Cummings dishes the dirt

[drfchound]

What Johnson thinks about Hancock is beside the point, and utterly immaterial.
So too is whether you think Cummings is trustworthy.

The issue is whether Johnson and Hancock have breached ministerial rules, and sought to mislead the HoC and the public with deliberate misinformation.

Cummings is showing that at key stages in the decision making process, Johnson and Hancock misled their own colleagues, and in doing so promoted policy choices which cost lives.

They placed management of their image above the public interest.
This is unforgivable, and potentially could lead to criminal action at a later date.

Anyone who cannot see the importance of this from senior elected government personnel should give some consideration to the implications of allowing it to go unchecked.

“What Johnson thinks about Hancock is beside the point and utterly immaterial”.
Albie, I’m not having a pop at you here but if that is true then why are so many posters highlighting those very things and making such a big deal of them.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Belton. If you don't see the answer, I'm not sure what more I can do short of being condescending.

And my apologies if "yet another unnecessarily long winded post" was meant as a compliment and I misread you. I know you really don't like it when people pollute the atmosphere by chucking out insults so perhaps I was wrong.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

It's irrelevant what the PM thinks about his Health Secretary as a person. It's absolutely relevant what he thinks about his competence as a Health Secretary.

[belton rover]

Belton. If you don't see the answer, I'm not sure what more I can do short of being condescending.

And my apologies if "yet another unnecessarily long winded post" was meant as a compliment and I misread you. I know you really don't like it when people pollute the atmosphere by chucking out insults so perhaps I was wrong.

Several paragraphs responding to a simple yes or no question, without actually answering it is a long winded response. You do that a lot.

That’s not an insult. Just an observation.

[drfchound]

Hound.

It's irrelevant what the PM thinks about his Health Secretary as a person. It's absolutely relevant what he thinks about his competence as a Health Secretary.

And which option did he mean BST.

[normal rules]

A hopeless man talking about a hopeless man who accused another hopeless man of being hopeless.
Desperate politics.

[drfchound]

A hopeless man talking about a hopeless man who accused another hopeless man of being hopeless.
Desperate politics.

Yeah but it gives some people stuff to talk  about NR.

[normal rules]

Whatever next?

My dads bigger than your dad?

[drfchound]

Whatever next?

My dads bigger than your dad?

It would not surprise me at all.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

We are discussing decisions that have led to tens of thousands of avoidable deaths.

What political issues would you think really ARE worthy of discussion if this isn't?

[albie]

Short summary here of some of the points raised by Cummings;
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/all-the-key-claims-and-evidence-from-dominic-cummings-bombshell-blog

It might help some, who are posting here without having read the Cummings blog.
Not that reading Cummings is easy, but posting a reply to something you have not read is a sign of potential issues for the poster.

at the minute he has not backed much of what he has said up, a couple of texts calling Hancock names, he really needs to provide proper evidence that he has been asked for to be taken seriously

Sorry Blackpool, but what do you think DC has not backed up?

I am not sure what you are looking for when you talk about proper evidence.
Some of the claims made by DC have been established by others, and for some time.

Best not to just look at DC, but how it adds to what we already know!

[drfchound]

Hound.

We are discussing decisions that have led to tens of thousands of avoidable deaths.

What political issues would you think really ARE worthy of discussion if this isn't?

So I guess you won’t be answering my question, and then asking me one.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Since you were asking me to read someone's mind Hound, I assumed it wasn't a serious question.

[drfchound]

That’s ok, I thought your post:

Hound.

It's irrelevant what the PM thinks about his Health Secretary as a person. It's absolutely relevant what he thinks about his competence as a Health Secretary.

…….was indicating that you might have known which option Johnson meant.

It would have added to the debate but maybe it was just an off the cuff comment and not relevant to the discussion.

[BillyStubbsTears]

No Hound. It meant I know which one is important and which one is superfluous fluff.

I would have explained that, but yer man Belton would have said that was being unnecessarily long winded, when a curt answer will do.

[drfchound]

Then I won’t ask you the bleeding obvious question.

[belton rover]

No Hound. It meant I know which one is important and which one is superfluous fluff.

I would have explained that, but yer man Belton would have said that was being unnecessarily long winded, when a curt answer will do.

I didn’t realise I had so much influence over you, Billy.
It’s like Cummings/Johnson all over again.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I do try to be accomodating Belton. Just so we can stick to the substantive comments and not get sidetracked.

[idler]

At the end of the day we have a Prime Minister who lies about anything on a regular basis and a minister not fit for purpose.
However many to and fro spats, that is the bottom line.
Trading insults and scoring points doesn't alter that.

[SydneyRover]

At the end of the day we have a Prime Minister who lies about anything on a regular basis and a minister not fit for purpose.
However many to and fro spats, that is the bottom line.
Trading insults and scoring points doesn't alter that.

It's must quite obvious to anyone why the government doesn't want an inquiry any time soon.

[Donnywolf]

At the end of the day we have a Prime Minister who lies about anything on a regular basis and a minister not fit for purpose.
However many to and fro spats, that is the bottom line.
Trading insults and scoring points doesn't alter that.

Agree Idler ... I posted this about 2 weeks ago which [long windedly] agrees with what you point out





Spot on RR

I have almost totally given up commenting on Political threads because ;

a] I think leaving the EU was a huge error although time will tell
b] I think Johnson is little better than a corrupt liar in charge of a bunch of fawning nobodies

Right I could repeat that ad nausem and roughly 43 % would disagree with me and of those 0 pc would change their views after reading my views SO I simply choose not to try to change their minds

Similarly NO post by any Leaver on here or elsewhere would EVER convince me I was wrong on either a] or b] so as you say I moderated my own Posts by not making them - and I long since gave up reading the other stuff - so great point ravenrover

PS If anyone wants to try to pick unpick my a] and b] please start a new Thread as I added them as an example only and we dont want another thread going bang lol

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[ravenrover]

Dominic Grieve had a right pop at The Clown and the Govt in general this morning whilst commenting on the Cheshem by election Lib Dem win by 8000 overturning a 16000 majority from last election. Tories becoming too Nationalistic spending money hand over fist. Claiming that the more affluent, degree types who live there have seen through the Tories.

[BigH]

There's little doubt that this government is amongst the most dysfunctional in UK history.

The fact that we've spent over £400 billion - yep, 400 thousand million pounds - trying to deal with the pandemic is a testament to this. Unfortunately, we will all pay economically for what has been an astonishing level of governmental ineptitude.

There's absolutely nothing surprising about Johnson's reference to Hancock. So no dirt really. In fact I could imagine Hancock saying something similar about Johnson. (Remember the f*** business jibe?)

What's surprising is that anybody should be surprised.

[SydneyRover]

Pater Capaldi has his say in recent events

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-57544203

[SydneyRover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBN4sOQbYxk

[albie]

Cummings has released a new post on his blog;
https://dominiccummings.substack.com/p/more-evidence-on-how-the-pms-and

Summary in the Guardian here;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/25/pm-said-test-and-trace-would-be-like-whistling-in-the-dark-says-cummings