Fergie

[Al4475]

Love him or loathe him Fergie played a vital role at rovers - I felt he (or his team whichever) was able to get good players in (possibly due to who his dad is) but was never able to really hit the heights with 'em he could (and maybe should) have done.

McCann did a great job in a short space of time with (bar really Wilks and Kane) fergie's squad.

Moore has built from scratch - through no fault of his own and the signs are that we now have the best of the bunch running first team affairs.

The board, I think, did a great job getting fergie in, McCann was a step above (tho that may not be the case long term for him) and Moore appears (early doors) to be on another level again.

We have got the right people running the show at this moment in time in my opinion.

[roversdude]

Have you started early Al
He also got some proper donkeys in

[Chris Black come back]

He did sign some good players for us, no doubt about that. He also made some bad signings and contract decisions.

[Al4475]

No doubt about that either - but he played an important role for sure. McCann and Moore were and are upgrades on him though I think.

[Chris Black come back]

Massive upgrades. Ferguson could pick a player but the football was by and large poor, with results similarly poor given resources.

[selby]

  He ruined some good young players while he was here, and from his attitude to the Peterborough players after the game last week he has learnt nothing.
He rescued a relegation from a position of strength imposing a style of play while here that the players we had could not play, and was bull headed enough to do so for 16 games, and managed to throw away a championship the next season in the last six games, picking players for those games, Mason , Alcock, and Grant who would have been hard pushed to hold a place down in a Sunday league side, while leaving  better players on the bench.
 He is a bully and a control freak.

[drfchound]

I was reading your post and agreeing with it all.........until you made the comment about good pro players only being up to Sunday League standard.

[dickos1]

I think it’s premature to suggest Moore and mccann are better managers than fergie

Fergie has managed almost 600 games, had plenty of successes had plenty of disappointments.
Let’s not forget his first two seasons as a manager lead to two consecutive promotions.
Mccann’s career hasn’t started as well as fergies did, but let’s hope Moore’s does

[roversdude]

No doubt about that either - but he played an important role for sure. McCann and Moore were and are upgrades on him though I think.

Sorry Al referred to your original wording - Fergie has definitely got a good scouting network granted they are not all diamonds but Posh have cashed in over the years.
I think some of the main improvements Fergie made to us were behind the scenes
I also feel there would have been a lot more respect for him if he had left saying his dad was seriously ill and he needed to be with him/look after business, blaming the board created divisions in the fan base that are still evident today.
I actually liked him and his style of football when he first came, however it became turgid with no plan b

[selby]

  Hound, you are putting your own interpretation on what I said, for the latter half of that season he picked those three players over players like Keegan when they were playing terrible.
  Grant was a shadow of the player we had seen previously, Alcock was a shadow of the player we signed after a terrible injury by a Knobhead from Newcastle tackle who launched a terrible tackle from behind, and an injury Alcock never recovered from to play at league standard, and Mason had struggled all season to play at league standard, a young player finding his feet.
  None of them recovered from a terrible run around when all three played particularly bad   at Colchester and all three should have been dropped well before the game at Hartlepool.
  As usual the bull head we had as a manager, like in the season before when he refused to accept his formation didn't work over a period of 16 games, kept picking those three completely out of form players, over players experienced like Keegan, and younger players who could have done no worse, and had contributed to a decent run of results in the team earlier in the season.
  And to compound the problems, like at the game at Harlepool, when changing one substitute he constantly rearranged the team in other positions, at Hartlepool one substitution the first, resulted in four positional changes on the field.
  Reducing young players to tears, totally ignoring people, and going about the place with an attitude of my way or the highway contributed just as much to our fall away that season and the season before when we got relegated as lack of form by the players, as well as his obstinacy on tactics the players were incapable at the time.
  He is not a great personality, and a limited team manager, and an absolutely terrible man manager.
   On Mason I think that his reputation with some supporters is clouded by his last few months here and a great game at Barnsley.
  For the two seasons before he got some right chasing's and you could not count the games the other side targeted his right back area at the start of a game because it was our weakness, him very rarely stopping the cross coming in, much like we did on Saturday. he has never been a good tackler.

[drfchound]

Selby, again I don’t have any argument against your opinion of Ferguson.I was underwhelmed when he came to us but was prepared to give him a chance to impress me.
He didn’t impress me.
Much of what you have written would probably be agreed with by a big proportion of our fans.

But........come on........it is hard to put a wrong interpretation on what you wrote earlier.
No one in their right mind would think that Mason, Grant and Alcock would struggle to get into a Sunday League team.

[selby]

You seem to interpret it as I am stating a fact Hound, when it is meant as a throw away statement showing my thoughts that they were not good enough, my fault, I probably should have stated not league standard, which non of them three were for that latter period of that season.

[drfchound]

You seem to interpret it as I am stating a fact Hound, when it is meant as a throw away statement showing my thoughts that they were not good enough, my fault, I probably should have stated not league standard, which non of them three were for that latter period of that season.

Although I also disagree that they weren’t league standard either it would have been a more realistic comment than what you actually said.

[selby]

  Hound, they were not for the run in that season, the game at Hartlepool, where they were abject proved it against a team who were not league standard.