EFL so no to lights out !!

[since-1969]

If after all that has happened over that past couple of seasons with clubs nearly going bust , a discussion as to changing kick off times, was so important to save a few quid on the electricity bill seems a bit petty . EFL Clubs are still seen as the poor relations of the Premier League . Until the power of the wealthy clubs AND their owners are forced to recognise their own futures are build around the success of the EFL and its grass roots by paying a fairer levy to the EFL  . This insulting suggestions of early kickoffs and all the inconveniences and losses of ever more income that would incurred, will never stop . Milking the EFL of its talented footballers only to pay wages beyond even the Premier Leagues sustainability , is just ignoring that issues of equality that were supposed to getting addressed during lock down , when team played behind closed doors without any resources.

[albie]

They may need to have a re-think if energy rationing is introduced this winter.

The EU today approved a plan to reduce electricity consumption as away of reducing demand to keep things running.

There will not be much sympathy for football burning it up when others are asked to go without.

[Panda]

As we saw during Covid. Football always finds a way to take precedence over the rest of society.

The Russians could send over nukes and the Premier League would carry on.

[ravenrover]

Baffled, have early kick offs been refused?

[roversdude]

I’ve read it three times and still unsure

[Panda]

Well i know Mansfield have brought a game forward to 1pm against Walsall soon to trial this. Daft thing is, they rearranged their game with Hartlepool (which was previously on a saturday) to tonight! A friday night! Doh!

Incidentally, they drew 2-2 at the wonk tonight with Hartlepool.

[Colin C No.3]

As we saw during Covid. Football always finds a way to take precedence over the rest of society.

The Russians could send over nukes and the Premier League would carry on.

Covid, football & the threat of the Russians using nuclear weapons all covered in 4 lines. If only all your posts could be so succinct!

[Panda]

I know. I'm a man of substance usually. Comes naturally to me.

[silent majority]

Baffled, have early kick offs been refused?

No, the EFL haven't even got around to discussing it with clubs yet.

[silent majority]

If after all that has happened over that past couple of seasons with clubs nearly going bust , a discussion as to changing kick off times, was so important to save a few quid on the electricity bill seems a bit petty . EFL Clubs are still seen as the poor relations of the Premier League . Until the power of the wealthy clubs AND their owners are forced to recognise their own futures are build around the success of the EFL and its grass roots by paying a fairer levy to the EFL  . This insulting suggestions of early kickoffs and all the inconveniences and losses of ever more income that would incurred, will never stop . Milking the EFL of its talented footballers only to pay wages beyond even the Premier Leagues sustainability , is just ignoring that issues of equality that were supposed to getting addressed during lock down , when team played behind closed doors without any resources.

There's no way you wrote that, you've nicked it from somewhere.

[knockers]

Baffled, have early kick offs been refused?

No, the EFL haven't even got around to discussing it with clubs yet.

5 live reported that there had been a meeting this week attended by all clubs and that they had pretty much agreed that they didn’t want to piss of the season ticket holders that had purchased for 3pms on a Saturday. Also that in the winter months it’s often gloomy at 1 pm so wouldn’t really save anything.

[roversontheup]

Another consideration is that by changing KO times to say 1pm it would require the team to travel down the day before if it involved a long trip. So increased costs could wipe out electricity savings.

[Panda]

Away fan numbers might also be reduced if kick offs are 12 or 1pm?

[roversdude]

If after all that has happened over that past couple of seasons with clubs nearly going bust , a discussion as to changing kick off times, was so important to save a few quid on the electricity bill seems a bit petty . EFL Clubs are still seen as the poor relations of the Premier League . Until the power of the wealthy clubs AND their owners are forced to recognise their own futures are build around the success of the EFL and its grass roots by paying a fairer levy to the EFL  . This insulting suggestions of early kickoffs and all the inconveniences and losses of ever more income that would incurred, will never stop . Milking the EFL of its talented footballers only to pay wages beyond even the Premier Leagues sustainability , is just ignoring that issues of equality that were supposed to getting addressed during lock down , when team played behind closed doors without any resources.

There's no way you wrote that, you've nicked it from somewhere.

Obviously he never wrote it there was no dig at Gavin in it

[DonnyNoel]

Another consideration is that by changing KO times to say 1pm it would require the team to travel down the day before if it involved a long trip. So increased costs could wipe out electricity savings.

From the article on the BBC site this is the crux of it - whats the potential loss vs the potential savings. Increased travel costs for the away team and possible reduction in away fans who might not travel due to not wanting to set out earlier.

[ForsolongaRover]

Sorry to be a bore, but in the “old days” pre floodlights, kick offs were 2:00pm. In those days we had 45 minute halves and a strict 10 minute half time. Matches finished at 3:40. It would usually still be reasonably light then and I don’t remember much about “added time”; it wasn’t specified in advance and I don’t remember it being a significant factor.

Coming back to earlier starts, in those days more people worked Saturday mornings as part of their working week and came to the match on the bus, yet still managed to get to there.

Would an hour’s difference in the KO time affect the decision to overnight or not??

Having said all this I can appreciate that attendances might be affected, but the light factor could be dealt with even if it meant putting the flood lights on for 15 minutes at the end.

[POD]

Sorry to be a bore, but in the “old days” pre floodlights, kick offs were 2:00pm. In those days we had 45 minute halves and a strict 10 minute half time. Matches finished at 3:40. It would usually still be reasonably light then and I don’t remember much about “added time”; it wasn’t specified in advance and I don’t remember it being a significant factor.

Coming back to earlier starts, in those days more people worked Saturday mornings as part of their working week and came to the match on the bus, yet still managed to get to there.

Would an hour’s difference in the KO time affect the decision to overnight or not??

Having said all this I can appreciate that attendances might be affected, but the light factor could be dealt with even if it meant putting the flood lights on for 15 minutes at the end.

Just moving on from your point about ‘final whistle’ times….. it’s noticeable that games do finish later and later these days.  Today’s result at Rochdale came through at almost 5pm and that seems to be normal nowadays.   
In the ‘old days’, results came through shortly after 4.40pm with the Grandstand Teleprinter and following that, the classified check was around 4.50pm.   
We now seem to have graduated to matches with a kick off time closer to 3.05pm, 15 minute half time and extended halves with lots of stoppage time, resulting in a finish time approaching 5pm and sometimes beyond. 
I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but virtually all the Scottish results come in before any of the English games despite all of them kicking off at 3pm.   What are they doing differently in Scotland?

[since-1969]

Baffled, have early kick offs been refused?

No, the EFL haven't even got around to discussing it with clubs yet.

it has  been rejected !!

[Panda]

Sorry to be a bore, but in the “old days” pre floodlights, kick offs were 2:00pm. In those days we had 45 minute halves and a strict 10 minute half time. Matches finished at 3:40. It would usually still be reasonably light then and I don’t remember much about “added time”; it wasn’t specified in advance and I don’t remember it being a significant factor.

Coming back to earlier starts, in those days more people worked Saturday mornings as part of their working week and came to the match on the bus, yet still managed to get to there.

Would an hour’s difference in the KO time affect the decision to overnight or not??

Having said all this I can appreciate that attendances might be affected, but the light factor could be dealt with even if it meant putting the flood lights on for 15 minutes at the end.

Just moving on from your point about ‘final whistle’ times….. it’s noticeable that games do finish later and later these days.  Today’s result at Rochdale came through at almost 5pm and that seems to be normal nowadays.   
In the ‘old days’, results came through shortly after 4.40pm with the Grandstand Teleprinter and following that, the classified check was around 4.50pm.   
We now seem to have graduated to matches with a kick off time closer to 3.05pm, 15 minute half time and extended halves with lots of stoppage time, resulting in a finish time approaching 5pm and sometimes beyond. 
I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but virtually all the Scottish results come in before any of the English games despite all of them kicking off at 3pm.   What are they doing differently in Scotland?

Yes. That Scottish results thing is just weird. It's like as if there is a 10 minute or so time difference between Scotland and England 

We kick off a bit late i think due to all that taking the knee guff and half time seems to take longer than it did. Stoppage time in second half never seems to be under about 4 minutes regardless so always ends up being final whistle around 5.

[ravenrover]

Sorry to be a bore, but in the “old days” pre floodlights, kick offs were 2:00pm. In those days we had 45 minute halves and a strict 10 minute half time. Matches finished at 3:40. It would usually still be reasonably light then and I don’t remember much about “added time”; it wasn’t specified in advance and I don’t remember it being a significant factor.

Coming back to earlier starts, in those days more people worked Saturday mornings as part of their working week and came to the match on the bus, yet still managed to get to there.

Would an hour’s difference in the KO time affect the decision to overnight or not??

Having said all this I can appreciate that attendances might be affected, but the light factor could be dealt with even if it meant putting the flood lights on for 15 minutes at the end.

Just moving on from your point about ‘final whistle’ times….. it’s noticeable that games do finish later and later these days.  Today’s result at Rochdale came through at almost 5pm and that seems to be normal nowadays.   
In the ‘old days’, results came through shortly after 4.40pm with the Grandstand Teleprinter and following that, the classified check was around 4.50pm.   
We now seem to have graduated to matches with a kick off time closer to 3.05pm, 15 minute half time and extended halves with lots of stoppage time, resulting in a finish time approaching 5pm and sometimes beyond. 
I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but virtually all the Scottish results come in before any of the English games despite all of them kicking off at 3pm.   What are they doing differently in Scotland?

Sports Report on the radio 5.00pm on the dot. Absolute silence whilst Dad checked his coupon, not a word until the coupon was thrown on the back of the coal fire with "bloody Blackburn let me down on me 4 aways. Had them down as me banker. And bloody Rovers losing away at Halifax, HALIFAX!!! What is the world coming to Hubert Bates should sell up"

[drfchound]

Sorry to be a bore, but in the “old days” pre floodlights, kick offs were 2:00pm. In those days we had 45 minute halves and a strict 10 minute half time. Matches finished at 3:40. It would usually still be reasonably light then and I don’t remember much about “added time”; it wasn’t specified in advance and I don’t remember it being a significant factor.

Coming back to earlier starts, in those days more people worked Saturday mornings as part of their working week and came to the match on the bus, yet still managed to get to there.

Would an hour’s difference in the KO time affect the decision to overnight or not??

Having said all this I can appreciate that attendances might be affected, but the light factor could be dealt with even if it meant putting the flood lights on for 15 minutes at the end.

Just moving on from your point about ‘final whistle’ times….. it’s noticeable that games do finish later and later these days.  Today’s result at Rochdale came through at almost 5pm and that seems to be normal nowadays.   
In the ‘old days’, results came through shortly after 4.40pm with the Grandstand Teleprinter and following that, the classified check was around 4.50pm.   
We now seem to have graduated to matches with a kick off time closer to 3.05pm, 15 minute half time and extended halves with lots of stoppage time, resulting in a finish time approaching 5pm and sometimes beyond. 
I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but virtually all the Scottish results come in before any of the English games despite all of them kicking off at 3pm.   What are they doing differently in Scotland?

Yes. That Scottish results thing is just weird. It's like as if there is a 10 minute or so time difference between Scotland and England 

We kick off a bit late i think due to all that taking the knee guff and half time seems to take longer than it did. Stoppage time in second half never seems to be under about 4 minutes regardless so always ends up being final whistle around 5.

We have kicked off at nearer to five past three than three o’clock for quite a while now.

[silent majority]

Baffled, have early kick offs been refused?

No, the EFL haven't even got around to discussing it with clubs yet.

5 live reported that there had been a meeting this week attended by all clubs and that they had pretty much agreed that they didn’t want to piss of the season ticket holders that had purchased for 3pms on a Saturday. Also that in the winter months it’s often gloomy at 1 pm so wouldn’t really save anything.

Fair enough. There was a lot of email traffic this week from all the supporter groups connected to EFL clubs about this very subject and it was mentioned that the EFL had not made contact although the supporter groups were taking this up with their own clubs.