ECHR

[roverstillidie91]

See the Tories are going after our rights now.

https://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1732721427118243967?s=19

I also see neither Labour or Lib Dems didn't back a motion for the minimum service bill for trade union strikes.

https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1732463481507496130?s=19

Well that's up to 6 millions trade union members not going to vote for the main 3 then.

[Bentley Bullet]

Still hope for the Britain Surrendering Together party.

[SydneyRover]

See the Tories are going after our rights now.

https://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1732721427118243967?s=19

I also see neither Labour or Lib Dems didn't back a motion for the minimum service bill for trade union strikes.

https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1732463481507496130?s=19

Well that's up to 6 millions trade union members not going to vote for the main 3 then.

You have to accept that the tories are desperate for a war, culture or any other type and will keep this type of thing going right up till the election. It's up to the other parties to deny them that last ditch opportunity to distract those that want to engage them with facts. Think of it as a type of bb tactics 91.

[SydneyRover]

This captures my thoughts 91

......... ''Which prime minister originally signed off on the idea of exporting asylum seekers to Rwanda, a plan that was always as unworkable as it is morally offensive, and which coincidentally unravelled just as Johnson took the witness stand? It was, of course, one Boris Johnson, who launched it the day after receiving his partygate fine in what was seen at the time as an attempt to deflect from his embarrassment. Sunak could have torn the Rwanda plan up on becoming leader but was too afraid of the Tory right, which has characteristically now turned on him anyway''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/07/far-from-cleaning-up-boris-johnsons-covid-mess-rishi-sunak-is-drowning-in-it

[Sprotyrover]

See the Tories are going after our rights now.

https://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1732721427118243967?s=19

I also see neither Labour or Lib Dems didn't back a motion for the minimum service bill for trade union strikes.

https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1732463481507496130?s=19

Well that's up to 6 millions trade union members not going to vote for the main 3 then.

You have to accept that the tories are desperate for a war, culture or any other type and will keep this type of thing going right up till the election. It's up to the other parties to deny them that last ditch opportunity to distract those that want to engage them with facts. Think of it as a type of bb tactics 91.

Your vote will count!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Be careful, the tweet is conjecture and without evidence given they haven't announced the legislation, posters on here don't like that....

Clearly though there are many people who do think immigration is an issue, interesting stats below;

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/

For me the overarching concern is that this policy is not the answer.  But I don't see that anyone does have an answer do they?

[Dutch Uncle]

Whether this policy solves the problem is very debatable.

But in any case, once again the Government shows they do not care about Northern Ireland, which is a plaything for them when it suits. The ECHR underpins the Good Friday Agreement, and removing it has definite risks for NI.

https://eachother.org.uk/good-friday-agreement-echr/

[roverstillidie91]

See the Tories are going after our rights now.

https://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1732721427118243967?s=19

I also see neither Labour or Lib Dems didn't back a motion for the minimum service bill for trade union strikes.

https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1732463481507496130?s=19

Well that's up to 6 millions trade union members not going to vote for the main 3 then.

You have to accept that the tories are desperate for a war, culture or any other type and will keep this type of thing going right up till the election. It's up to the other parties to deny them that last ditch opportunity to distract those that want to engage them with facts. Think of it as a type of bb tactics 91.

Your vote will count!

the trade union Congress should mobilise the 6 million union members to vote against Starmer, that would cause them a head ache.

Also the minimum strike levels breaches the brexit agreement too.

[roverstillidie91]

This captures my thoughts 91

......... ''Which prime minister originally signed off on the idea of exporting asylum seekers to Rwanda, a plan that was always as unworkable as it is morally offensive, and which coincidentally unravelled just as Johnson took the witness stand? It was, of course, one Boris Johnson, who launched it the day after receiving his partygate fine in what was seen at the time as an attempt to deflect from his embarrassment. Sunak could have torn the Rwanda plan up on becoming leader but was too afraid of the Tory right, which has characteristically now turned on him anyway''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/07/far-from-cleaning-up-boris-johnsons-covid-mess-rishi-sunak-is-drowning-in-it

geneeral public are being led down the garden path well and truly

[danumdon]

See the Tories are going after our rights now.

https://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1732721427118243967?s=19

I also see neither Labour or Lib Dems didn't back a motion for the minimum service bill for trade union strikes.

https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1732463481507496130?s=19

Well that's up to 6 millions trade union members not going to vote for the main 3 then.

You have to accept that the tories are desperate for a war, culture or any other type and will keep this type of thing going right up till the election. It's up to the other parties to deny them that last ditch opportunity to distract those that want to engage them with facts. Think of it as a type of bb tactics 91.

Your vote will count!

the trade union Congress should mobilise the 6 million union members to vote against Starmer, that would cause them a head ache.

Also the minimum strike levels breaches the brexit agreement too.

Do you seriously think that the TUC or even the individual unions have that sort of clout?

WE have some of our staff in a union, they pay £23.00 quid a month (i'm thinking its the same union that your in)

They have had absolutely bugger all for their membership fee and are now talking about bringing their grievances to management personally. To me that's been typical of that union for years with regard to our staff.

[i_ateallthepies]

Isn't yours one of those unions that's been battling the Rail companies on your behalf for the last eighteen months, DD?

[tyke1962]

See the Tories are going after our rights now.

https://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1732721427118243967?s=19

I also see neither Labour or Lib Dems didn't back a motion for the minimum service bill for trade union strikes.

https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1732463481507496130?s=19

Well that's up to 6 millions trade union members not going to vote for the main 3 then.

You have to accept that the tories are desperate for a war, culture or any other type and will keep this type of thing going right up till the election. It's up to the other parties to deny them that last ditch opportunity to distract those that want to engage them with facts. Think of it as a type of bb tactics 91.

Your vote will count!

the trade union Congress should mobilise the 6 million union members to vote against Starmer, that would cause them a head ache.

Also the minimum strike levels breaches the brexit agreement too.

Do you seriously think that the TUC or even the individual unions have that sort of clout?

WE have some of our staff in a union, they pay £23.00 quid a month (i'm thinking its the same union that your in)

They have had absolutely bugger all for their membership fee and are now talking about bringing their grievances to management personally. To me that's been typical of that union for years with regard to our staff.

If the members are continuously getting let down by their leaders then there's a democratic answer to that and that's to stop voting them in and replace them with leaders who will address the members concerns .

The other potential flaw with your post and I do stress potential is that in my past experience is that members think by simply paying their subs and nothing else they seem to be of the opinion that they play no part what so ever in their employment health .

Many don't grasp that trade unions are bottom to top organisations and it's the members who have the clout and any trade union is only as strong as it's members .

The days of the car park and intimidating show of hands voting systems are long gone .

[danumdon]

Isn't yours one of those unions that's been battling the Rail companies on your behalf for the last eighteen months, DD?

Er, no its not been battling the rail companies because our company is a private concern and has nothing to do with Rail delivery group for pay bargaining. Our guys got a very fair pay settlement which they accepted without any action.

[danumdon]

See the Tories are going after our rights now.

https://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1732721427118243967?s=19

I also see neither Labour or Lib Dems didn't back a motion for the minimum service bill for trade union strikes.

https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1732463481507496130?s=19

Well that's up to 6 millions trade union members not going to vote for the main 3 then.

You have to accept that the tories are desperate for a war, culture or any other type and will keep this type of thing going right up till the election. It's up to the other parties to deny them that last ditch opportunity to distract those that want to engage them with facts. Think of it as a type of bb tactics 91.

Your vote will count!

the trade union Congress should mobilise the 6 million union members to vote against Starmer, that would cause them a head ache.

Also the minimum strike levels breaches the brexit agreement too.

Do you seriously think that the TUC or even the individual unions have that sort of clout?

WE have some of our staff in a union, they pay £23.00 quid a month (i'm thinking its the same union that your in)

They have had absolutely bugger all for their membership fee and are now talking about bringing their grievances to management personally. To me that's been typical of that union for years with regard to our staff.

If the members are continuously getting let down by their leaders then there's a democratic answer to that and that's to stop voting them in and replace them with leaders who will address the members concerns .

The other potential flaw with your post and I do stress potential is that in my past experience is that members think by simply paying their subs and nothing else they seem to be of the opinion that they play no part what so ever in their employment health .

Many don't grasp that trade unions are bottom to top organisations and it's the members who have the clout and any trade union is only as strong as it's members .

The days of the car park and intimidating show of hands voting systems are long gone .

Yes, i totally agree they have been led up the garden path and back again, The union don't carry out their wishes or demands and they still pay their subs towards what is in effect legalised robbery.

The problems they have at this time is not pay related but more towards terms and conditions agreements and in effect how they are worked.

All terms and conditions were agreed with union involvement and at the time were put to the staff and they voted to accept them.

They have now decided that they don't like the conditions and the union don't want to play ball with them.

[tommy toes]

I was a psychiatric nurse until retiring.
No problem with the unions, but I have a massive issue with the Nursing and Midwifery Council.
To maintain your registration, each nurse has to pay them £120 every year, or they did when I was still registered, might be more now.
Now there are upwards of 730,000 registered nurses in the UK, all paying £120 a year. So that's £87 million per year. Every year.
All you get for this is some dodgy online training and investigations of malpractice, where they decide whether to have you struck off.
What the f*ck they do with the money I've no idea, other than operate from swish offices in various points around  London and pay their executives a fortune.
It's a scandal that should be investigated.

[tyke1962]

See the Tories are going after our rights now.

https://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1732721427118243967?s=19

I also see neither Labour or Lib Dems didn't back a motion for the minimum service bill for trade union strikes.

https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1732463481507496130?s=19

Well that's up to 6 millions trade union members not going to vote for the main 3 then.

You have to accept that the tories are desperate for a war, culture or any other type and will keep this type of thing going right up till the election. It's up to the other parties to deny them that last ditch opportunity to distract those that want to engage them with facts. Think of it as a type of bb tactics 91.

Your vote will count!

the trade union Congress should mobilise the 6 million union members to vote against Starmer, that would cause them a head ache.

Also the minimum strike levels breaches the brexit agreement too.

Do you seriously think that the TUC or even the individual unions have that sort of clout?

WE have some of our staff in a union, they pay £23.00 quid a month (i'm thinking its the same union that your in)

They have had absolutely bugger all for their membership fee and are now talking about bringing their grievances to management personally. To me that's been typical of that union for years with regard to our staff.

If the members are continuously getting let down by their leaders then there's a democratic answer to that and that's to stop voting them in and replace them with leaders who will address the members concerns .

The other potential flaw with your post and I do stress potential is that in my past experience is that members think by simply paying their subs and nothing else they seem to be of the opinion that they play no part what so ever in their employment health .

Many don't grasp that trade unions are bottom to top organisations and it's the members who have the clout and any trade union is only as strong as it's members .

The days of the car park and intimidating show of hands voting systems are long gone .

Yes, i totally agree they have been led up the garden path and back again, The union don't carry out their wishes or demands and they still pay their subs towards what is in effect legalised robbery.

The problems they have at this time is not pay related but more towards terms and conditions agreements and in effect how they are worked.

All terms and conditions were agreed with union involvement and at the time were put to the staff and they voted to accept them.

They have now decided that they don't like the conditions and the union don't want to play ball with them.

The situation you've spoken about is unfortunately as old as the beginning of time , where members expectations aren't always met with their representatives view of reality .

I'm coming from a view that not all trade union representatives are good much the same as all management isn't great either .

Speaking from experience and before the matter went to a vote what normally happens is that the members representatives would advise them on how they should vote , the representatives would have read the room with management and you generally know what is the last offer on the table and what isn't .

If the members don't accept the advice which they are under no obligation to and rightly so the representatives will leave the room and let the members discuss the matter amongst themselves and decide on a course of action they can agree on , they then inform the representatives of that action .

However , to have voted as a group of members on this particular issue and settled with management only to change their mind afterwards puts the representatives in a very weak position .

The same as it would if management renegaded on an agreed issue with trade union members , it tends not to go down too well .

The Facts would have had to change dramatically from the time the agreement was made and up until the members got pyssed off .

If those facts haven't changed or are minimal then asking trade union representatives to renegotiate a deal the members themselves have voted to agree on is to be honest a bit of a big ask .