Tomorrow

[Ldr]

Whatever the result, peace and love to you all

[Campsall rover]

Whatever the result, peace and love to you all

I’ll second that.

[Bentley Bullet]

Result? Is there gonna be one?

[Campsall rover]

Result? Is there gonna be one?

Yes. The Conservative will get an overall majority.
Somewhere between 15 and 25 seats. 
That’s my forecast for whatever it’s worth.

[Bentley Bullet]

No Campsall, I mean will the result be accepted!

[Campsall rover]

No Campsall, I mean will the result be accepted!

Probably not. Some of the remainers will still be whinning.

I voted remain although it was a 50/50 decision walking to the polling station. That’s where my x went on the ballot paper. I was very undecided.

The fact is we had a democratic vote and a small majority voted leave so that’s what we should have done 3 years ago. 
I thought that’s what democracy was about. Apparently not. Some Remainers simply will not accept it.
They should hang their heads in shame. They are the ones slowing the economy down because business’s  need to know what we are doing. A lack of investment is being caused by this ridiculous delay in leaving.
The only way we can move on and get the country moving again is to get Brexit done.  NOW.

[Bentley Bullet]

Absolutely.

[Not Now Kato]

No Campsall, I mean will the result be accepted!

Probably not. Some of the remainers will still be whinning.

I voted remain although it was a 50/50 decision walking to the polling station. That’s where my x went on the ballot paper. I was very undecided.

The fact is we had a democratic vote and a small majority voted leave so that’s what we should have done 3 years ago. 
I thought that’s what democracy was about. Apparently not. Some Remainers simply will not accept it.
They should hang their heads in shame. They are the ones slowing the economy down because business’s  need to know what we are doing. A lack of investment is being caused by this ridiculous delay in leaving.
The only way we can move on and get the country moving again is to get Brexit done.  NOW.

Apart from repeating a stupid and meaningless sound bite, do you have any idea what Get Brexit Done means?  And how long it will take once it's defined?
 
Oh, and you clearly don't know what Democracy means!

[knockers]

An original vote built on lies and you still support it 
Are you blind the the huge signs that go up before just about every improvement in this country that say “EU funded”

Do you really think the Tories will invest anything in the North?

[Donnywolf]

No Campsall, I mean will the result be accepted!

Probably not. Some of the remainers will still be whinning.

I voted remain although it was a 50/50 decision walking to the polling station. That’s where my x went on the ballot paper. I was very undecided.

The fact is we had a democratic vote and a small majority voted leave so that’s what we should have done 3 years ago. 
I thought that’s what democracy was about. Apparently not. Some Remainers simply will not accept it.
They should hang their heads in shame. They are the ones slowing the economy down because business’s  need to know what we are doing. A lack of investment is being caused by this ridiculous delay in leaving.
The only way we can move on and get the country moving again is to get Brexit done.  NOW.

I accept what you say and probably you may have read this before as I STILL keep on saying it because it is exactly the same principle that you are advocating- I have highlighted the main bit BUT I could have carried on with more of the sentence

When we had our trial Membership of the EEC in 1973 to 1976 we then had a Referendum asking "did we want to Remain in the EEC (as in join) or did we want to Leave"
Simple binary choice.
 We had had 3 years to decide if we liked it or wanted nowt more to do with it

The result was overwhelmingly in favour of REMAIN and the majority produced was 33% (all figs approx) with 66% voting Remain and 33% voting Leave. Compare that to 2016 where there was a Majority of only 4% (all figures approx) with 52 Voting Leave and 48 voting Remain.  That is 8 times MORE majority in 76 than 16 so what happened to the principle you pointed out  in bold above ?

We had a Democratice Vote and a MASSIVE majority to Remain (I voted Leave by the way)... and that is what happened we Remained.
That is what Democracy is all about...
... but wait apparantly NOT because the Tory Party split as of that day (in 76) because they wanted us out and they persisted to "moan" and buck against the system though they were never successful to "get us out".They would never accept the 33% MAJORITY   
Shame on them 
Yes I see what you are saying - and yes 1976 would seem a long long time ago BUT I hope you can see the parallel because it is a principle you are talking about in the bold bit and it is that very same principle that I am pointing out on behalf of me and others
For the record I voted in each Referendum and "lost" both times - the big difference in 76 was that nobody (except the Tory MPs) moaned and moped - it was clear cut it was a massive majority and everyone got on with it

So in conclusion I would see your statement of principle and counter with exactly the same principle ?

[Ldr]

No Campsall, I mean will the result be accepted!

Probably not. Some of the remainers will still be whinning.

I voted remain although it was a 50/50 decision walking to the polling station. That’s where my x went on the ballot paper. I was very undecided.

The fact is we had a democratic vote and a small majority voted leave so that’s what we should have done 3 years ago. 
I thought that’s what democracy was about. Apparently not. Some Remainers simply will not accept it.
They should hang their heads in shame. They are the ones slowing the economy down because business’s  need to know what we are doing. A lack of investment is being caused by this ridiculous delay in leaving.
The only way we can move on and get the country moving again is to get Brexit done.  NOW.

I accept what you say and probably you may have read this before as I STILL keep on saying it because it is exactly the same principle that you are advocating- I have highlighted the main bit BUT I could have carried on with more of the sentence

When we had our trial Membership of the EEC in 1973 to 1976 we then had a Referendum asking "did we want to Remain in the EEC (as in join) or did we want to Leave"
Simple binary choice.
 We had had 3 years to decide if we liked it or wanted nowt more to do with it

The result was overwhelmingly in favour of REMAIN and the majority produced was 33% (all figs approx) with 66% voting Remain and 33% voting Leave. Compare that to 2016 where there was a Majority of only 4% (all figures approx) with 52 Voting Leave and 48 voting Remain.  That is 8 times MORE majority in 76 than 16 so what happened to the principle you pointed out  in bold above ?

We had a Democratice Vote and a MASSIVE majority to Remain (I voted Leave by the way)... and that is what happened we Remained.
That is what Democracy is all about...
... but wait apparantly NOT because the Tory Party split as of that day (in 76) because they wanted us out and they persisted to "moan" and buck against the system though they were never successful to "get us out".They would never accept the 33% MAJORITY   
Shame on them 
Yes I see what you are saying - and yes 1976 would seem a long long time ago BUT I hope you can see the parallel because it is a principle you are talking about in the bold bit and it is that very same principle that I am pointing out on behalf of me and others
For the record I voted in each Referendum and "lost" both times - the big difference in 76 was that nobody (except the Tory MPs) moaned and moped - it was clear cut it was a massive majority and everyone got on with it

So in conclusion I would see your statement of principle and counter with exactly the same principle ?

The EU is a different beast, your being as misleading as a Tory election ad.....

[Donnywolf]

No No

I totally agree the EEC is different and that is it 40+ years ago

What I am trying (and yet again failing) to do is compare the principles involved

Everone now says what Campsall says (highlightd in bold) and all I point out in my bit(highlighted in bold) is that 76 was exactly the same principle but people never mention it

Just that - not the years that have passed - not the things that have changed - JUST the fact that there was a vote then (ignored by Tory MPs) and there was a vote this time - same principle thats all

[Not Now Kato]

No Campsall, I mean will the result be accepted!

Probably not. Some of the remainers will still be whinning.

I voted remain although it was a 50/50 decision walking to the polling station. That’s where my x went on the ballot paper. I was very undecided.

The fact is we had a democratic vote and a small majority voted leave so that’s what we should have done 3 years ago. 
I thought that’s what democracy was about. Apparently not. Some Remainers simply will not accept it.
They should hang their heads in shame. They are the ones slowing the economy down because business’s  need to know what we are doing. A lack of investment is being caused by this ridiculous delay in leaving.
The only way we can move on and get the country moving again is to get Brexit done.  NOW.

I accept what you say and probably you may have read this before as I STILL keep on saying it because it is exactly the same principle that you are advocating- I have highlighted the main bit BUT I could have carried on with more of the sentence

When we had our trial Membership of the EEC in 1973 to 1976 we then had a Referendum asking "did we want to Remain in the EEC (as in join) or did we want to Leave"
Simple binary choice.
 We had had 3 years to decide if we liked it or wanted nowt more to do with it

The result was overwhelmingly in favour of REMAIN and the majority produced was 33% (all figs approx) with 66% voting Remain and 33% voting Leave. Compare that to 2016 where there was a Majority of only 4% (all figures approx) with 52 Voting Leave and 48 voting Remain.  That is 8 times MORE majority in 76 than 16 so what happened to the principle you pointed out  in bold above ?

We had a Democratice Vote and a MASSIVE majority to Remain (I voted Leave by the way)... and that is what happened we Remained.
That is what Democracy is all about...
... but wait apparantly NOT because the Tory Party split as of that day (in 76) because they wanted us out and they persisted to "moan" and buck against the system though they were never successful to "get us out".They would never accept the 33% MAJORITY   
Shame on them 
Yes I see what you are saying - and yes 1976 would seem a long long time ago BUT I hope you can see the parallel because it is a principle you are talking about in the bold bit and it is that very same principle that I am pointing out on behalf of me and others
For the record I voted in each Referendum and "lost" both times - the big difference in 76 was that nobody (except the Tory MPs) moaned and moped - it was clear cut it was a massive majority and everyone got on with it

So in conclusion I would see your statement of principle and counter with exactly the same principle ?

The EU is a different beast, your being as misleading as a Tory election ad.....

The World is a different beast; it, like the EU, has moved on.  Change was, and always is, inevitable. Nothing stays the same and it would be foolish to expect it to.  The EU will continue to change, with us or without us.  We can be part of that change, or watch it from the sidelines - but, whichever we choose, we will be affected by that change.  They are our closest and largest trading partner, and they are much much bigger than we are.
 
I've asked this question on here many times and no one has answered it so far, perhaps you can Ldr as you appear to be an ardent leaver?    Tell me one thing that WILL make us better off by leaving the EU, no sound-bites and hollow 'ifs', 'mights' and 'maybes', ONE THING that WILL make us better off.
 

 

[wing commander]

Whatever the result, peace and love to you all

Yep I agree..On the whole there has been some good debate over the last few weeks.Maybe if the politicians made the same effort as we have regardless of peoples views, then maybe this election wouldn't be a unpopularity contest it is today..

[Donnywolf]

Agree WC and with the OP

Whatever the result peace and love to all.

It may be good for us if we eventually leave the EU or it may be bad and at my age I will probably never ever get to know which it was because it will probably be a decade or two before "history" judges whether we did the right thing (assuming we do leave)

If we decide to stay (somehow) then that will produce a more instantaneous effect but I think we will all agree the political fall out will last many many more years

We need a new democratic system and a new way of electioneering as I dont think anyone in any Party or any part of the media has come through the last almost 4 years with any credit whatsoever

[SydneyRover]

No Campsall, I mean will the result be accepted!

Probably not. Some of the remainers will still be whinning.

I voted remain although it was a 50/50 decision walking to the polling station. That’s where my x went on the ballot paper. I was very undecided.

The fact is we had a democratic vote and a small majority voted leave so that’s what we should have done 3 years ago. 
I thought that’s what democracy was about. Apparently not. Some Remainers simply will not accept it.
They should hang their heads in shame. They are the ones slowing the economy down because business’s  need to know what we are doing. A lack of investment is being caused by this ridiculous delay in leaving.
The only way we can move on and get the country moving again is to get Brexit done.  NOW.

I accept what you say and probably you may have read this before as I STILL keep on saying it because it is exactly the same principle that you are advocating- I have highlighted the main bit BUT I could have carried on with more of the sentence

When we had our trial Membership of the EEC in 1973 to 1976 we then had a Referendum asking "did we want to Remain in the EEC (as in join) or did we want to Leave"
Simple binary choice.
 We had had 3 years to decide if we liked it or wanted nowt more to do with it

The result was overwhelmingly in favour of REMAIN and the majority produced was 33% (all figs approx) with 66% voting Remain and 33% voting Leave. Compare that to 2016 where there was a Majority of only 4% (all figures approx) with 52 Voting Leave and 48 voting Remain.  That is 8 times MORE majority in 76 than 16 so what happened to the principle you pointed out  in bold above ?

We had a Democratice Vote and a MASSIVE majority to Remain (I voted Leave by the way)... and that is what happened we Remained.
That is what Democracy is all about...
... but wait apparantly NOT because the Tory Party split as of that day (in 76) because they wanted us out and they persisted to "moan" and buck against the system though they were never successful to "get us out".They would never accept the 33% MAJORITY   
Shame on them 
Yes I see what you are saying - and yes 1976 would seem a long long time ago BUT I hope you can see the parallel because it is a principle you are talking about in the bold bit and it is that very same principle that I am pointing out on behalf of me and others
For the record I voted in each Referendum and "lost" both times - the big difference in 76 was that nobody (except the Tory MPs) moaned and moped - it was clear cut it was a massive majority and everyone got on with it

So in conclusion I would see your statement of principle and counter with exactly the same principle ?

The EU is a different beast, your being as misleading as a Tory election ad.....

The World is a different beast; it, like the EU, has moved on.  Change was, and always is, inevitable. Nothing stays the same and it would be foolish to expect it to.  The EU will continue to change, with us or without us.  We can be part of that change, or watch it from the sidelines - but, whichever we choose, we will be affected by that change.  They are our closest and largest trading partner, and they are much much bigger than we are.
 
I've asked this question on here many times and no one has answered it so far, perhaps you can Ldr as you appear to be an ardent leaver?    Tell me one thing that WILL make us better off by leaving the EU, no sound-bites and hollow 'ifs', 'mights' and 'maybes', ONE THING that WILL make us better off.

If there was Kato surely someone would have mentioned it in the period since the vote and for all the protestations arguments debates excuses no one has so if the election goes against common sense there will be five years to say nothing again.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Agreed Ldr. Sooner or later, we've got to start coming back together as a nation.

I'm not confident that that is high on Cummings' agenda though...

[Donnywolf]

Wait till Johnson "bales out" after winning (if he does)

Imagine all the millions of times he will say "I got Brexit done" - and then f****d off to leave a sleazebag useless fawning sycophant like ........... (insert name here) to get all those things I promised done

They wont of course but he will be well clear when the s**t hits the fan of course

[Campsall rover]

No Campsall, I mean will the result be accepted!

Probably not. Some of the remainers will still be whinning.

I voted remain although it was a 50/50 decision walking to the polling station. That’s where my x went on the ballot paper. I was very undecided.

The fact is we had a democratic vote and a small majority voted leave so that’s what we should have done 3 years ago. 
I thought that’s what democracy was about. Apparently not. Some Remainers simply will not accept it.
They should hang their heads in shame. They are the ones slowing the economy down because business’s  need to know what we are doing. A lack of investment is being caused by this ridiculous delay in leaving.
The only way we can move on and get the country moving again is to get Brexit done.  NOW.

Apart from repeating a stupid and meaningless sound bite, do you have any idea what Get Brexit Done means?  And how long it will take once it's defined?
 
Oh, and you clearly don't know what Democracy means!

So waiting for another referendum and then possibly having a leave majority is going to take even longer isn’t it.
If it’s a remain majority in a new referendum that’s democracy is it. What about the majority who voted leave in the 1st one. 
Shall we have the best of 3 then or what about the best of 5

52% voted leave in 2016. To me a majority is a majority and in that referendum all parties said they would accept the will of the people and honour the result.

It’s MPs with their own political agendas on all sides of the house which has delayed this process for 3 years.
We should have been out 2 years ago with all new trade deals sorted by now.

I voted remain but democracy means if the people vote on something then it should be honoured.
Is that a yes or no from you Now Kato?

[SydneyRover]

The thing is Campsal you keep forgetting that the sole biggest reason that brexit hasn't happened yet is your own squabbling mess of a party.

[Donnywolf]

Campsall

If there is another Ref it would BE the best of three as Reamin won in 76 as per my reply #9 above

... and in response to your last sentence "I voted remain but democracy means if the people vote on something then it should be honoured"

 would again (boringly I suppose) say so what happened to 1976 where the people voted overwhelmingly to Remain does that not count for anything in your sentence. Its the same principle surely ?


Its a long time ago I agree and people have come to voting age since and some have died BUT so have people since 2016. Loads of new voters may be saddled with something they never got a vote on and that seems unfair to them - very unfair as they will be around a long longer than most of us and will have to live with the results (maybe good maybe bad maybe even neutral)

So for them their 2016 is my 1975 - it will feel a long time ago



 

[Not Now Kato]

No Campsall, I mean will the result be accepted!

Probably not. Some of the remainers will still be whinning.

I voted remain although it was a 50/50 decision walking to the polling station. That’s where my x went on the ballot paper. I was very undecided.

The fact is we had a democratic vote and a small majority voted leave so that’s what we should have done 3 years ago. 
I thought that’s what democracy was about. Apparently not. Some Remainers simply will not accept it.
They should hang their heads in shame. They are the ones slowing the economy down because business’s  need to know what we are doing. A lack of investment is being caused by this ridiculous delay in leaving.
The only way we can move on and get the country moving again is to get Brexit done.  NOW.

Apart from repeating a stupid and meaningless sound bite, do you have any idea what Get Brexit Done means?  And how long it will take once it's defined?
 
Oh, and you clearly don't know what Democracy means!

So waiting for another referendum and then possibly having a leave majority is going to take even longer isn’t it.
If it’s a remain majority in a new referendum that’s democracy is it. What about the majority who voted leave in the 1st one. 
Shall we have the best of 3 then or what about the best of 5

52% voted leave in 2016. To me a majority is a majority and in that referendum all parties said they would accept the will of the people and honour the result.

It’s MPs with their own political agendas on all sides of the house which has delayed this process for 3 years.
We should have been out 2 years ago with all new trade deals sorted by now.

I voted remain but democracy means if the people vote on something then it should be honoured.
Is that a yes or no from you Now Kato?

“If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.” These wise words were spoken by David Davis when he was a backbench MP.

In the wake of the referendum, it’s not just Brexiters who forget this core principle of a free society. Even some Remainers think we should lump it now the people have spoken. They are wrong.
 
https://infacts.org/democracy-people-free-change-minds/
 
As I said, you clearly don't know what democracy means.

[Campsall rover]

The thing is Campsal you keep forgetting that the sole biggest reason that brexit hasn't happened yet is your own squabbling mess of a party.

Now Now Sydney when did i say i was a Tory.
You have no idea where my political allegiances are placed.

I think the whole lot of them are a shambles at the moment. The fact is Boris is the man that is going to get Brexit done. ( even if it takes another 2 years or so to sort out all the trade deals etc etc. )
Which should have been sorted 2 years ago based on the leave vote in 2016.

Yes the Conservative MP’s have been a problem because the previous leader did not really want to leave and neither did most of her cabinet. 
That’s always going to be a problem isn’t it. The fact is rightly or wrongly Cameron promised a referendum,
That referendum was delivered and the people spoke.
So we needed as we have now, a Prime minister that is going to deliver what the majority asked for.
That is democracy.

The alternative from Corbyn is dilly dallying, no concise leadership on the subject and another referendum which if it goes the other way is going to cause a massive storm in this country.
Best of 3, yes I can here the shouts now.

If you want more delay more bickering, more political chaos then vote Labour today.
Oh and he will also take us down a path of boom ( short term ) & BUST which our children and grandchildren are going to pay for in the next 10/15 years.

Tory i am not Sydney, i have no political allegiance. But I have no choice but to vote Conservative as the other options, are too scary & dangerous for this country to even give it a second thought.
In my honest opinion.
Other opinions are available of course.

That’s democracy. The country today will decide which path it wants to go down.

[SydneyRover]

So I'm right then 

[Campsall rover]

So I'm right then 

About all the parties delaying on Brexit.  Yes if that what you mean?

[SydneyRover]

and that you're voting tory

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nice try Ldr...

[Not Now Kato]

So I'm right then 

About all the parties delaying on Brexit.  Yes if that what you mean?

Remind me Campsall, who was it who withdrew his Withdrawal Bill after it had passed its first reading?
 
Spoiler Alert - The same person who voted against Teresa May's, (better), Withdrawal Bill.

[drfchound]

No Campsall, I mean will the result be accepted!

Probably not. Some of the remainers will still be whinning.

I voted remain although it was a 50/50 decision walking to the polling station. That’s where my x went on the ballot paper. I was very undecided.

The fact is we had a democratic vote and a small majority voted leave so that’s what we should have done 3 years ago. 
I thought that’s what democracy was about. Apparently not. Some Remainers simply will not accept it.
They should hang their heads in shame. They are the ones slowing the economy down because business’s  need to know what we are doing. A lack of investment is being caused by this ridiculous delay in leaving.
The only way we can move on and get the country moving again is to get Brexit done.  NOW.

I accept what you say and probably you may have read this before as I STILL keep on saying it because it is exactly the same principle that you are advocating- I have highlighted the main bit BUT I could have carried on with more of the sentence

When we had our trial Membership of the EEC in 1973 to 1976 we then had a Referendum asking "did we want to Remain in the EEC (as in join) or did we want to Leave"
Simple binary choice.
 We had had 3 years to decide if we liked it or wanted nowt more to do with it

The result was overwhelmingly in favour of REMAIN and the majority produced was 33% (all figs approx) with 66% voting Remain and 33% voting Leave. Compare that to 2016 where there was a Majority of only 4% (all figures approx) with 52 Voting Leave and 48 voting Remain.  That is 8 times MORE majority in 76 than 16 so what happened to the principle you pointed out  in bold above ?

We had a Democratice Vote and a MASSIVE majority to Remain (I voted Leave by the way)... and that is what happened we Remained.
That is what Democracy is all about...
... but wait apparantly NOT because the Tory Party split as of that day (in 76) because they wanted us out and they persisted to "moan" and buck against the system though they were never successful to "get us out".They would never accept the 33% MAJORITY   
Shame on them 
Yes I see what you are saying - and yes 1976 would seem a long long time ago BUT I hope you can see the parallel because it is a principle you are talking about in the bold bit and it is that very same principle that I am pointing out on behalf of me and others
For the record I voted in each Referendum and "lost" both times - the big difference in 76 was that nobody (except the Tory MPs) moaned and moped - it was clear cut it was a massive majority and everyone got on with it

So in conclusion I would see your statement of principle and counter with exactly the same principle ?

The EU is a different beast, your being as misleading as a Tory election ad.....

The World is a different beast; it, like the EU, has moved on.  Change was, and always is, inevitable. Nothing stays the same and it would be foolish to expect it to.  The EU will continue to change, with us or without us.  We can be part of that change, or watch it from the sidelines - but, whichever we choose, we will be affected by that change.  They are our closest and largest trading partner, and they are much much bigger than we are.
 
I've asked this question on here many times and no one has answered it so far, perhaps you can Ldr as you appear to be an ardent leaver?    Tell me one thing that WILL make us better off by leaving the EU, no sound-bites and hollow 'ifs', 'mights' and 'maybes', ONE THING that WILL make us better off.

Kato, I dont think that anyone can say for sure whether there is one thing (or more) that will make us better off if we leave the EU.
I voted to remain by the way.

[wilts rover]

Whatever the result, peace and love to you all

Yes and to yourself and all the other posters on here - there has been some good and passionate debate going on for the past few weeks, thanks to you all.

I was then going to go on and post - now we can get back to arguing about Brexit - until I began reading the rest of the thread to find that other people had beaten me to it...