New offside rule - please explain

[BVB]

Baffled by the offside rule as being used at the Euros.
If anyone can explain 1) how it works and 2) why it has been introduced, I’d be very, very  grateful.

 

[dickos1]

There isn’t a new offside rule for the euros?

[Padge_DRFC]

They just don't spend 5 minutes drawing lines

[Superspy]

2 main changes they appear to have made in terms of implementation - I haven't read this anywhere, just pieced it together from things said by commentators/pundits...

1) Lines are drawn at the shoulder (I think), so it's now about whether your shoulder is offside rather than any part of the body
2) Lino's keep their flags down until the phase of play has ended, so essentially until the ball goes dead in most cases. There have been times when this has been irritating as hell, but I think the intention is to make sure that no goals are ruled off - where erroneous flagging would result in killing a legitimate attack - and also to stop the gaming being stop-start unnecessarily - if it goes out for a goal kick then the offside is irrelevant so no need to flag for it.

[Spud]

2 main changes they appear to have made in terms of implementation - I haven't read this anywhere, just pieced it together from things said by commentators/pundits...

1) Lines are drawn at the shoulder (I think), so it's now about whether your shoulder is offside rather than any part of the body
2) Lino's keep their flags down until the phase of play has ended, so essentially until the ball goes dead in most cases. There have been times when this has been irritating as hell, but I think the intention is to make sure that no goals are ruled off - where erroneous flagging would result in killing a legitimate attack - and also to stop the gaming being stop-start unnecessarily - if it goes out for a goal kick then the offside is irrelevant so no need to flag for it.

Very well put & correct I believe.

[dickos1]

Yes the thing they've tried to implement is that there’s clear evidence someone is offside
So we don’t get the nonsense as we do in the premier league

[GazLaz]

2 main changes they appear to have made in terms of implementation - I haven't read this anywhere, just pieced it together from things said by commentators/pundits...

1) Lines are drawn at the shoulder (I think), so it's now about whether your shoulder is offside rather than any part of the body
2) Lino's keep their flags down until the phase of play has ended, so essentially until the ball goes dead in most cases. There have been times when this has been irritating as hell, but I think the intention is to make sure that no goals are ruled off - where erroneous flagging would result in killing a legitimate attack - and also to stop the gaming being stop-start unnecessarily - if it goes out for a goal kick then the offside is irrelevant so no need to flag for it.

Part two has always been the case.

[DRCraig]

Been way better than what we see in the premier league.

[DRNaith]

Part 1 is being adopted everywhere, from 1st July. UEFA opted to bring it in early for these finals

[mjg]

It’s all nonsense and I’m glad I don’t have to watch it

[Avsuptem]

Slightly off topic I know but has anybody else noticed the number of un penalised foul throw ins in this tournament ? Has the law changed on this ? I get the urge to blow my Sunday morning league referee's whistle every time I see a ball thrown in from chest height. Its supposed to be from behind the head innit ? Or does the rule not apply to millionaires ?

[RoversAlias]

I saw a foul throw pulled up in one of the weekend games, I was surprised as it is almost never enforced. The art of taking a proper throw in has gone by the wayside in recent years.

[Superspy]

Part 1 is being adopted everywhere, from 1st July. UEFA opted to bring it in early for these finals

Yeah i thought so but lukaku just had a goal chalked off for his big toe being offside so now I'm confused.

[Superspy]

2 main changes they appear to have made in terms of implementation - I haven't read this anywhere, just pieced it together from things said by commentators/pundits...

1) Lines are drawn at the shoulder (I think), so it's now about whether your shoulder is offside rather than any part of the body
2) Lino's keep their flags down until the phase of play has ended, so essentially until the ball goes dead in most cases. There have been times when this has been irritating as hell, but I think the intention is to make sure that no goals are ruled off - where erroneous flagging would result in killing a legitimate attack - and also to stop the gaming being stop-start unnecessarily - if it goes out for a goal kick then the offside is irrelevant so no need to flag for it.

Part two has always been the case.

Fair enough, i don't watch a lot of footy that involves VAR, assuming they only do it in VAR enabled games?

[Campsall rover]

Well if that goal that tonight that Lakaku had wiped out for off side was clear and obvious then I was watching something completely different to the person that made that decision.
How on earth that goal did not stand is a complete joke imo.
Clear and obvious should mean exactly that. Anything that is marginal should be given as a goal.
We all want quality play rewarded and goals as the end product. That is what we all want to see in matches dont we?
VAR is chalking off so many goals which are marginal decisions. It is doing quite the opposite of what it should be doing. The benefit of doubt should be going to the goal scorer every time.

[DRNaith]

Part 1 is being adopted everywhere, from 1st July. UEFA opted to bring it in early for these finals

Yeah i thought so but lukaku just had a goal chalked off for his big toe being offside so now I'm confused.

Well then his big toe must have been in front of his shoulder (shirt sleeve). Basically, VAR, for these championships and from the first of July everywhere else, running with the line being drawn with whatever parts of the body you are allowed to touch the ball with.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Well if that goal that tonight that Lakaku had wiped out for off side was clear and obvious then I was watching something completely different to the person that made that decision.
How on earth that goal did not stand is a complete joke imo.
Clear and obvious should mean exactly that. Anything that is marginal should be given as a goal.
We all want quality play rewarded and goals as the end product. That is what we all want to see in matches dont we?
VAR is chalking off so many goals which are marginal decisions. It is doing quite the opposite of what it should be doing. The benefit of doubt should be going to the goal scorer every time.

Would totally agree. I would imagine if you polled, fans, players, managers, officials etc, the overwhelming opinion would be those sort of calls which are so close to the human eye  should be deemed level and therefore onside. If they have to draw two lines to find a gap then they've lost the spirit and purpose of the rule.

All the ref or official needs is one look and a decision made. The only ones that will be given offside is when the attacker is clearly in front of the defender

[drfchound]

Well if that goal that tonight that Lakaku had wiped out for off side was clear and obvious then I was watching something completely different to the person that made that decision.
How on earth that goal did not stand is a complete joke imo.
Clear and obvious should mean exactly that. Anything that is marginal should be given as a goal.
We all want quality play rewarded and goals as the end product. That is what we all want to see in matches dont we?
VAR is chalking off so many goals which are marginal decisions. It is doing quite the opposite of what it should be doing. The benefit of doubt should be going to the goal scorer every time.

Would totally agree. I would imagine if you polled, fans, players, managers, officials etc, the overwhelming opinion would be those sort of calls which are so close to the human eye  should be deemed level and therefore onside. If they have to draw two lines to find a gap then they've lost the spirit and purpose of the rule.

All the ref or official needs is one look and a decision made. The only ones that will be given offside is when the attacker is clearly in front of the defender

Whatever happened to clear and obvious eh.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Overall the way it's been used in the Euro's makes me think maybe we can live with it. Still a couple of crazy decisions (Lovern's sending off was a complete nonsense) but on the whole it's not slowed the game down much at all.

What i think we need to know is

1. how many goals were incorrectly given/ruled out before VAR
2. how many decisions are overturned that don't cause mass controversy or the collective shaking of heads

Then you can get a feel for how much controversy it saves. Gut feel is it causes more and brings more injustice to the game than having a human ref.

[RoversAlias]

VAR has been much faster and seemingly more accurate in the Euros, compared to the Premier League. That is on how the officials approach each decision. I think there have only been one or two contentious VAR calls, with Lukaku's offside yesterday the most egregious. I don't believe such tight offside calls should ever be overturned, but that's me.

I actually agreed with Lovren's red card although I can see the other side of the debate, and Ampadu's was a definite red for Wales.

[ravenrover]

If Ampadu was a red what about the chsp the other night who did exactly the same and gave a penalty away can't for the life of me remember who were playing

[Janso]

VAR has been much faster and seemingly more accurate in the Euros, compared to the Premier League. That is on how the officials approach each decision. I think there have only been one or two contentious VAR calls, with Lukaku's offside yesterday the most egregious. I don't believe such tight offside calls should ever be overturned, but that's me.

I actually agreed with Lovren's red card although I can see the other side of the debate, and Ampadu's was a definite red for Wales.

Probably the fact that Mike Riley doesn't really seem to want it hasn't helped the implementation in the Premier League. That and most English officials are hopeless.

If Ampadu was a red what about the chsp the other night who did exactly the same and gave a penalty away can't for the life of me remember who were playing

Don't remember the one you mean but slightly different rules for a red card in the box now.