you.

[tyke1962]

Maybe they didn't leave the Labour Party at all .

Maybe the Labour Party simply left them .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Maybe they didn't leave the Labour Party at all .

Maybe the Labour Party simply left them .

Does that apply to the 6 million Labour supporters who stopped supporting them in the first 4 months of 2019 Tyke?

[tyke1962]

Maybe they didn't leave the Labour Party at all .

Maybe the Labour Party simply left them .

Does that apply to the 6 million Labour supporters who stopped supporting them in the first 4 months of 2019 Tyke?

Probably not but I'm referring to the former red wall Billy .

Let's imagine for a minute that the red wall becomes an area of marginal seats , let's imagine that the keys to the door of number 10 lies in winning this area .

This isn't now beyond the realms of possibility .

My point is that Labour are going to have to start acknowledging this area far greater than they have in relatively modern times .

Would the tories simply falling on their sword be enough to convince them that they should come back to the party ? .

Did the red wall lend the tories their vote just to get brexit done and will return or does this go far deeper ?

I've lived long enough and I've lived it in this area all my life and I know as well as your good self that once you pyss folk off they are stubborn buggas and don't particularly care for being taken for fools .

Months of being furloughed has given me the chance to talk to people around where I live , folk previously I'd never spoken to before , it's a decent area but folk tend to keep themselves to themselves .

Politics isn't a conversation that's hard to strike up in a situation like we are experiencing and you mention the Labour Party and they simply shake their heads .

I'm not saying my area speaks for the whole red wall by any means but given the way the tories have handled the pandemic you'd imagine folk would be seething with rage , they aren't and what's more where I live its an older generation that live around here who are more likely to vote and most certainly were traditional Labour voters .

It's only a small sample I'll admit but it's concerning none the less .

[Tommy A]

Am I misunderstanding something here?

This graph states that it represents the percentages of a poll but adds up to 117. When I went to school any % table had to add up to 100.

If my point is correct then the chart and, by inference, the whole of the data has no credibility.

[idler]

Actually it has been approved by both Priti Patel and Diane Abbott so it must be OK.

[Metalmicky]

Actually it has been approved by both Priti Patel and Diane Abbott so it must be OK.

Spat my coffee out at that..... well played sir.

[Herbert Anchovy]

As a resident Londoner for almost 40 years (Christ, how has that happened?) it’s interesting to consider the different perspectives North & South. When I speak to friends down here about Labours defeat, most put it down to a mixture of Economic policy or Tactical voting. When I speak to friends back in Yorkshire, it tends to be Brexit and/or a dislike of Corbyn.

Regarding Brexit specifically, people I speak to down here feel that Labour should have been much more vociferous about their desire to Remain in the EU, but don’t really seem to appreciate, or care, that for many outside the metropolitan bubble (because that’s increasingly what London is becoming) the opposite is the case.

Looking at the future, I think there’s cautious hope for a Keir Starmer but he does have an awfully big job on his hands converting those Northern Tory voters back to Labour.

[scawsby steve]

As a resident Londoner for almost 40 years (Christ, how has that happened?) it’s interesting to consider the different perspectives North & South. When I speak to friends down here about Labours defeat, most put it down to a mixture of Economic policy or Tactical voting. When I speak to friends back in Yorkshire, it tends to be Brexit and/or a dislike of Corbyn.

Regarding Brexit specifically, people I speak to down here feel that Labour should have been much more vociferous about their desire to Remain in the EU, but don’t really seem to appreciate, or care, that for many outside the metropolitan bubble (because that’s increasingly what London is becoming) the opposite is the case.

Looking at the future, I think there’s cautious hope for a Keir Starmer but he does have an awfully big job on his hands converting those Northern Tory voters back to Labour.

Good post Herbert.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Does he really have such a big job? According to Peter Keller, the polls suggest he's done it already.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=277250.0