Never let it be said..

[BillyStubbsTears]

...that right wing talk show hosts are batshit headbangers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47201923

Germs aren't real because you can't see them. JFW...

[Bentley Bullet]

Mmm, BBC again!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Quoting words. That came out of someone's mouth. On video.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Course, you could also see the same story reported in the Mail.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://news.sky.com/story/amp/tv-host-pete-hegseth-germs-arent-real-so-i-havent-washed-my-hands-in-a-decade-11634378&ved=2ahUKEwjS-fucorTgAhUpShUIHeD6BN8QiJQBMAB6BAgIEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ie0YK3ede9En9zp-P_fLK&ampcf=1

On Sky.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://news.sky.com/story/amp/tv-host-pete-hegseth-germs-arent-real-so-i-havent-washed-my-hands-in-a-decade-11634378&ved=2ahUKEwjS-fucorTgAhUpShUIHeD6BN8QiJQBMAB6BAgIEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ie0YK3ede9En9zp-P_fLK&ampcf=1

In the Evening Standard.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/fox-news-host-pete-hegseth-says-he-hasnt-washed-his-hands-in-10-years-because-he-doesnt-believe-in-a4063741.html%3Famp&ved=2ahUKEwjS-fucorTgAhUpShUIHeD6BN8Q0PADMAN6BAgIEBA&usg=AOvVaw0iWy7Cse62jJvBoudLuUZv&ampcf=1

On Yahoo News
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-host-says-hasn-172802752.html&ved=0ahUKEwjkkIHsorTgAhUUsXEKHeTRAUgQqQIIQigAMAU&usg=AOvVaw05Cs60YhLlS4YE8q2NpXiB

And in loads of other places.

Or, you could make some pointlesz comment about the BBC that adds nothing of any merit to any discussion.

Your call.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Strangely, one place that doesn't seem to be reporting the fact that a Fox News political presenter is demonstrably away with the f**king fairies is...Fox News.

Odd, that.

[Bentley Bullet]

So you've found some shit that suits your agenda, and one that doesn't - but, of course, the Daily Mail is a f**king disgrace to democracy!

You just couldn't make it up!

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's not hard BB

What you do, is look beyond the headline and see what the facts behind it are.

I've told you several times, I would not EVER trust the Mail, because I know from personal experience that they deliberately and wilfully mislead their readers on a story that involved me personally. So after that, I work on the principle that they ALWAYS mislead people unless I see evidence to the contrary.

In this case, there are numerous other news outlets telling the same story. There are videos showing the man in question saying the very things that the Mail says he said. So I accept that the Mail is probably not misleading it's readers here.

It's not THAT hard to follow, is it? Surely not?

[Bentley Bullet]

No mate, your agenda is very easy to follow if you can stay awake long enough.

[bobjimwilly]

Even if people have an agenda, you can't argue with facts. That is the most dangerous thing in this political climate - people are preferring opinions to facts.

[Bentley Bullet]

Political 'facts' are often in the eye of the believer.

[RobTheRover]

You are making a tit of yourself now, Bentley, mate. I'd leave it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Biggest battle of the upcoming years. Saving the concept of objective truth.

The last 3-400 years, since The Enlightenment, have seen the greatest development of the human race in all history. Because we learned to value objective truth and objective judgement over unsupported belief and prejudice.

The internet has the potential to give that process a massive boost. Or to be subverted.

There are people out there who stand to get a lot of power and make a lot of money by persuading you that there is no such thing as objective truth, and that you can believe what you want to believe and that evidence that argues differently to your beliefs can and should be ignored. Traditional media barons have always done that, but the potential to subvert objective truth in the internet age is on a different scale.

Frankly, it's terrifying. This is far bigger than Brexit. Far bigger than Labour vs Tories. And every one of us has a responsibility to face up to this and think about it seriously.

There ARE things that are true. There ARE things that are lies.

There are things that are deliberately designed to mislead. There are things which are deliberately designed to inform.

There are ways of separating the two. But it takes effort.

If you make that effort, you're part of the solution.

If you simply dismiss everything as lies, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

[Bentley Bullet]

Political 'facts' are often in the eye of the believer.

You are making a tit of yourself now, Bentley, mate. I'd leave it.

So people who read newspapers don't often take what is said as fact? Not even Daily Mail readers?

[RobTheRover]

Not saying that.  I was referring to the insistence on denying the facts, no matter how widely reported and universally verified.