Brexit disbenefits log

[SydneyRover]

''Tate & Lyle the food company which was a prominent supporter of Brexit, only processes imported raw sugar cane, mostly from the tropics, which arrives by ship at its huge refinery beside the Thames in east London.

Like the villain Voldemort in the Harry Potter books, some beet farmers (British Farmers) refuse to mention the company by name, grumbling about how Tate & Lyle products are branded with a union jack by virtue of being processed and packaged, but not grown, in the UK.

Imported raw sugar cane is often cheaper than British or European-produced beet, yet domestic sugar producers were protected by quotas and subsidies during the UK’s EU membership while tariffs restricted the amount of cane imported, which goes some way to explaining Tate & Lyle’s pro-Brexit stance.

https://www.bbc.com/news/politics


Tate & Lyle ....................... vote brexit ................. sweet

[SydneyRover]

''Germans spent £13.8bn, or nearly 11%, less on British goods in the first six months of 2021, according to data from the Federal Statistics Office.

The UK has been in Germany's top 10 trading partners since 1950.

But with Brexit-related hurdles taking a toll, it looks set to drop to the 11th spot by the end of 2021''

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58484454

[River Don]

''Tate & Lyle the food company which was a prominent supporter of Brexit, only processes imported raw sugar cane, mostly from the tropics, which arrives by ship at its huge refinery beside the Thames in east London.

Like the villain Voldemort in the Harry Potter books, some beet farmers (British Farmers) refuse to mention the company by name, grumbling about how Tate & Lyle products are branded with a union jack by virtue of being processed and packaged, but not grown, in the UK.

Imported raw sugar cane is often cheaper than British or European-produced beet, yet domestic sugar producers were protected by quotas and subsidies during the UK’s EU membership while tariffs restricted the amount of cane imported, which goes some way to explaining Tate & Lyle’s pro-Brexit stance.

https://www.bbc.com/news/politics


Tate & Lyle ....................... vote brexit ................. sweet

I suppose this depends on what view you take of protectionism.

Will UK consumers ultimately pay more or less for their sugar?

And is cheap sugar a good thing?

[SydneyRover]

''Tate & Lyle the food company which was a prominent supporter of Brexit, only processes imported raw sugar cane, mostly from the tropics, which arrives by ship at its huge refinery beside the Thames in east London.

Like the villain Voldemort in the Harry Potter books, some beet farmers (British Farmers) refuse to mention the company by name, grumbling about how Tate & Lyle products are branded with a union jack by virtue of being processed and packaged, but not grown, in the UK.

Imported raw sugar cane is often cheaper than British or European-produced beet, yet domestic sugar producers were protected by quotas and subsidies during the UK’s EU membership while tariffs restricted the amount of cane imported, which goes some way to explaining Tate & Lyle’s pro-Brexit stance.

https://www.bbc.com/news/politics


Tate & Lyle ....................... vote brexit ................. sweet

I suppose this depends on what view you take of protectionism.

Will UK consumers ultimately pay more or less for their sugar?

And is cheap sugar a good thing?

There's a bit of irony in the post RD as more than a few have been saying that the UK have not been able to protect it's own industry and yet here was an example of just that within the EU. Maybe more people should have looked a bit deeper as to why certain players were supporting brexit.

Will beet farmers be subsidised? the UK cannot subsidise every producer when a trade deal is done. If the subsidies are maintained we end up with modern corn laws, if we don't then jobs will go and wages will be reduced.

[River Don]

It's a very complex thing Syd. Jobs and wages aren't currently a big problem in the UK whether that's more to do with Brexit or the pandemic is unclear.

This rupture will take time to play out.

[SydneyRover]

It's a very complex thing Syd. Jobs and wages aren't currently a big problem in the UK whether that's more to do with Brexit or the pandemic is unclear.

This rupture will take time to play out.

I think those, nearly 1 million on zero hours contract would beg (possibly literally) to differ and the numbers of food banks have increased 1200% in 10 years tell a different story RD.

[River Don]

Those figures are from the previous decade Syd.

Right now there are hiring signs everywhere and the upward pressure on wages is getting the BoE fretting about inflation.

Whether this is a short term state of affairs, who knows?

[SydneyRover]

Those figures are from the previous decade Syd.

Right now there are hiring signs everywhere and the upward pressure on wages is getting the BoE fretting about inflation.

Whether this is a short term state of affairs, who knows?

This regarding zero hours contracts

https://www.statista.com/statistics/414896/employees-with-zero-hours-contracts-number/

And this regarding food banks

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8585/

400 businesses and between 5K-7K finance industry jobs have moved across the ditch since brexit, it's a growth industry too.

[River Don]

Again Syd those sites are showing trends from the previous 20 years and more.

What's happening right now on the ground is different. Job shortages and upward pressure on wages.

At the moment even the garage at the bottom of our road has a sign outside, advertising for two qualified mechanics. It's been there for weeks.

It's very definitely an employees market right now,

[SydneyRover]

Again Syd those sites are showing trends from the previous 20 years and more.

What's happening right now on the ground is different. Job shortages and upward pressure on wages.

Yes I agree but there's a long way to go before the devastation of the previous 10 years and brexit, if ever will be made up, those that have retired in that period or have had to sell their house to live or pay for care will never recover.

In my view, as the tories could never get full control through an GE they used Austerity as an ideological tool to break labours hold on councils and centralise government but in the mean time it wrecked just about everything unless you lived in a tory council boundary or you were in fact a tory and fitted into the cohort. (probably down to Lynton Crosby)

When the zero hours contracts are reduced in number to those genuinely happy to earn a bit of pin money and food banks are gone then you'll know that the country is on the right track.

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And I don't accept your version of reality about being trends over the past 20 years, the figure do not bear that out, look at the numbers in the links and look at the acceleration over the past 10 years

[River Don]

I agree there's perhaps a long way to go, one way or the other.

All I can say for certain is right now there is a big change. Where this is leading I cannot say.

[SydneyRover]

just in case you missed this

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And I don't accept your version of reality about being trends over the past 20 years, the figure do not bear that out, look at the numbers in the links and look at the acceleration over the past 10 years

[River Don]

...past 10 years.

I'm talking about the past 10 months.

[SydneyRover]

Again Syd those sites are showing trends from the previous 20 years and more.

What's happening right now on the ground is different. Job shortages and upward pressure on wages.

At the moment even the garage at the bottom of our road has a sign outside, advertising for two qualified mechanics. It's been there for weeks.

It's very definitely an employees market right now,

This RD

[River Don]

Alright Syd,

I only briefly glanced at your links but I immediately saw it was showing old trends.

Believe me. Right now, today employers are scrabbling to get hold of staff all over the country.

It's too soon to show up in official figures and studies but it is a real profound change.

[SydneyRover]

That's correct, it's too soon to know anything, goodnight Don

[River Don]

That's correct, it's too soon to know anything, goodnight Don

It is too soon, I have been consistent in that. I stand by my observation that this time, today, in the UK employment and wages are not a problem.

Is it night in Sydney? It's late here I'm off to bed.