DM losing

[karldew]

This reminded me of our home game against Blackpool last season, drawing 1-1 deep into injury time and we win a corner. DM sends all the big defenders up to get the winner, but a sh#t corner is turned into attack and 10 seconds later  Armand Gnaduillet is nodding a winner past a flapping lawlor.
P.S at least it wasn't against 10 men. 

Did we concede from our corner against Chorley too?

[Spud]

Just seen his comment about football kicking you right where it really hurts, oh the irony.
Apologies if it's already been mentioned, woke up to four pages lol.

[pib]

Yep. That's all I wanted as a footnote to his decision to leave.

It's "Darren who?" now.

I liked him and thought he was different, made of something better. He isn't.

Remember, we are in The Magic Hat Era now. That's where the focus goes now 100%

You just know there will be a thread on here every time he loses a game though in reality. Folk on here are still going on about Lewis Dunk!

[Yargo]

This reminded me of our home game against Blackpool last season, drawing 1-1 deep into injury time and we win a corner. DM sends all the big defenders up to get the winner, but a sh#t corner is turned into attack and 10 seconds later  Armand Gnaduillet is nodding a winner past a flapping lawlor.
P.S at least it wasn't against 10 men. 

Did we concede from our corner against Chorley too?

Wasn't that against FCUM FA cup game not too long ago?

[Chris Black come back]

Yep. That's all I wanted as a footnote to his decision to leave.

It's "Darren who?" now.

I liked him and thought he was different, made of something better. He isn't.

Remember, we are in The Magic Hat Era now. That's where the focus goes now 100%

You just know there will be a thread on here every time he loses a game though in reality. Folk on here are still going on about Lewis Dunk!

With good reason! His tackle on Billy was a disgrace.

[roversdude]

To be honest now the blinkers are off, can’t dispute that DM is a nice guy, however I think his standing in the game may be slightly elevated due to the scramble to be all inclusive. I guess at least with the Wendies he’s nearer home and when he gets sacked there will be a seat in the Sky studio, they seemed taken with him

[Metalmicky]

DM's after match interview........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p098mvfc

Is it pre-recorded......? - I'm sure I've heard it before somewhere..

[Not Now Kato]

Yep. That's all I wanted as a footnote to his decision to leave.

It's "Darren who?" now.

I liked him and thought he was different, made of something better. He isn't.

Remember, we are in The Magic Hat Era now. That's where the focus goes now 100%

You just know there will be a thread on here every time he loses a game though in reality. Folk on here are still going on about Lewis Dunk!

With good reason! His tackle on Billy was a disgrace.

The Ref not sending him off for it was a bigger disgrace!

[donnievic]

Seemed a very weak sending off that...

Thought the same. Very suspect.

think it was the way smith got up and put his head into the Wednesdays players chest,you just can’t do anything like that no matter how little it appears

[MachoMadness]

Remarkable but not surprising the Owls fans are turning on him already. A lot of the negative hallmarks from our recent run were on display, it sounds like. No urgency, defensively frail, poor finishing... hmm. It also looks like he's playing the same system he did here, but at Rovers he built the squad around that system, and he brought in a lot of versatile, energetic young players to make it work. Does he have the players to do it at Wednesday?

[eight over]

Football Heaven will be a black comedy this evening, dont normally listen but may tune in tonight

[BobG]

I do like this comment from the Owlstalk thread:

"And now Reading and Norwich loom like two battleships on the horizon. Guns pointed. "

What an image!

BobG

[roversdude]

I was half hoping that concede playing tippy tappy around 18yard box

[turnbull for england]

Been  having a look on owlstalk at dinner time,  even allowing for the posters being on the negative side  the future of the ground and finances looks grim ,  there was talk of 20m to be paid by September not including player bonuses or signings. Can see why he's gambling on staying up

[BobG]

Crikey! I knew things are bad at Hillsborough but that sounds downright desparate. 20 million? If true, that sounds like someone could have the power of life and death over Sheffield Wednesday....

BobG

[MachoMadness]

I know all clubs take part in some "creative" accounting to some extent, but Wednesday's owners seem about as transparent as a brick wall. Gambled big time on getting to the PL, using dodgy dealings with the ground to finance it, and lost. That thread with the £20m figure on it is interesting, even though I can't pretend to understand most of it.

[Prez]

Been  having a look on owlstalk at dinner time,  even allowing for the posters being on the negative side  the future of the ground and finances looks grim ,  there was talk of 20m to be paid by September not including player bonuses or signings. Can see why he's gambling on staying up

So the question remains why on earth has he gone there??? Has he done his due diligence?

Talk about jump ship. Hes jumped from the lifeboat on to the Titanic. Bigger is not always better Darren.

[sheffield exile1]

20m is a figure which has been around a long time. I recall being told on good authority that when they were relegated from the PL they made no money from ST sales as it all went to pay interest on their debts. Their next plan was 3+ years ST's which is ok for year one but then no revenue thereafter and still having fans occupying those seats. Badly managed club for a number of years who have fans who think it's about when they get back into the PL as is their right (Like a club just up the M1). As I have said on here many times we were classed as a joke club by both of those in my schooldays, and to be fair we were poor mostly, but how times/fortunes have changed, especially ours in the 2000's onwards.

[BobG]

Yet I can remember a time, not all that long ago, when Wednesday had a bloody good team. The time when John Harkes was there. Sometimes they even deserved the accolade 'superb'. I can't remember who it was against, but one night match, on TV, they dismantled the opposition so comprehensively that I rang up my Dad to tell him to get on the tv and watch. It was immense.

20 odd years ago I suppose though....

BobG

PS Just remembered: Paul Warhurst was in that side too. What would they give for him today?!!!

[Lesonthewest]

Don't panic Wednesdayites, how's your centre half at left back, because that's where he'll be going.

[Ye-Aul-Tavern]

I would have preferred if it had stayed at 1-1 last night to be honest. Would like to see both of them go down so think that would have been the best result towards that. Long way to go yet so Rotherham could get out of it yet. No chance for Wednesday though.

[NickDRFC]

Yet I can remember a time, not all that long ago, when Wednesday had a bloody good team. The time when John Harkes was there. Sometimes they even deserved the accolade 'superb'. I can't remember who it was against, but one night match, on TV, they dismantled the opposition so comprehensively that I rang up my Dad to tell him to get on the tv and watch. It was immense.

20 odd years ago I suppose though....

BobG

PS Just remembered: Paul Warhurst was in that side too. What would they give for him today?!!!

Confession time. I was a Wednesday fan in my formative years (probably just a bit after that time you’re describing). My dad took me down to Belle Vue in the early 90s when I was 5 or 6 but I was quite late getting into football, and when I did at 9 or 10 I had a Wednesday shirt and idolised Chris Waddle. Probably didn’t help that my dad’s office cleaning lady knew Graham Hyde and got me his autograph on a bar mat. My dad wasn’t going to Rovers as often by that stage, and when he was it was to give Weaver/Richardson a piece of his mind, so I probably only went to a handful of games, begrudgingly, when we were dropping out of the football league.

To this day I’ve no idea what changed really but I went to that first home game in the conference, 11 years old, and the scales fell from my eyes. Andy Woods, Shaun Goodwin, Dino Maamria - these were my heroes now. Never looked back and wouldn’t change it.

[donnyguy]

Rotherham have appealed successfully against the red card.

[auckleyflyer]

Yet I can remember a time, not all that long ago, when Wednesday had a bloody good team. The time when John Harkes was there. Sometimes they even deserved the accolade 'superb'. I can't remember who it was against, but one night match, on TV, they dismantled the opposition so comprehensively that I rang up my Dad to tell him to get on the tv and watch. It was immense.

20 odd years ago I suppose though....

BobG

PS Just remembered: Paul Warhurst was in that side too. What would they give for him today?!!!

Confession time. I was a Wednesday fan in my formative years (probably just a bit after that time you’re describing). My dad took me down to Belle Vue in the early 90s when I was 5 or 6 but I was quite late getting into football, and when I did at 9 or 10 I had a Wednesday shirt and idolised Chris Waddle. Probably didn’t help that my dad’s office cleaning lady knew Graham Hyde and got me his autograph on a bar mat. My dad wasn’t going to Rovers as often by that stage, and when he was it was to give Weaver/Richardson a piece of his mind, so I probably only went to a handful of games, begrudgingly, when we were dropping out of the football league.

To this day I’ve no idea what changed really but I went to that first home game in the conference, 11 years old, and the scales fell from my eyes. Andy Woods, Shaun Goodwin, Dino Maamria - these were my heroes now. Never looked back and wouldn’t change it.

Same here, rest of the family still are with a few leedtards mixed in. My family weren't football fans and neither was I. It was in the navy where rivalry came so I identified as wednesday as they were the best Yorkshire club to watch on TV at the time (waddle, Hurst, Francis)
Although I got into watching football on a Saturday in Portsmouth as a pre pissup.
On leaving I tried wednesday for two years and worked in sheff (well dronfield) never felt right in person singing as if Sheffield was my home?!
On being made redundant in 98 I worked in Donny (Thorne) there was a character there who was also a steward at BV bribed me in with a few free let it's.
Felt magic and the rest is history

[BobG]

Graham Hyde was a Donny lad wasn't he?

BobG

[Alickismyhero]

Rotherham have appealed successfully against the red card.

I thought the ref must have seen something from his angle because from my angle it was not a red card.

The first goal seemed to me 2 yards offside but nobody appeal for it!

[exeter gently]

We were terrible. No two ways about it. If DM isn’t wondering to himself what the hell he’s done then there’s something wrong. My feeling is that he’s been brought in to get us out of League 1 next season, however with the crap that we’ve got playing for us at the moment, I can only see another relegation to League 2. Yes, we really are that bad!!

Anyway, great win for you guys last night against Pompey. That’s never an easy game. It’s certainly onwards and upwards for you.

I have said this tonight to my mate who's an Owl. I believe he has been brought in to rebuild but with the hope that its done playing Championship football next season. Make no mistake he will move the club forward to a certain degree, I imagine he will balance the books in pre season regardless of what league you are in and bring together a squad who will be united. I think you only have to look at our squad to know he has a good eye for a player whilst working within a budget. But taking those players and building for a promotion from League One next season is another question. Personally I dont think hes capable of that. I genuinley believe he would have failed in promotion if he had stayed with us and feel our squad were properly going through the motions and just looking at the performance last night the hunger was back and the players looked like they enjoyed it. I also dont think hes capable of getting you out of relegation this season either though. Very good coach. Poor manager IMO. May well prove me wrong.

As Esdaille said originally

[winegums]

Graham Hyde was a Donny lad wasn't he?

BobG

Yes I think he was from Arksey. His brother used to work at The Dome

[RoversAlias]

Yet I can remember a time, not all that long ago, when Wednesday had a bloody good team. The time when John Harkes was there. Sometimes they even deserved the accolade 'superb'. I can't remember who it was against, but one night match, on TV, they dismantled the opposition so comprehensively that I rang up my Dad to tell him to get on the tv and watch. It was immense.

20 odd years ago I suppose though....

BobG

PS Just remembered: Paul Warhurst was in that side too. What would they give for him today?!!!

Now I don't mean to make you feel old here Bob, but Harkes and Warhurst left Wednesday in 1993! That was the last time they were any good really, some 28 years ago, and it's been a downward trend ever since.

My first season as a fan (the year after Nick's revelatory Rovers experience) was 99/2000 when Wednesday got relegated from the Premier League and lost 8-0 at Newcastle, and they were playing us in League One four years later.

I'm not sure what went wrong then really but since Chansiri's arrival it is obvious - as someone else above said, they gambled big time on getting into the PL, cheated essentially with the stadium refinancing and are now paying the hefty price. I can definitely see them languishing at this level like Sunderland if they do indeed go down this season, as looks likely.

Makes Moore's decision all the more baffling and quite an insult to Rovers in some ways.

[BobG]

Ha ha ha ha Alias!!! 1993?! Ye Gods. I thought perhaps 22-23 years back.... Oh well.

Yes. That was about the last good Wednesday side.  Be fun to work out who they've had as manager since 1993! I might go look it up.

BobG

PS And yes. You do make me feel old!

Just checked: 20 managers, including DM, since 1991. Some of the star names include Trevor Francis, David Pleat, Ron Atkinson, Terry Yorath and Paul Sturrock. Since 2006, with the sole exception of the short lived reign of Steve Bruce, they've had a succession of 11 relative none entities - although Carlos Carvalhal proved an asset with a 42.75% win rate

Another interesting thing about that list is that of those 20 managers, only six were in charge for over 100 matches. Three of those were Ron Atkinson in 1991 and his two immediate succesors. There has been only 3 more since 1995. Only Chris Turner of the rest (96 matches in charge) has got anywhere near that number. The longest one of all was Brian Laws (!!!) with 154 matches and a win rate of 33%!!!!!

BobG