Set piece goals conceded

[DonnyOsmond]

Just seen this on Twitter.



Most EFL goals conceded via set-piece situations:

18 Doncaster
15 Morecambe
14 Bristol City
13 Cheltenham
12 Bolton
12 Crewe
12 Walsall
12 Wimbledon
11 Bristol Rovers
11 Carlisle
11 Ipswich
11 Lincoln
11 Reading
11 Stevenage

https://twitter.com/MarkOHaire/status/1458406835866816515?t=ILAx-xyWvnVUjQ32FO0AyA&s=19

[Campsall rover]

Just seen this on Twitter.



Most EFL goals conceded via set-piece situations:

18 Doncaster
15 Morecambe
14 Bristol City
13 Cheltenham
12 Bolton
12 Crewe
12 Walsall
12 Wimbledon
11 Bristol Rovers
11 Carlisle
11 Ipswich
11 Lincoln
11 Reading
11 Stevenage

https://twitter.com/MarkOHaire/status/1458406835866816515?t=ILAx-xyWvnVUjQ32FO0AyA&s=19

That is horrendous. Has to be the priority on the training ground to remedy this.

[danumdon]

I'm still wondering why we have a goalkeeping coach doing the coaching for the defence? i know coaches learn tactics and take their badges but seriously, does he have a defenders instincts to pass on ? how long do we go down this same road, we have been appalling defending set piece's for years.

Surly a pro defensive coach is worth the outlay rather than trying different defenders with all their additional costs attached?

Can he concentrate on getting our keepers to an acceptable level of competence, its not like we don't have deficiencies there.

[Chris Black come back]

Just seen this on Twitter.



Most EFL goals conceded via set-piece situations:

18 Doncaster
15 Morecambe
14 Bristol City
13 Cheltenham
12 Bolton
12 Crewe
12 Walsall
12 Wimbledon
11 Bristol Rovers
11 Carlisle
11 Ipswich
11 Lincoln
11 Reading
11 Stevenage

https://twitter.com/MarkOHaire/status/1458406835866816515?t=ILAx-xyWvnVUjQ32FO0AyA&s=19

Check out the clean sheet statistics as well. Appalling.

[EasyforDennis]

And yet the set pieces coach has been the same for years.

[Bessie Red]

I'm still wondering why we have a goalkeeping coach doing the coaching for the defence? i know coaches learn tactics and take their badges but seriously, does he have a defenders instincts to pass on ? how long do we go down this same road, we have been appalling defending set piece's for years.

Surly a pro defensive coach is worth the outlay rather than trying different defenders with all their additional costs attached?

Can he concentrate on getting our keepers to an acceptable level of competence, its not like we don't have deficiencies there.

Frank Sinclair is on the books, perhaps he should do some defence coaching with them!!

[Canadian Rover]

I've been saying this for ages. We need a new coach for and focusing hours upon hours at set pieces. Efficiency at corners and free kicks are how you get out of this division.

[MachoMadness]

Set pieces are a science. If we aren't treating them as such (which we clearly aren't) then it's just another area we're getting painfully left behind in.

[Campsall rover]

I have been saying for ages Paul Gerrard must be substandard with his set piece coaching.
Why are we persisting with him when it is blatantly obvious to everyone that it ain’t working.

As has been said let him concentrate on goalkeeping coaching.

[bigal]

Butler would have for done for me

[RugbyRover]

If I was Wellens and I was looking for someone to coach how to defend (or attack) from corners I'd be seeing what Rob Jones was up to. But I suspect they had a fall out or two over the years, so that won't happen.

I'd also send the young lad back to Watford. I don't see that he's a massive improvement on LJ. Both make good saves and mistakes in equal measure.

I'd find a new keeper coach. Everyone has a shelf life and Gerrard has been here yonks. It all needs freshening up. I'd get Westwood in and have him on the bench/coach. LJ as the No 1.

Wellens has had time to take stock of his staff and he's ruthless enough to make changes.

[The Beast]

I don’t know if it’s so much coaching to defend a set piece, you can watch videos and see how the opposition put the ball in, the area they put it in and who to watch but really the players on the pitch should be able to organise and sort it out their selves. If you’re physically weak or small or not got the characters in the team to organise then you’ve got problems.

[BillyStubbsTears]

That's shocking. We are 50% worse than the 68th worst side out of 72 FL clubs.

[roversdude]

I’ve been say for a long time that the only constant is Paul Gerrard. We have been more inventive on our own set pieces but shocking at defending them. PG seems a decent bloke but as others have set we maybe need a fresh look at set pieces

[dickos1]

This stat must also be including penalties which doesn’t have anything to do with defending a set piece

[GazLaz]

We are poor at defending set pieces. That’s obvious. Those numbers are pretty arbitrary though.

According a breakdown of the numbers I have (without blinding people with numbers!) we give up a similar quality of chance per set piece as a few teams in L1, although our aggregate total per game is the highest in L1. This obviously indicates we firstly concede too many set pieces, and secondly we potentially allow chances to be created from set pieces that ordinarily shouldn’t be in a threatening position.

Lastly, the amount of goals we have conceded is greater than the statistics say we should have. That’s very likely to be us running a tad cold and variance playing it’s part but I’d also be looking at why the opposition are more likely to convert a set piece chance against us than they are similar chances against other teams.

I think I know the answer to some of these questions, what worries me a little bit is that there’s a good chance the coaching staff don’t even know the questions.

[Monkcaster_Rover]

We are poor at defending set pieces. That’s obvious. Those numbers are pretty arbitrary though.

According a breakdown of the numbers I have (without blinding people with numbers!) we give up a similar quality of chance per set piece as a few teams in L1, although our aggregate total per game is the highest in L1. This obviously indicates we firstly concede too many set pieces, and secondly we potentially allow chances to be created from set pieces that ordinarily shouldn’t be in a threatening position.

Lastly, the amount of goals we have conceded is greater than the statistics say we should have. That’s very likely to be us running a tad cold and variance playing it’s part but I’d also be looking at why the opposition are more likely to convert a set piece chance against us than they are similar chances against other teams.

I think I know the answer to some of these questions, what worries me a little bit is that there’s a good chance the coaching staff don’t even know the questions.

Is there anything in particular stopping you from forwarding your information to the club? You never know - they might punish you with a free season ticket.

[The Beast]

To me we’ve only got Anderson and Rowe who can head the ball. Rowe isn’t very tall but he’s got good timing and understands that you can’t win a header if you’re stood next to your opponent, much in the same way that Copps won a lot of flick ons.
You look at Dodoo, attacking wise with the headers, physically looks the part but doesn’t get it. You’ve got to anticipate the pass and drop off your marker just before the ball is played if you don’t the defender will just use you as a stepladder and win it every time. I think we react too slow.
Obviously with the way Wellens is trying to get us to play it favours players who are supposedly technically good with their feet so more likely to be shorter and less good in the air. My worry is you’ve got to be so far superior football wise to offset the goals your going to concede at set pieces that it’s a massive ask. And at the stage we’re at at the moment we’re not even on a par football wise, never mind superior. The dream would be to have a striker like Chris Brown who is intelligent and technically good with his feet but can also muck in with defensive set pieces. Whiteman is again a massive loss in this area as he was very good in the air.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Interesting analysis Gaz.

I wonder if the Rovers are doing any data analysis. Any club not taking this seriously would be as far behind the times as if their physio just had a magic sponge.

My take for what it's worth is that we are shite at defending set pieces because we play a zonal defence with players who simply don't dominate their zone.

[GazLaz]

Interesting analysis Gaz.

I wonder if the Rovers are doing any data analysis. Any club not taking this seriously would be as far behind the times as if their physio just had a magic sponge.

My take for what it's worth is that we are shite at defending set pieces because we play a zonal defence with players who simply don't dominate their zone.

There’s data analysis then there is real analytics. All clubs look at data, it’s impossible not to. Even if it’s just possession stats or shots on target. Real in depth analytics is where the edge is. Using the data to really grasp what is happening then use these findings to improve future performance. That’s the skill that clubs struggle to get a grasp of. Even if they get to that point they then have to by in to really trusting what they find and find a way to implement it into how they work on a day to day basis. Most clubs pay lip service to data analysis but when it comes to making big decisions based on it, the favour the way they’ve always done things.

[Campsall rover]

We are poor at defending set pieces. That’s obvious. Those numbers are pretty arbitrary though.

According a breakdown of the numbers I have (without blinding people with numbers!) we give up a similar quality of chance per set piece as a few teams in L1, although our aggregate total per game is the highest in L1. This obviously indicates we firstly concede too many set pieces, and secondly we potentially allow chances to be created from set pieces that ordinarily shouldn’t be in a threatening position.

Lastly, the amount of goals we have conceded is greater than the statistics say we should have. That’s very likely to be us running a tad cold and variance playing it’s part but I’d also be looking at why the opposition are more likely to convert a set piece chance against us than they are similar chances against other teams.

I think I know the answer to some of these questions, what worries me a little bit is that there’s a good chance the coaching staff don’t even know the questions.

If the coaching staff are not aware of what we are, then we are seriously in big trouble. I hope your saying that in jest GazLaz.

[Campsall rover]

Posted above before reading your last post GazLaz.

But what’s the point of having data and an analyst if they don’t use the information.

Personally I think we have a goalkeeping coach who should be just that.
We have been poor on defending set pieces for a long time and this is not new this season. It is just worse than ever this season.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Impossible to know what goes on behind the scenes but any coach/manager will use data for their advantage.

Just like with Covid, pure stats don't tell the whole story  and it wouldn't be wise to jump to any conclusions.

As Gaz touched on, reducing the amount of set pieces we concede is a start.

Having a settled team where everyone knows their jobs thoroughly at set pieces would also help.

Just the above alone would surely help to reduce the number of goals conceded.

[Sammy Chung was King]

You would think that during a game if there isn’t a plan, that an experienced player tells players where to be on set pieces.
There definitely needs to be work done on it, you can accept being opened up in open play, but not set pieces on such a regular basis.

[The Beast]

You would think that during a game if there isn’t a plan, that an experienced player tells players where to be on set pieces.
There definitely needs to be work done on it, you can accept being opened up in open play, but not set pieces on such a regular basis.

Exactly, I think we’re lacking a couple of these players though.

[Sammy Chung was King]

You would think that during a game if there isn’t a plan, that an experienced player tells players where to be on set pieces.
There definitely needs to be work done on it, you can accept being opened up in open play, but not set pieces on such a regular basis.

Exactly, I think we’re lacking a couple of these players though.

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Definitely missing a few, I think results would be more consistent, if we had a couple more as well. Some of the goals we concede are lack of experience and know how.