Let's talk about the Crewe Alexandra game

[goalkick]

Could be he is carrying Williams and with a capable person alongside him things would be better!

[sedwardsdrfc]

Anderson and Williams both have one thing in common and it’s the coaching/management they and the team receive.

We know Anderson can be a good player he’s proven it. Williams has only been here under the current management so the assumption is he’s a rubbish player because that’s all we’ve seen.

Argument it weakened by Anderson’s poor form second half of last season but again the management was very suspect then too.

[Bentley Bullet]

Hound, as you know there are players who can do no right and players who can do no wrong. It seems at the moment those two are prime examples of that.

[Juddy]

Whatever happened to the young lad who made his debut as sub against Stoke Ethan Harrison? Surely he would be as good or better than Cukur

[scawsby steve]

How are people getting a positive out of that? It’s was f**king awful.

Because they're absolutely deluded. Yet they think they're better fans than the rest of us.

Not better, just informed!

Informed of what?

Not football, if they're defending this current team and management set-up.

[dickos1]

Fair enough RD. I'd take that at the moment though, which again is such a sad thing to be admitting.

More to the point , what did you think a season of consolidation meant??

Consolidation to me means mid table or a bit below and certainly doesn't involve being embroiled in a relegation battle from week 1.

It does but it doesn’t state how you get there.
Every chance of us finishing a bit below midtable

[Campsall rover]

Just heard one of our most loyal fans on Radio Sheffield Lincoln Rover.
He said it was worse than dire last night.
Both teams were appalling and both were booed off by their own fans.
Time wasting by Dahlberg in the last min of injury time taking a free kick 10 yds inside our own half was farcical and got yellow carded.
He just needed to boot it into the Crewe pen area.
I think if they were not under instruction to hold out for a draw it shows a lack of confidence. Players were just desperate to not lose another away game.
I suppose it is understandable but against a team who is worse than us we should have gone for the jugular.

Confidence is the major player now.
We need back to back wins to lift the players.

[scawsby steve]

Fair enough RD. I'd take that at the moment though, which again is such a sad thing to be admitting.

More to the point , what did you think a season of consolidation meant??

Consolidation to me means mid table or a bit below and certainly doesn't involve being embroiled in a relegation battle from week 1.

It does but it doesn’t state how you get there.
Every chance of us finishing a bit below midtable

Regarding that last sentence, Dickos, what evidence are you basing it on?

[The Beast]

Just heard one of our most loyal fans on Radio Sheffield Lincoln Rover.
He said it was worse than dire last night.
Both teams were appalling and both were booed off by their own fans.
Time wasting by Dahlberg in the last min of injury time taking a free kick 10 yds inside our own half was farcical and got yellow carded.
He just needed to boot it into the Crewe pen area.
I think if they were not under instruction to hold out for a draw it shows a lack of confidence. Players were just desperate to not lose another away game.
I suppose it is understandable but against a team who is worse than us we should have gone for the jugular.

Confidence is the major player now.
We need back to back wins to lift the players.

Wellens would have got the boot if we’d lost, so I can see why we might’ve done that, at least it shows he’s still committed to the project, if nothing else. I think we slightly edged the second half from what I heard.

[Campsall rover]

Just heard one of our most loyal fans on Radio Sheffield Lincoln Rover.
He said it was worse than dire last night.
Both teams were appalling and both were booed off by their own fans.
Time wasting by Dahlberg in the last min of injury time taking a free kick 10 yds inside our own half was farcical and got yellow carded.
He just needed to boot it into the Crewe pen area.
I think if they were not under instruction to hold out for a draw it shows a lack of confidence. Players were just desperate to not lose another away game.
I suppose it is understandable but against a team who is worse than us we should have gone for the jugular.

Confidence is the major player now.
We need back to back wins to lift the players.

Wellens would have got the boot if we’d lost, so I can see why we might’ve done that, at least it shows he’s still committed to the project, if nothing else. I think we slightly edged the second half from what I heard.

Don’t think he would have been sacked Beast. Think the board see him overseeing a long haul project.
Quite right imo. Said it so many times, we must have stability now in the hot seat even if it means pain in the short term.
Pain does not mean we have to go down a league, but if we do we do.
I am very confident we will not go down. 30 games to play. Possibly only 36 more points needed.
I say only but that is well within our capabilities once we get those injured players back and 2/3 decent additions in January.

[The Beast]

Just heard one of our most loyal fans on Radio Sheffield Lincoln Rover.
He said it was worse than dire last night.
Both teams were appalling and both were booed off by their own fans.
Time wasting by Dahlberg in the last min of injury time taking a free kick 10 yds inside our own half was farcical and got yellow carded.
He just needed to boot it into the Crewe pen area.
I think if they were not under instruction to hold out for a draw it shows a lack of confidence. Players were just desperate to not lose another away game.
I suppose it is understandable but against a team who is worse than us we should have gone for the jugular.

Confidence is the major player now.
We need back to back wins to lift the players.

Wellens would have got the boot if we’d lost, so I can see why we might’ve done that, at least it shows he’s still committed to the project, if nothing else. I think we slightly edged the second half from what I heard.

Don’t think he would have been sacked Beast. Think the board see him overseeing a long haul project.
Quite right imo. Said it so many times, we must have stability now in the hot seat even if it means pain in the short term.
Pain does not mean we have to go down a league, but if we do we do.
I am very confident we will not go down. 30 games to play. Possibly only 36 more points needed.
I say only but that is well within our capabilities once we get those injured players back and 2/3 decent additions in January.

I’m not saying I think he should go, I’m all for longevity and seeing the project through. I do have massive doubts about Wellens but he needs a crack at it when the majority of the players are all back from injury.
I’d just heard on Monday from a three-eyed raven from across the big hills that if we lost he was gone. Whether this was accurate or not we’ll never know, maybe SM will correct me.

[ForsolongaRover]

I wonder where we are on “The Project”. What about hitting the milestones?

Was it accepted that we would spend most of the first part of the season either 24th or in the relegation zone?

The length of the project is now quoted as one of the reasons why we aren’t getting much success yet, but we ought to know a bit more about the target dates and the improvement aimed for.

[normal rules]

The project should be just two things.
1. Sustain the longevity of the football club.
2. Play football.


Our expectations as football supporters have become way way above their station.
Inspired/ poisoned no doubt by what happens higher up the pyramid.

[scawsby steve]

The project should be just two things.
1. Sustain the longevity of the football club.
2. Play football.


Our expectations as football supporters have become way way above their station.
Inspired/ poisoned no doubt by what happens higher up the pyramid.

The trouble is, NR, when expectations aren't met, attendances drop, which then affects the sustainability of the club.

It's a vicious circle.

[selby]

  Ethan Harrison has been injured, and not played for quite a while for the u18s.

[ForsolongaRover]

NR: A project is an organised endeavour to achieve a specified objective. It is run over a fixed period to a budget and has interim staging posts at which points progress is assessed against the original schedule. It is expected to keep within its spending limits and the concept is designed to ensure that it is properly planned and stays on track. Achieving interim quantifiable objectives along the way ensures that it is progressing. The Chairman’s career was in the Construction Industry where modern methodologies were pioneered and developed, so he will be very used to its purpose and value.

“Playing football” even if it is shorthand for good football is really too vague to tie anyone down to a worthwhile outcome. A team could be doing that in any League. Equally “Sustaining the longevity of the club” may well equate with great things for some, but you could say DRFC managed this even in the late 90s.

My point is that if this is that if we are to believe that it is a project in the real sense of the word, it looks to be well behind schedule.

(One subscriber is known as “Since 1969” and on that basis I might classify myself as “Since 1948”, so challenging my loyalty and short-termism is not appropriate.)

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Fair enough RD. I'd take that at the moment though, which again is such a sad thing to be admitting.

More to the point , what did you think a season of consolidation meant??

Consolidation to me means mid table or a bit below and certainly doesn't involve being embroiled in a relegation battle from week 1.

It does but it doesn’t state how you get there.
Every chance of us finishing a bit below midtable

Fair point. Totally agree.

The signs aren't good but like the Covid vaccine, we won't know the extent of the damage until the passage of time.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

NR: A project is an organised endeavour to achieve a specified objective. It is run over a fixed period to a budget and has interim staging posts at which points progress is assessed against the original schedule. It is expected to keep within its spending limits and the concept is designed to ensure that it is properly planned and stays on track. Achieving interim quantifiable objectives along the way ensures that it is progressing. The Chairman’s career was in the Construction Industry where modern methodologies were pioneered and developed, so he will be very used to its purpose and value.

“Playing football” even if it is shorthand for good football is really too vague to tie anyone down to a worthwhile outcome. A team could be doing that in any League. Equally “Sustaining the longevity of the club” may well equate with great things for some, but you could say DRFC managed this even in the late 90s.

My point is that if this is that if we are to believe that it is a project in the real sense of the word, it looks to be well behind schedule.

(One subscriber is known as “Since 1969” and on that basis I might classify myself as “Since 1948”, so challenging my loyalty and short-termism is not appropriate.)

I'll be honest. I'm pretty hammered. I don't understand what Forsolongarover wrote but i actually agree. FSLAR sounds like he knows his onions so i agree.

I hope he means that Wellens should be doing a lot better than he is currently. Which is what i'm assuming.

[normal rules]

The project should be just two things.
1. Sustain the longevity of the football club.
2. Play football.


Our expectations as football supporters have become way way above their station.
Inspired/ poisoned no doubt by what happens higher up the pyramid.

The trouble is, NR, when expectations aren't met, attendances drop, which then affects the sustainability of the club.

It's a vicious circle.

I accept that. Let’s face it, we have been rock bottom in non league. Supporters were still there albeit in much lower numbers.
The club existed.
There were good times even in the conf.
Some would say better times that what we currently endure.
Sustainability is all,relative. Lge 2 next year will be lower wages. Has to be.
Players wages are what are making clubs un sustainable.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

The project should be just two things.
1. Sustain the longevity of the football club.
2. Play football.


Our expectations as football supporters have become way way above their station.
Inspired/ poisoned no doubt by what happens higher up the pyramid.

We are on a par or bigger than a lot of clubs in the league in terms of club stature, size of fanbase, attendances etc yet sit 2nd bottom.

We should reasonably expect to be better than Morecambe, Cambridge, Burton, Accrington, Cheltenham and Wimbledon and we are on a par IMO with the likes of Gillingham, Crewe, Lincoln, Fleetwood, Shrewsbury and perhaps Wycombe and Oxford.

We currently sit 1 point above one of the above teams in the league after 16 games. I think we could reasonably expect better tbh.

[Campsall rover]

We are a bigger club than all those at the bottom of your list.

That’s potentially of course.
Put all those clubs at the top of the Championship table table and we would get the biggest gates.
We have the biggest ground yes so that helps