1.85m for Billy?

[VikingJames]

No matter what was said in interviews we allowed Coppinger to speak to Ipswich, he spoke to Ipswich before opting to sign a new deal with us.

Where is the source for this then? Because most of us on here are under the impression that we rejected Ipswich's £300k offer for Copps, and that was the end of it. There was mention of a second (higher) bid from them for Billy (also rejected), but nothing further on Copps at the time, as far as I can remember.

[northern soul]

Or just the fact that if Ryan says 3 million is the trigger then maybe teams will bid 3 million rather than the smaller actual release fee.

[Jonathan]

No matter what was said in interviews we allowed Coppinger to speak to Ipswich, he spoke to Ipswich before opting to sign a new deal with us.

Where is the source for this then? Because most of us on here are under the impression that we rejected Ipswich's £300k offer for Copps, and that was the end of it. There was mention of a second (higher) bid from them for Billy (also rejected), but nothing further on Copps at the time, as far as I can remember.

I'm simply stating what is true. Whether you believe it or not is immaterial as it doesn't change the fact that it's true.

I'm fully aware that we made public statements about laughing off the bid but it doesn't change the fact that, as a result of the bid, we gave him permission to speak to them. He spoke to Ipswich, and at the time made a decision to stay here, simple as that.

If you believe every statement that is made then please don't dig back over some of the others!

[dumbroofer]

my take on it is,that JR has a gentlemans agreement with billy that they have to allow him (if he wants to) to speak to whoever offers £3m but not that it is set in stone he can go for said amount.
but saying that i have been wrong before(often) about things i know bugger all about.

[RoversAlias]

Stop doubting Jonathan guys, it's obviously true. Can't you see...Jonathan said it was true, therefore it is true.

I wouldn't mind Jon, and I'm not even saying you aren't right...but you have provided no proof and we all remember the club laughing off the bid as a complete joke. I've seen nothing to the contrary.

We can all go back and forth on what has been said by JR, Billy, Willie, Donny Dog and Jonathan's neighbour's cat...at the end of the day we will just have to wait and see, and hope upon hope that JR can persuade Billy to stay here for the foreseeable future. I would be very disappointed if he left us in the lurch halfway through the season when we're in the relegation zone.

[VikingJames]

No matter what was said in interviews we allowed Coppinger to speak to Ipswich, he spoke to Ipswich before opting to sign a new deal with us.

Where is the source for this then? Because most of us on here are under the impression that we rejected Ipswich's £300k offer for Copps, and that was the end of it. There was mention of a second (higher) bid from them for Billy (also rejected), but nothing further on Copps at the time, as far as I can remember.

I'm simply stating what is true. Whether you believe it or not is immaterial as it doesn't change the fact that it's true.

I'm fully aware that we made public statements about laughing off the bid but it doesn't change the fact that, as a result of the bid, we gave him permission to speak to them. He spoke to Ipswich, and at the time made a decision to stay here, simple as that.

If you believe every statement that is made then please don't dig back over some of the others!

I just want to know where you got the information from. As far as I know, this wasn't in the public domain, so I'm assuming you've heard this from an 'insider' of some sort.

What do you expect me to do? Just believe everything you say, even if it's not common knowledge and hasn't been officially reported.

I'm hardly going to just sit here and just accept what you say just because you say you are 'simply stating what is true.' If I made a claim on here which you had no reason to believe, you'd probably ask me to back it up with a source before you'd believe it, because it's crucial to know where the information is from in order to weigh up whether you are to believe it or not.

[Jonathan]

Stop doubting Jonathan guys, it's obviously true. Can't you see...Jonathan said it was true, therefore it is true.

I wouldn't mind Jon, and I'm not even saying you aren't right...but you have provided no proof and we all remember the club laughing off the bid as a complete joke. I've seen nothing to the contrary.

We can all go back and forth on what has been said by JR, Billy, Willie, Donny Dog and Jonathan's neighbour's cat...at the end of the day we will just have to wait and see, and hope upon hope that JR can persuade Billy to stay here for the foreseeable future. I would be very disappointed if he left us in the lurch halfway through the season when we're in the relegation zone.

No need to go on about sources or provide proof, it's a fact, simple as that! I don't care who on here believes what. It makes no difference having a go at me and makes no difference if every last person on here thinks I'm wrong!

The bid was a joke, but we still allowed Coppinger to speak to Ipswich and he still did so, he considered their offer but opted to sign with us! I have a feeling he might even have given a public interview not so long back confirming so but I can't be bothered looking as no-one would believe it regardless.

[VikingJames]

That's the thing Jonathan. People probably would believe you if you posted the interview.

Thing is, saying \"Coppinger spoke to Ipswich and that is a fact\" doesn't really wash when it's not common knowledge and there's no source to accompany it.

[Jonathan]

That's the thing Jonathan. People probably would believe you if you posted the interview.

Thing is, saying \"Coppinger spoke to Ipswich and that is a fact\" doesn't really wash when it's not common knowledge and there's no source to accompany it.

Fair enough, don't believe it then!

It is a fact though, not necessarily important as he decided to stay regardless. Whether he would do so again.... maybe we'll see.

[VikingJames]

That's the thing Jonathan. People probably would believe you if you posted the interview.

Thing is, saying \"Coppinger spoke to Ipswich and that is a fact\" doesn't really wash when it's not common knowledge and there's no source to accompany it.

Fair enough, don't believe it then!

It is a fact though, not necessarily important as he decided to stay regardless. Whether he would do so again.... maybe we'll see.

See my post previous to that.

Why do you expect me to believe you? It's not common knowledge and you appear to have no source. So I won't, thanks.

I'm sorry that you're so pissed off with Doncaster Rovers and the VSC Forum and everybody on it, but if I came on here and made a claim, you'd expect me to justify it.

[Jonathan]

That's the thing Jonathan. People probably would believe you if you posted the interview.

Thing is, saying \"Coppinger spoke to Ipswich and that is a fact\" doesn't really wash when it's not common knowledge and there's no source to accompany it.

Fair enough, don't believe it then!

It is a fact though, not necessarily important as he decided to stay regardless. Whether he would do so again.... maybe we'll see.

See my post previous to that.

Why do you expect me to believe you? It's not common knowledge and you appear to have no source. So I won't, thanks.

I'm sorry that you're so pissed off with Doncaster Rovers and the VSC Forum and everybody on it, but if I came on here and made a claim, you'd expect me to justify it.

I don't care! You're the one pushing for a source and you must have gathered I'm not inclined to say. I must admit I thought it was more common knowledge hence getting involved in the first place, but evidently not.

I don't expect you to believe me or care remotely if you don't!

[dickos1]

Don't see what it matters? He may of gone to speak to them with the proviso they increased their offer. Cause we never accepted 300k for him.
Either way he never went and has now signed a new contract.

[ditch_drfc]

That's the thing Jonathan. People probably would believe you if you posted the interview.

Thing is, saying \"Coppinger spoke to Ipswich and that is a fact\" doesn't really wash when it's not common knowledge and there's no source to accompany it.

Fair enough, don't believe it then!

It is a fact though, not necessarily important as he decided to stay regardless. Whether he would do so again.... maybe we'll see.

I think it's the same sort of fact as Coppinger's Mrs has put in a transfer to Ipswich royal infirmary

[Jonathan]

Don't see what it matters? He may have gone to speak to them with the proviso they increased their offer.

You may be closer to the reality there. Nowhere did I say we accepted any specific bid, but we did allow him to speak to them, and he did.

If I remember rightly we never used the terminology of accepting Southampton's bid for Sharp at that time either, merely that we allowed him to speak to them.

When you do that you are opening the door for a player to leave, and basically at their mercy on whether they decide to or not. This summer Coppinger and Sharp said no.

In previous years we received bids for Wellens and Mills, allowed them to speak to clubs and they said yes. This summer we were fortunate that the players wanted to stay.

This whole thing started because someone said \"why didn't we sell him (Sharp) in the summer?\"

The answer is we would have done, but he decided not to go (thankfully)

[Jonathan]

I think it's the same sort of fact as Coppinger's Mrs has put in a transfer to Ipswich royal infirmary

I haven't got a clue what you're on about with that!

[dickos1]

I remember something along those lines. Jewell is also quoted as saying he knows for a fact sharp was interested in going Ipswich in the summer. So maybe they both spoke to the players with our permission but we couldn't agree a fee. Whereas the Southampton scenario we accepted the offer but he declined it!

[Mr1Croft]

I was gonna say something similar, Jewell obviously spoke to Billy to know how badly Sharp wanted to go. My guess is we rejected the first bid, they asked our permission to speak to them, which is why they were reports of 'an improved offer' being launched by Ipswich.

But on £1.85 Million, we have spent around £1.87 Million on Billy (£1.15 Million for Transfer fee and 720k on his wages [18 months x 4 weeks x 10k, AROUND]), it then looks asif we lost around 20k for his services to the club; not that bad in the contrast. Clubs know our situation and won't be held to ransom, I find £2.5 Million quite complimentary and more than acceptable.

[VixDRFC]

I remember something along those lines. Jewell is also quoted as saying he knows for a fact sharp was interested in going Ipswich in the summer. So maybe they both spoke to the players with our permission but we couldn't agree a fee. Whereas the Southampton scenario we accepted the offer but he declined it!

Re the Ipswich deal, forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought the clubs had to agree a fee before they spoke to the player (if its above board) why would you give permisson for a player to speak to a club if you had no idea of a transfer fee

And I'd believe Billy Sharp's word over Paul Jewell's anyday!

[VikingJames]

That's the thing Jonathan. People probably would believe you if you posted the interview.

Thing is, saying \"Coppinger spoke to Ipswich and that is a fact\" doesn't really wash when it's not common knowledge and there's no source to accompany it.

Fair enough, don't believe it then!

It is a fact though, not necessarily important as he decided to stay regardless. Whether he would do so again.... maybe we'll see.

See my post previous to that.

Why do you expect me to believe you? It's not common knowledge and you appear to have no source. So I won't, thanks.

I'm sorry that you're so pissed off with Doncaster Rovers and the VSC Forum and everybody on it, but if I came on here and made a claim, you'd expect me to justify it.

I don't care! You're the one pushing for a source and you must have gathered I'm not inclined to say. I must admit I thought it was more common knowledge hence getting involved in the first place, but evidently not.

I don't expect you to believe me or care remotely if you don't!

I'm not 'pushing for a source,' but you have presented something as a fact, without anybody else knowing it is a fact and without you having (or wanting to provide) any way of proving it's a fact. If you're not inclined say where you got the information from, why put the information out there? Did you expect it to pass without anybody questioning it? The fact that your source is some big secret suggests that the information itself probably should be too.

I know you don't care whether people believe you, but can you understand why people would question it, when all you've put forward is your word?

[Mr1Croft]

I remember something along those lines. Jewell is also quoted as saying he knows for a fact sharp was interested in going Ipswich in the summer. So maybe they both spoke to the players with our permission but we couldn't agree a fee. Whereas the Southampton scenario we accepted the offer but he declined it!

Re the Ipswich deal, forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought the clubs had to agree a fee before they spoke to the player (if its above board) why would you give permisson for a player to speak to a club if you had no idea of a transfer fee

And I'd believe Billy Sharp's word over Paul Jewell's anyday!

You would normally expect there to be some 'insurance' with an official bid to allow clubs to talk to your players but I think it is at the club's decision, the Torres deal was one that was agreed between player and club, but the two clubs took so long over a transfer fee, and you can see why Chelsea were reluctant to pay £50 million.

Did we actually hear a word of Billy Sharp's over the Ipswich bid? because I was lead to beleive he really wanted to go, which is a reason we allowed Southampton to talk to him...

[dickos1]

I remember something along those lines. Jewell is also quoted as saying he knows for a fact sharp was interested in going Ipswich in the summer. So maybe they both spoke to the players with our permission but we couldn't agree a fee. Whereas the Southampton scenario we accepted the offer but he declined it!

Re the Ipswich deal, forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought the clubs had to agree a fee before they spoke to the player (if its above board) why would you give permisson for a player to speak to a club if you had no idea of a transfer fee

And I'd believe Billy Sharp's word over Paul Jewell's anyday!

You don't necessarily need to agree a fee to speak to a player, you can ask permission to speak to a player which I believe we granted the players. Ipswich then came in with a bid which we rejected. Coppinger probably then went in to see JR and said they were offering me this can I have a pay rise please!

[VikingJames]

I remember something along those lines. Jewell is also quoted as saying he knows for a fact sharp was interested in going Ipswich in the summer. So maybe they both spoke to the players with our permission but we couldn't agree a fee. Whereas the Southampton scenario we accepted the offer but he declined it!

Re the Ipswich deal, forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought the clubs had to agree a fee before they spoke to the player (if its above board) why would you give permisson for a player to speak to a club if you had no idea of a transfer fee

And I'd believe Billy Sharp's word over Paul Jewell's anyday!

You would normally expect there to be some 'insurance' with an official bid to allow clubs to talk to your players but I think it is at the club's decision, the Torres deal was one that was agreed between player and club, but the two clubs took so long over a transfer fee, and you can see why Chelsea were reluctant to pay £50 million.

Did we actually hear a word of Billy Sharp's over the Ipswich bid? because I was lead to beleive he really wanted to go, which is a reason we allowed Southampton to talk to him...

And then he spoke to Southampton, and didn't leave. Suggesting that the word about him \"really wanting to go\" is b*llocks.

[Mr1Croft]

I remember something along those lines. Jewell is also quoted as saying he knows for a fact sharp was interested in going Ipswich in the summer. So maybe they both spoke to the players with our permission but we couldn't agree a fee. Whereas the Southampton scenario we accepted the offer but he declined it!

Re the Ipswich deal, forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought the clubs had to agree a fee before they spoke to the player (if its above board) why would you give permisson for a player to speak to a club if you had no idea of a transfer fee

And I'd believe Billy Sharp's word over Paul Jewell's anyday!

You would normally expect there to be some 'insurance' with an official bid to allow clubs to talk to your players but I think it is at the club's decision, the Torres deal was one that was agreed between player and club, but the two clubs took so long over a transfer fee, and you can see why Chelsea were reluctant to pay £50 million.

Did we actually hear a word of Billy Sharp's over the Ipswich bid? because I was lead to beleive he really wanted to go, which is a reason we allowed Southampton to talk to him...

And then he spoke to Southampton, and didn't leave. Suggesting that the word about him \"really wanting to go\" is b*llocks.

I did imply that he wanted to go to Ipswich, which was confirmed by Jewell. I never said I was lead to beleive he wanted to go to Southampton. He maybe just liked the idea of Ipswich, but rejected Southampton for a number of reasons. Not so different from rejecting the higher offer from Burnley and opting to sign for us not so long ago...

[VikingJames]

I remember something along those lines. Jewell is also quoted as saying he knows for a fact sharp was interested in going Ipswich in the summer. So maybe they both spoke to the players with our permission but we couldn't agree a fee. Whereas the Southampton scenario we accepted the offer but he declined it!

Re the Ipswich deal, forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought the clubs had to agree a fee before they spoke to the player (if its above board) why would you give permisson for a player to speak to a club if you had no idea of a transfer fee

And I'd believe Billy Sharp's word over Paul Jewell's anyday!

You would normally expect there to be some 'insurance' with an official bid to allow clubs to talk to your players but I think it is at the club's decision, the Torres deal was one that was agreed between player and club, but the two clubs took so long over a transfer fee, and you can see why Chelsea were reluctant to pay £50 million.

Did we actually hear a word of Billy Sharp's over the Ipswich bid? because I was lead to beleive he really wanted to go, which is a reason we allowed Southampton to talk to him...

And then he spoke to Southampton, and didn't leave. Suggesting that the word about him \"really wanting to go\" is b*llocks.

I did imply that he wanted to go to Ipswich, which was confirmed by Jewell. I never said I was lead to beleive he wanted to go to Southampton. He maybe just liked the idea of Ipswich, but rejected Southampton for a number of reasons. Not so different from rejecting the higher offer from Burnley and opting to sign for us not so long ago...

You didn't say \"really wanted to go to Ipswich\" though. You said \"really wanted to go.\"

So, thanks for clearing that up.

[Mr1Croft]

Did we actually hear a word of Billy Sharp's over the Ipswich bid? because I was lead to beleive he really wanted to go, which is a reason we allowed Southampton to talk to him...

And then he spoke to Southampton, and didn't leave. Suggesting that the word about him \"really wanting to go\" is b*llocks.

I did imply that he wanted to go to Ipswich, which was confirmed by Jewell. I never said I was lead to beleive he wanted to go to Southampton. He maybe just liked the idea of Ipswich, but rejected Southampton for a number of reasons. Not so different from rejecting the higher offer from Burnley and opting to sign for us not so long ago...

You didn't say \"really wanted to go to Ipswich\" though. You said \"really wanted to go.\"

So, thanks for clearing that up.

I didn't feel I had to, given how most of us were aware of Jewell publicly stating that he knoew Billy was very interested in aa move to Ipswich, I remember a long thread on here when someone referred to Jewell as a \"Fat greasy B*stard\"

Apologies...

[Akinfenwa]

I think JR said on the radio at the time that Billy \"wasn't that bothered\" about going to Ipswich.

[bpoolrover]

If you believe most things on sky rovers would have about 300 players now,someone will have looked on a message board and come up with that figure,a pal of mine runs a bpool message board and sky and the pap;ers are in regular contact with him,so at a guess i'll stick with the 3 mil release clause

[jonnydog]

I had a dream the other night that Mrs JD had been having it away with Paul Jewell, apparently when I questioned it the next morning, she flatly denied any wrong doing, spouting some rubbish that she didn't even know who Paul Jewell was.

After explaining he was a fat, cheating, lying, manipultive scouse T**T (and that IS FACT!!), I opted to give her the cold shoulder for an hour anyway, even for contemplating it in my sub-conscience!!

Apparently, she was given permission to speak Jewell but opted to renew our contract instead!

[Nudga]

No matter what was said in interviews we allowed Coppinger to speak to Ipswich, he spoke to Ipswich before opting to sign a new deal with us.

Where is the source for this then? Because most of us on here are under the impression that we rejected Ipswich's £300k offer for Copps, and that was the end of it. There was mention of a second (higher) bid from them for Billy (also rejected), but nothing further on Copps at the time, as far as I can remember.

James, I can confirm what Jonathan is saying is true. I was the one who said that Mrs Coppinger had enquired about job vacancies at Ipswich' hospital, and my source came from a long time friend and ex colleague of my wife who is a female brother at DRI. I did get shot down in flames about this though but hey ho.