At what point.....

[Bentley Bullet]

My point is he's given the chance to work through lean periods without being dropped/subbed whereas players around him aren't. If it's such a good policy why aren't other players allowed to work through lean periods?

[since-1969]

You can’t win this argument!!

I know it feels like an argument but it’s not....I have asked a valid question ..
yet no one has answered it ...”” at what point does Marquis get subbed “”

It should be WHEN !!

[selby]

 I will answer the Question, No he should not get substituted for missing a chance, because his all round game as an attacker is so much better than the other players who play in central forward positions.
  He is  strong enough to hold the ball up with his back to goal, he is a good enough player to bring wide men into the game, and he runs the diagonal runs well, and scores different types of goals, shots from outside the box with both feet, tap ins,  and headers as well.
  That is why he gets more chances to score, and miss than all our other strikers, and why the manager is reluctant to take him off, nobody else on our books can do his job, they are not as good as him, and why other teams will pay a transfer fee for his services.

[Bentley Bullet]

So what happens when he gets injured or suspended then? Shouldn't we have an emergency replacement in our ranks?

[andysly]

How would he react to being taken off ?
My guess is the next game he’d be wanting to prove a point.
Though he could just as easily have a massive sulk

[sha66y]

I will answer the Question, No he should not get substituted for missing a chance, because his all round game as an attacker is so much better than the other players who play in central forward positions.
  He is  strong enough to hold the ball up with his back to goal, he is a good enough player to bring wide men into the game, and he runs the diagonal runs well, and scores different types of goals, shots from outside the box with both feet, tap ins,  and headers as well.
  That is why he gets more chances to score, and miss than all our other strikers, and why the manager is reluctant to take him off, nobody else on our books can do his job, they are not as good as him, and why other teams will pay a transfer fee for his services.

How will we ever know how good a different front 3 would ever be .... ??

I don’t dispute JMs qualities, I merely asked what would be the criteria for him to be subbed, other than injury....because it’s very clear that perseverance has no limiting parameters ...... unless we are taking set pieces poorly ....lol...

[since-1969]

Players must on occasions think it just not Johns day and won’t another alternative.

[selby]

  BB, you pick Smith or Sadlier.

[sha66y]

I’d go with Smith, Wilkes, Copps...

But I’m sure some will see the negatives that I’ve overlooked....

[Draytonian III]

If he is subbed who plays in a “ front three “
? Three from Wilks,Sadlier,Smith,May and Coppinger ?  Or maybe Longbottom seeing he scored the 3rd out of 4 for Gainsborough against North Ferriby. We are all a bit annoyed that we didn’t win, but have a reality check, John Marquis is going to become the first Doncaster Rovers player to score 20 league goals in the third tier of English football.

[sha66y]

If he is subbed who plays in a “ front three “
? Three from Wilks,Sadlier,Smith,May and Coppinger ?  Or maybe Longbottom seeing he scored the 3rd out of 4 for Gainsborough against North Ferriby. We are all a bit annoyed that we didn’t win, but have a reality check, John Marquis is going to become the first Doncaster Rovers player to score 20 league goals in the third tier of English football.

That’s not really helped the debate along....but thank you for involving some good old stats.....

[tommy toes]

I will answer the Question, No he should not get substituted for missing a chance, because his all round game as an attacker is so much better than the other players who play in central forward positions.
  He is  strong enough to hold the ball up with his back to goal, he is a good enough player to bring wide men into the game, and he runs the diagonal runs well, and scores different types of goals, shots from outside the box with both feet, tap ins,  and headers as well.
  That is why he gets more chances to score, and miss than all our other strikers, and why the manager is reluctant to take him off, nobody else on our books can do his job, they are not as good as him, and why other teams will pay a transfer fee for his services.

For me it was  nothing to do with the missed chance today. All the positIves you quote in your post weren't there today.
He wasn't holding the ball up. He continuously lost possession and didnt xcause them any problems especially in the second half. It was a truly awful showing from JM and he should have been substituted for the last 25 mins at least

[Bentley Bullet]

At the end of the day we should trust McCann to know more than us about team selection, and accept what we sometimes feel are strange decisions. I'm sure McCanns reasons for not replacing Marquis are different to some folk's on here though - I  very much doubt he feels some players can do no wrong and some can do no right!

[Draytonian III]

If he is subbed who plays in a “ front three “
? Three from Wilks,Sadlier,Smith,May and Coppinger ?  Or maybe Longbottom seeing he scored the 3rd out of 4 for Gainsborough against North Ferriby. We are all a bit annoyed that we didn’t win, but have a reality check, John Marquis is going to become the first Doncaster Rovers player to score 20 league goals in the third tier of English football.

That’s not really helped the debate along....but thank you for involving some good old stats.....

To me it’s not a debate it just reads that certain people are looking for a scapegoat

[Park Rover]

I don’t think it’s anything to do with anyone looking for a scapegoat. This is a forum where we can discuss all things Rovers.
I think MCann is the best manager we’ve had for sometime but his substitutions today surprised me.
Crawford with Wilkes were in my opinion the best players on the pitch. Crawford was pressing and winning lots of loose balls in midfield. Scunthorpe couldn’t cope with Wilkes and he was our biggest threat.
Can anyone remember Marquis causing them any problems today because I can’t. He was working in wide areas and not affecting the game.
Marquis should have been substituted today , he had a bad game, and that miss topped it off

[scawsby steve]

Can't believe what I'm reading in this thread; who the f*ck else can play centre forward? Wilks? May? Sadlier? Smith?; are people being serious?.

I'll tell you what was wrong today, the whole team failed to come out for the second half; it was the worst 45 minutes I've seen for months, so how anyone can put that down to one player is beyond me.

If we want to talk about problem positions, let's talk about right back. Matty was absolutely roasted in that second half, and we've nobody on the books who's remotely the standard of Niall Mason.

[selby]

  Scawsby, given game time Lewis will be a better player, on the ball and positionally he is better than Mason. He lacks height compared with Blair, but Blair didn't win anything in the air today, constantly beaten by their No26

[The Beast]

Marquis was poor today, I don’t think the small pitch suited him, his touch isn’t great. The thing is no matter how bad he is playing, while ever he’s on the pitch he’s probably favourite to score.

[drfchound]

Marquis was poor today, I don’t think the small pitch suited him, his touch isn’t great. The thing is no matter how bad he is playing, while ever he’s on the pitch he’s probably favourite to score.

Ha, talking to Wolfie today and he said that the Scunny pitch is actually bigger than ours.
Scunny 112 yds x 72.
KM  68 yds x 68.

[NickDRFC]

Marquis was poor today, I don’t think the small pitch suited him, his touch isn’t great. The thing is no matter how bad he is playing, while ever he’s on the pitch he’s probably favourite to score.

Ha, talking to Wolfie today and he said that the Scunny pitch is actually bigger than ours.
Scunny 112 yds x 72.
KM  68 yds x 68.

Remarkable that their pitch is about 70% longer than ours!

[andy didcott]

Ha! I had to get me binos out to see other end of pitch.

[scawsby steve]

Marquis was poor today, I don’t think the small pitch suited him, his touch isn’t great. The thing is no matter how bad he is playing, while ever he’s on the pitch he’s probably favourite to score.

Ha, talking to Wolfie today and he said that the Scunny pitch is actually bigger than ours.
Scunny 112 yds x 72.
KM  68 yds x 68.

Glanford Park 111 x 73

Keepmoat 109 x 76

Our pitch is wider.

[donnievic]

Marquis was poor today, I don’t think the small pitch suited him, his touch isn’t great. The thing is no matter how bad he is playing, while ever he’s on the pitch he’s probably favourite to score.

Ha, talking to Wolfie today and he said that the Scunny pitch is actually bigger than ours.
Scunny 112 yds x 72.
KM  68 yds x 68.

sure ours isn’t square

[drfchound]

Marquis was poor today, I don’t think the small pitch suited him, his touch isn’t great. The thing is no matter how bad he is playing, while ever he’s on the pitch he’s probably favourite to score.

Ha, talking to Wolfie today and he said that the Scunny pitch is actually bigger than ours.
Scunny 112 yds x 72.
KM  68 yds x 68.

Remarkable that their pitch is about 70% longer than ours!

Nice one nick, I didn't spot the typo I made.

Should be 105 x 68yds.

scawsby steve.

We must be looking at different internet sites.

[sha66y]

So to conclude...

Because we have no real plan b should JM get injured or just not turn up, we will inevitably struggle and by all accounts lose,

and that’s ok

Post closed, pending review..........lol

[Donnywolf]

Glad it's not just me. Marquis was terrible today. He should have been subbed. With the pace of Smith and Wilkes through the middle we'd have terrorised  their lumps at the back.
Instead kept pumping it to JM who miscontrolked it or ran into trouble and then blamed somebody else.

That through ball in first half that he did not quite get to ? Then he hammered whoever passed it but I would have said it was down to JM to MAKE it a great ball

Still gutted at the result - I would sooner lose to Man U than them (yes I know we didnt lose)

[scawsby steve]

Marquis was poor today, I don’t think the small pitch suited him, his touch isn’t great. The thing is no matter how bad he is playing, while ever he’s on the pitch he’s probably favourite to score.

Ha, talking to Wolfie today and he said that the Scunny pitch is actually bigger than ours.
Scunny 112 yds x 72.
KM  68 yds x 68.

Remarkable that their pitch is about 70% longer than ours!

Nice one nick, I didn't spot the typo I made.

Should be 105 x 68yds.

scawsby steve.

We must be looking at different internet sites.

I got it from the most reliable source of info on football grounds Hound, the Football Ground Guide; I always use it when I'm going to an away ground I've not been to yet.

Google it in for the Keepmoat and you'll see what I mean. It's brilliant, with every bit of information you'll ever need, complete with photos, and they do it for every ground in the country.

Give it a look mate, and I guarantee you'll be impressed.

[drfchound]

Just had a look SS and I am impressed.
I will check it out when I next go to an away game.