VAR

[the vicar]

I Never wanted it, and I have no sympathy for the victims of it, most people have been begging for it, but to me it was always going to cause problems as seen yesterday, yes it was hand ball although not intentionally. You can't have it both ways it's OK when it goes for you but not when it goes against you

[IDM]

As posted on the West Ham thread, it isn’t  VAR itself causing the problem, it’s the application of the rules they use with it.

That could also do what rugby does, and show the video ref details on stadium screens.

[the vicar]

And make the ref the sole decision maker IFwe must carry on with it

[IDM]

I agree. The VAR official can point something out but the decision maker must be the ref on the pitch.

[sha66y]

V.A.R is only a pilot scheme to see if the average time allotted to an incident can be utilised correctly for advertisements, ...just watch the clock because once the money men appear with yet more advertising money , the V.A.R panel will have a set period say 90 seconds to 3 minutes to make their decisions...thus allowing the big companies to get their advert out during a prime time slot...... this is happening and the fans and punters don’t matter unfortunately.....

[IDM]

Advertising may piggy back onto VAR but won’t be driving it.  Decisions need to be quicker than that otherwise the errors are not clear and obvious..

[sha66y]

Once V.A.R is accepted wholly by the “ money men” and the possibilities for great revenue streams, I would imagine the amount of V.A.R actions during a game will increase accordingly....
Also the idea of breaking the game into 4 quarters is probably still on the table awaiting the think tank responses from the V.A.R experiment.....

In ten years ( overly ambitious) the Premiership and Championship will be very differently run to what they are now....fans are needed less than advertisements,

[the vicar]

Cricket is done on the big screen, so it would be quicker to do that than the ref run across the pitch to see a little laptop, as in cricket if it is to close to call then he can't make a decision isand game carries on

[the vicar]

And if it is not in every game it should Not be in any game, and I mean every professional game or it is an unfair advantage

[sha66y]

Cricket is done on the big screen, so it would be quicker to do that than the ref run across the pitch to see a little laptop, as in cricket if it is to close to call then he can't make a decision isand game carries on

They need to maximise the V.A.R time not shorten it, this has been a long term plan to get advertising revenue slots in prime time football matches....

[IDM]

Sorry but I disagree..

Football is too unpredictable - you can have a great game of football at the highest level which would be very attractive to advertisers but which has absolutely no incidents where VAR is used.

Games like American football, cricket, and rugby have many more stoppages so there are greater opportunities for video officiating.

Not everything in football is a conspiracy you know .

[mjg]

I hate it

[the vicar]

So do I and as I said in my opening post I never wanted it

[DRFC_AjA]

You're in the minority or lying if you said you never wanted it. The amount of terrible decisions over the years and everyone saying technology is needed to solve this. France Ireland world cup qualifier, England v Germany in SA to name huge ones but there's hundreds of smaller examples.

VAR as a concept is brilliant and is the future but it's being applied awfully, either through terrible rules or these ridiculous offside lines with his left knacker playing him onside etc. If you're wanting rid then you're wanting to go back to the dark ages of refs making awful decisions. All that's happened is the chants have changed from "the refs a..." to "VARs a...", why would you want to go back? VAR just needs to be improved, not gotten rid of.

[sha66y]

Sorry but I disagree..

Football is too unpredictable - you can have a great game of football at the highest level which would be very attractive to advertisers but which has absolutely no incidents where VAR is used.

Games like American football, cricket, and rugby have many more stoppages so there are greater opportunities for video officiating.

Not everything in football is a conspiracy you know .

You have pretty much just summed up the future-module for our premier sport...
It’s already as you say been tried and tested,

This is not something that can be changed by debate at all

[Filo]

In Cricket they have umpires call if the decision is marginal, surely they could have referees call in football

[the vicar]

You're in the minority or lying if you said you never wanted it. The amount of terrible decisions over the years and everyone saying technology is needed to solve this. France Ireland world cup qualifier, England v Germany in SA to name huge ones but there's hundreds of smaller examples.

VAR as a concept is brilliant and is the future but it's being applied awfully, either through terrible rules or these ridiculous offside lines with his left knacker playing him onside etc. If you're wanting rid then you're wanting to go back to the dark ages of refs making awful decisions. All that's happened is the chants have changed from "the refs a..." to "VARs a...", why would you want to go back? VAR just needs to be improved, not gotten rid of.

I don't tell lies and to come on here and lower the tone with abuse is shit when we all were having a sensible debate about it. Just point to the point I said I want to get rid of var cis I know they won't but just tell me where I said it

[firestarter]

I’d be more than happy to just keep the goal line technology and leave it at that . There’s no fall out from that kind of technology and it’s cut and dried . Scrap the rest

[Campsall rover]

I’d be more than happy to just keep the goal line technology and leave it at that . There’s no fall out from that kind of technology and it’s cut and dried . Scrap the rest

There is an argument for that.

It is what i personally advocated when all this new technology was being discussed.

Having seen the VAR i do think it has a place if it is used in the right way.
Problem is so many people have different views on what is
 ‘the right way’ 

[Pliskin]

VAR is and always will be an absurd idea based on misguided principles.

All it has done is outsource subjective and/or inconclusive decisions from someone on the pitch to some faceless committee in a remote location. With the added bonus of ruining the game for the people who matter, the fans, whenever the match experience is suspended for a decision to be taken retrospectively.

The implementation is irrelevant when the idea is totally flawed. Over the coming seasons VAR will be tweaked but the ridiculousness will continue all the same. After all, you can't polish a turd.

[IDM]

Actually, according to a certain episode of Mythbusters, you can do exactly that..

[BillyStubbsTears]

Awful concept, which replaces one of the glories of football (the wonderful uncertainty that grips you in the stomach) with a sterile faux certainty.

It's a cancer which will eat away at the true soul of football.

[IDM]

Oh come on BST, make your mind up.!! 😬😬

[sha66y]

All debate is irrelevant, as are opinions....the game left the community’s that served it well when Sky became the master...
And don’t think for one moment that these changes being implemented will stop with V.A.R...

The Premiership has the capability to be a global product once the prime-time advertising scheduling is sorted out....

The money men are certainly not stupid, who would have thought of ifollow
streaming live matches of lower league games.....

Forget your dated values and embrace the new game..

Adverts during V.A.R , ( bet.com)
adverts during rest breaks,.....they are coming soon !

If you look at the average length of a V.A.R issue, it must be over a minute long....some adverts are shorter than a minute...

Like I said ..... this is the only way the commercial side of the game can go, and every owner/operator of a football club will and are welcoming the revenue ....though the concepts might rankle a few....