Faiza Shaheen

[BillyStubbsTears]

She's said nothing on Newsnight or anywhere else about liking pro-Hamas tweets.

[Sprotyrover]

You clearly were not listening, she even accepted that she understood why it was offensive!

[ChrisBx]

Starmer has dropped a bit of a bollock over this. Granted, Corbyn and his allies are generally unpopular with the overall electorate, however Abbott seems to be well liked in her constituency and Shaheen had a real chance of unseating a prominent Tory.

Given that Labour are on track for a significant majority, I don't see why Labour have taken on this fight for the sake of removing 3 left wing MPs who may be challenging further down the line (disregarding Russell-Moyle who is completely toxic).

[tyke1962]

Labour have totally lost the plot over this issue.

If COURSE Abbott must be allowed to stand.

Of COURSE Shaheen must be allowed to stand.

I've written to my local CLP telling them I'm resigning my membership if they go through with this. Not much really, but I can't do any more.

Fair play Billy , admire your stance.

[scawsby steve]

Well done, BST. That's very magnanimous, putting principles before your support of your party.

If Starmer starts upsetting people like you, then he's heading for big trouble.

[scawsby steve]

Labour have totally lost the plot over this issue.

If COURSE Abbott must be allowed to stand.

Of COURSE Shaheen must be allowed to stand.

I've written to my local CLP telling them I'm resigning my membership if they go through with this. Not much really, but I can't do any more.

BST, I admire your stance in threatening to resign if the LP go through with the banning of Abbott and Shaheen but I genuinely wonder whether your threat will mean anything to them.
That isn’t me being disrespectful to you, but is a thought only.
I suppose that if enough people resigned it might resonate a bit more with them.
You are a fully committed Party member but the general public at large won’t know or care about things like this and I’m guessing that they (the LP) won’t care too much about losing a few members if it doesn’t seriously affect the big lead in the polls.

You're right, Hound, but only because of Labour's massive lead in the polls.

If the Tories hadn't made such a f*ck-up of everything, Starmer wouldn't have been able to get away with things like this.

[wilts rover]

Hi Wilts, don’t know the background to this but it’s getting picked up now

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/faiza-shaheen-labour-iain-duncan-smith-national-executive-committee-chingford-b2553576.html

Thanks Ldr. I don't follow this lady so don't know what she tweets but I had seen the allegations last night about her being suspended because she has been critical of this Israel government (and critical of people who support the stance of this Israeli government).

Not until sproty started this thread did I ever read anywhere she has supported Hamas and/or 'liked Pro-Hamas tweets'.

The lack of evidence sproty has given to support his allegation therefore makes me conclude...

Wilts sorry to disappoint you , my evidence was taken from her newsnight interview, honestly I don’t know why you are trying to make an issue of my OP I assume you are another Woke lefty on a ‘Fishing’ Expedition!

But that's not true is it sproty. I have just watched the Newsnight interview - which isn't great, she should have taken more time to think about what she was going to say and to justify her actions - but nowhere in that interview is she asked about Hamas, are any Hamas tweets mention or indeed, is the word Hamas mentioned at all.

You can assume anything you like sproty, but twice now in this thread have you claimed something that is demonstratably untrue. I am 'making an issue of it' (your OP) because it's wrong and false.

And attempting to insult me because I have pulled you up on it is hardly going to make me stop is it? Although if you want to just trade insults so that other posters forget what the actual point of a thread is then there's a few other posters can help you with that, I can't be bothered.

This is the interview if anyone else wants to watch it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAIqzYoj1Jc

[ChrisBx]

Confirmed that Shaheen has been deselected. New candidate named earlier this evening.

[MachoMadness]

The new candidate is part of the right wing faction unsurprisingly, but she is also on Labour's disciplinary committee!

So Shaheen dedicates herself to the seat for 5 years, including canvassing with a newborn, she gets disciplined for next to nothing, and one of the people responsible for disciplining her gets parachuted into the seat.

Honestly that is so nakedly corrupt I can't even see the Tories doing it. Cummings had more shame than this mob. These are the people who will be in charge for the next five years. f**k me.

[Bentley Bullet]

You think it's bad now?

Be afraid.

Be VERY AFRAID.

[Sprotyrover]

Hi Wilts, don’t know the background to this but it’s getting picked up now

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/faiza-shaheen-labour-iain-duncan-smith-national-executive-committee-chingford-b2553576.html

Thanks Ldr. I don't follow this lady so don't know what she tweets but I had seen the allegations last night about her being suspended because she has been critical of this Israel government (and critical of people who support the stance of this Israeli government).

Not until sproty started this thread did I ever read anywhere she has supported Hamas and/or 'liked Pro-Hamas tweets'.

The lack of evidence sproty has given to support his allegation therefore makes me conclude...

Wilts sorry to disappoint you , my evidence was taken from her newsnight interview, honestly I don’t know why you are trying to make an issue of my OP I assume you are another Woke lefty on a ‘Fishing’ Expedition!

But that's not true is it sproty. I have just watched the Newsnight interview - which isn't great, she should have taken more time to think about what she was going to say and to justify her actions - but nowhere in that interview is she asked about Hamas, are any Hamas tweets mention or indeed, is the word Hamas mentioned at all.

You can assume anything you like sproty, but twice now in this thread have you claimed something that is demonstratably untrue. I am 'making an issue of it' (your OP) because it's wrong and false.

And attempting to insult me because I have pulled you up on it is hardly going to make me stop is it? Although if you want to just trade insults so that other posters forget what the actual point of a thread is then there's a few other posters can help you with that, I can't be bothered.

This is the interview if anyone else wants to watch it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAIqzYoj1Jc

If you think you have a point to make I suggest you type out a full transcript of the inter and then we can pick the ‘bones’ out of it!

[albie]

Shaheen has been replaced by a Starmerite councillor from Brent, not even a Chingford local;
https://nitter.poast.org/faizashaheen/status/1796279989828206862#mh

I expect she will stand as an Indy (or Green) to contest the seat.

[wilts rover]

Hi Wilts, don’t know the background to this but it’s getting picked up now

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/faiza-shaheen-labour-iain-duncan-smith-national-executive-committee-chingford-b2553576.html

Thanks Ldr. I don't follow this lady so don't know what she tweets but I had seen the allegations last night about her being suspended because she has been critical of this Israel government (and critical of people who support the stance of this Israeli government).

Not until sproty started this thread did I ever read anywhere she has supported Hamas and/or 'liked Pro-Hamas tweets'.

The lack of evidence sproty has given to support his allegation therefore makes me conclude...

Wilts sorry to disappoint you , my evidence was taken from her newsnight interview, honestly I don’t know why you are trying to make an issue of my OP I assume you are another Woke lefty on a ‘Fishing’ Expedition!

But that's not true is it sproty. I have just watched the Newsnight interview - which isn't great, she should have taken more time to think about what she was going to say and to justify her actions - but nowhere in that interview is she asked about Hamas, are any Hamas tweets mention or indeed, is the word Hamas mentioned at all.

You can assume anything you like sproty, but twice now in this thread have you claimed something that is demonstratably untrue. I am 'making an issue of it' (your OP) because it's wrong and false.

And attempting to insult me because I have pulled you up on it is hardly going to make me stop is it? Although if you want to just trade insults so that other posters forget what the actual point of a thread is then there's a few other posters can help you with that, I can't be bothered.

This is the interview if anyone else wants to watch it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAIqzYoj1Jc

If you think you have a point to make I suggest you type out a full transcript of the inter and then we can pick the ‘bones’ out of it!

You are the one claiming she 'liked po-Hamas tweets'. Where in that interview are 'pro-Hamas tweets mentioned'?

Either a transcript or a timing on the video if you like.

It's not me that's spreading lies.

[Sprotyrover]

Hi Wilts, don’t know the background to this but it’s getting picked up now

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/faiza-shaheen-labour-iain-duncan-smith-national-executive-committee-chingford-b2553576.html

Thanks Ldr. I don't follow this lady so don't know what she tweets but I had seen the allegations last night about her being suspended because she has been critical of this Israel government (and critical of people who support the stance of this Israeli government).

Not until sproty started this thread did I ever read anywhere she has supported Hamas and/or 'liked Pro-Hamas tweets'.

The lack of evidence sproty has given to support his allegation therefore makes me conclude...

Wilts sorry to disappoint you , my evidence was taken from her newsnight interview, honestly I don’t know why you are trying to make an issue of my OP I assume you are another Woke lefty on a ‘Fishing’ Expedition!

But that's not true is it sproty. I have just watched the Newsnight interview - which isn't great, she should have taken more time to think about what she was going to say and to justify her actions - but nowhere in that interview is she asked about Hamas, are any Hamas tweets mention or indeed, is the word Hamas mentioned at all.

You can assume anything you like sproty, but twice now in this thread have you claimed something that is demonstratably untrue. I am 'making an issue of it' (your OP) because it's wrong and false.

And attempting to insult me because I have pulled you up on it is hardly going to make me stop is it? Although if you want to just trade insults so that other posters forget what the actual point of a thread is then there's a few other posters can help you with that, I can't be bothered.

This is the interview if anyone else wants to watch it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAIqzYoj1Jc

If you think you have a point to make I suggest you type out a full transcript of the inter and then we can pick the ‘bones’ out of it!

You are the one claiming she 'liked po-Hamas tweets'. Where in that interview are 'pro-Hamas tweets mentioned'?

Either a transcript or a timing on the video if you like.

It's not me that's spreading lies.

Hey Wilts I am not into spreading lies if I had realised that my op would be so upsetting for you I wouldn’t have bothered, she like a Tweet it was either anti semitic or Pro Hamas! I could Link it as it was on the Tele, so completely in the public domain , thanks for picking me up if I made an error but do not call me a liar!

[Bentley Bullet]

Sproty, only those on the Labour side make errors, the rest of us are liars!

Sorry, but that is the way on this forum.

[albie]

Faiza Shaheen has now resigned from the Labour Party.

Here is her statement;
https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGPOwDpjWEAEPqWw.jpg

Ch4 News did a piece on her removal, including some audio clips from the process;
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1797929945227812864/vid/avc1/1280x720/jxDdbmmwk-revda0.mp4?tag=14

[BillyStubbsTears]

Faiza Shaheen has now resigned from the Labour Party.

Here is her statement;
https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGPOwDpjWEAEPqWw.jpg

Ch4 News did a piece on her removal, including some audio clips from the process;
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1797929945227812864/vid/avc1/1280x720/jxDdbmmwk-revda0.mp4?tag=14

It would be handy to see a full lists of the accusations that the NEC faced her with. All I've seen so far is her saying that the list "included" ones which seemed minor.

[albie]

Yes BST, I wonder why they don't just give a clear explanation.

Same with Lloyd Russell Moyle, who does not know what he is accused of, and who has made an accusation.
Innocent until proved guilty like!

Still, I expect there is a reason why not, eh?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Albie

Shaheen could list all the accusations she was faced with.

All I can see at the moment is reference from her to SOME of the evidence.

[scawsby steve]

When you're getting power with a 194 seat majority, you can do all the arrogant bullying you want.

Watch this space.

[albie]

No BST,

She is presumably now under legal advice not to comment further until her deselection, and its lawfulness, have been determined.
I expect she is considering action in the courts, and so will not wish to act to the detriment of any such case.

The NEC, on the other hand, should show full transparency of due process, in relation to all outstanding decisions and cases.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Strange that she's sending recordings of part of the interview to C4 News then, no?

[Sprotyrover]

That Baby of hers keeps getting dragged into it all!

[albie]

Not really BST.

All the CH4 audio clip shows is that a n audio recording exists, in part or whole.
Nothing said there is prejudicial as far as I can see. We do not know who has the original, and if copies exist.

The real issue is why the NEC has not given a statement of facts to back up the decision to impose sanctions on particular candidates.
Those measures deny full membership rights, while membership is still valid.

Lloyd RM has been removed from his position as a standing MP, on the basis of an unproven allegation.
This is at odds with the principles of natural justice, as he has been presumed guilty before evidence has been considered.

If you had been dismissed on such a basis, presumably you would seek remedy through the courts or an employment tribunal.
There are trade union issues in play, and anyone accused would expect the right to an advisor present at the hearing.

The conduct of the NEC needs to be fully transparent, otherwise it is not possible to see that the rules have been fairly applied.

[drfchound]

Labour have totally lost the plot over this issue.

If COURSE Abbott must be allowed to stand.

Of COURSE Shaheen must be allowed to stand.

I've written to my local CLP telling them I'm resigning my membership if they go through with this. Not much really, but I can't do any more.

Does this last statement still apply?