Saunders soundbite

[Wellred]

Yet again you are selective in your vision Jonathan.
You have absolutely backed up what I said however.
Whilst the previous Manager had a terrible run from the start of his reign up until Christmas you was quite happy with him.
You are not prepared to offer the same backing to the current Manager however.

There is no point trying to argue with your superior attitude however so I wont bother further.

[drfcsteve]

Steve Jonathan asked for a reasonable arguement why he should be given a chance not what qualities he's previously shown. Please stop twisting and manipulating words.
I've given a reasoned arguement why I feel he deserves a chance next year while also accepting he failed this year, all be it under extremely difficult circumstances.

Answer the question.

I've answered it. Read the posts before you make comment

You haven't answered it at all, all you've done is make excuses for Saunders. I asked what qualities he has shown so far to make people think he is the best man for the job next season?

[dickos1]

No you said nobody has answered Jonathan's question. You just made up another one.
It's not a question of what has he done, but I think he has shown he is going to give youth a chance, and bring some players through, something we haven't done for over ten years.
Put it this way, I'd rather have someone in charge now who knows the club and the players rather than somebody new coming in, who won't have a clue who to keep or who to get shut of.
Somebody new is not going to have more money to spend and I think Saunders is a good judge of player.

[BobG]

i know there s no money. Its been spent on a massive squad. Have you seen the size of it ? Who s idea was that

I guess the answer would have to be Mr O'Driscoll seeing as how the loan players wont count!

Christ! You don't half talk some shit Wellred. Have you never bothered to take a few minutes, just a few, to  think about some of the more informed observations there have been on here this last couple of months? They really should be guiding your thinking you know. I'll be blunt: who decided to sign Tommy Spurr? It wasn't SOD. Who blew a large proportion of the transfer budget as a consequence? Who wrote his stupid, stupid contract that we're paying for now? Who decided to offer at least 3 of the more high profile players very significant wage increases 'to stop other clubs sniffing around'? Again, it wasn't SOD. So who then had no money to put together a squad that would actually work? Who chose not to sell Billy when Saints offered 3 million quid for him and so chose not to invest in 3 or 4 decent players who could have shored up the defence and midfield? Who had no choice but to rely on loans, has beens and might be's? And finally, who knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that as a result of all this, we were in trouble right from day one?

I don't suppose you'll ever be willing though to allow such insights to penetrate that befogged brain of yours though Red will you? Armchair criticism with neither research nor depth nor understanding seems to be your forte.

BobG

[BobG]

Sorry Dickos. That's crap as well. Two simple facts:

1) The youth team players are all SOD's. Teflon Man is simply picking them for another age group/
2) Neither TM nor any of his staff could be bothered to attend the Youth semi final. Don't say much for his commitment to 'youth' do it?

Bobg

[dickos1]

I'm sorry bob but surely you realise first team managers don't pick and choose which 10 or 11 year old kids the club signs? Paul Wilson and his staff find and pick the players.
Then when they come to the right age the first team manager decides who he is going to offer professional contracts to.
So it ain't me who is talking the crap

[drfcsteve]

No you said nobody has answered Jonathan's question. You just made up another one.
It's not a question of what has he done, but I think he has shown he is going to give youth a chance, and bring some players through, something we haven't done for over ten years.
Put it this way, I'd rather have someone in charge now who knows the club and the players rather than somebody new coming in, who won't have a clue who to keep or who to get shut of.
Somebody new is not going to have more money to spend and I think Saunders is a good judge of player.

I don't know what you're talking about but well done on finally coming up with some qualities for Saunders, both are flawed though.

1. he has shown he is going to give youth a chance, and bring some players through, something we haven't done for over ten years.

He has no choice but to use the youth team given the financial situation we are in. And all the youth players were already here before he arrived.

2. Saunders is a good judge of player

I think all the evidence points to the opposite of this. Over 100 players at Wrexham before a settled team, and he's had the final say in signing Diatta, Plessis, Illunga, Chimbonda and Bomogo.

[dickos1]

Jesus I give up, it doesn't matter if the players were here before he came or not. He is the one putting them in the team something that's hasnt happened in a long time. Don't think it's a coincidence that this year we have given out more contracts than ever before.
Also had say on button, ikeme, fortune, diouf, Robert,
If you have no money your obviously going to go through lots of players trying to find gems out of a load of shite

[ravenrover]

No you said nobody has answered Jonathan's question. You just made up another one.
It's not a question of what has he done, but I think he has shown he is going to give youth a chance, and bring some players through, something we haven't done for over ten years.
Put it this way, I'd rather have someone in charge now who knows the club and the players rather than somebody new coming in, who won't have a clue who to keep or who to get shut of.
Somebody new is not going to have more money to spend and I think Saunders is a good judge of player.

I don't know what you're talking about but well done on finally coming up with some qualities for Saunders, both are flawed though.

1. he has shown he is going to give youth a chance, and bring some players through, something we haven't done for over ten years.

He has no choice but to use the youth team given the financial situation we are in. And all the youth players were already here before he arrived.

2. Saunders is a good judge of player

I think all the evidence points to the opposite of this. Over 100 players at Wrexham before a settled team, and he's had the final say in signing Diatta, Plessis, Illunga, Chimbonda and Bomogo.

So are we saying the average of the 1st team is going to be 15 based on the players we have given contracts to? and that doesn't include the under 11s we have signed up? And if it was his decision to sign the likes of Bamogo and Bagabollox then god help us if that is our future!

[Wellred]

i know there s no money. Its been spent on a massive squad. Have you seen the size of it ? Who s idea was that

I guess the answer would have to be Mr O'Driscoll seeing as how the loan players wont count!

Christ! You don't half talk some shit Wellred. Have you never bothered to take a few minutes, just a few, to  think about some of the more informed observations there have been on here this last couple of months? They really should be guiding your thinking you know. I'll be blunt: who decided to sign Tommy Spurr? It wasn't SOD. Who blew a large proportion of the transfer budget as a consequence? Who wrote his stupid, stupid contract that we're paying for now? Who decided to offer at least 3 of the more high profile players very significant wage increases 'to stop other clubs sniffing around'? Again, it wasn't SOD. So who then had no money to put together a squad that would actually work? Who chose not to sell Billy when Saints offered 3 million quid for him and so chose not to invest in 3 or 4 decent players who could have shored up the defence and midfield? Who had no choice but to rely on loans, has beens and might be's? And finally, who knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that as a result of all this, we were in trouble right from day one?

I don't suppose you'll ever be willing though to allow such insights to penetrate that befogged brain of yours though Red will you? Armchair criticism with neither research nor depth nor understanding seems to be your forte.

BobG

You must get awfully dizzy sat up there on your high perch.

At times.........sorry no correction (All the time) you really are a smug bas**rd.
It must be really difficult coming on the forum knowing you are always right.

[inSODwetrust]

SOUNDBITE'S BARMY ARMY

[drfcsteve]

i know there s no money. Its been spent on a massive squad. Have you seen the size of it ? Who s idea was that

I guess the answer would have to be Mr O'Driscoll seeing as how the loan players wont count!

Christ! You don't half talk some shit Wellred. Have you never bothered to take a few minutes, just a few, to  think about some of the more informed observations there have been on here this last couple of months? They really should be guiding your thinking you know. I'll be blunt: who decided to sign Tommy Spurr? It wasn't SOD. Who blew a large proportion of the transfer budget as a consequence? Who wrote his stupid, stupid contract that we're paying for now? Who decided to offer at least 3 of the more high profile players very significant wage increases 'to stop other clubs sniffing around'? Again, it wasn't SOD. So who then had no money to put together a squad that would actually work? Who chose not to sell Billy when Saints offered 3 million quid for him and so chose not to invest in 3 or 4 decent players who could have shored up the defence and midfield? Who had no choice but to rely on loans, has beens and might be's? And finally, who knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that as a result of all this, we were in trouble right from day one?

I don't suppose you'll ever be willing though to allow such insights to penetrate that befogged brain of yours though Red will you? Armchair criticism with neither research nor depth nor understanding seems to be your forte.

BobG

You must get awfully dizzy sat up there on your high perch.

At times.........sorry no correction (All the time) you really are a smug bas**rd.
It must be really difficult coming on the forum knowing you are always right.

It must be even more difficult coming on the forum and always being wrong, how's that feel Wellred?

[mushRTID]

i know there s no money. Its been spent on a massive squad. Have you seen the size of it ? Who s idea was that

I guess the answer would have to be Mr O'Driscoll seeing as how the loan players wont count!

Christ! You don't half talk some shit Wellred. Have you never bothered to take a few minutes, just a few, to  think about some of the more informed observations there have been on here this last couple of months? They really should be guiding your thinking you know. I'll be blunt: who decided to sign Tommy Spurr? It wasn't SOD. Who blew a large proportion of the transfer budget as a consequence? Who wrote his stupid, stupid contract that we're paying for now? Who decided to offer at least 3 of the more high profile players very significant wage increases 'to stop other clubs sniffing around'? Again, it wasn't SOD. So who then had no money to put together a squad that would actually work? Who chose not to sell Billy when Saints offered 3 million quid for him and so chose not to invest in 3 or 4 decent players who could have shored up the defence and midfield? Who had no choice but to rely on loans, has beens and might be's? And finally, who knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that as a result of all this, we were in trouble right from day one?

I don't suppose you'll ever be willing though to allow such insights to penetrate that befogged brain of yours though Red will you? Armchair criticism with neither research nor depth nor understanding seems to be your forte.

BobG

You must get awfully dizzy sat up there on your high perch.

At times.........sorry no correction (All the time) you really are a smug bas**rd.
It must be really difficult coming on the forum knowing you are always right.

f**king hell. You really must be one of the most ignorant and rude t**ts ever to grace the world of internet forums.

Can we meet up for a pint? You seem a right laugh.

[drfcsteve]

By the way I still haven't got a good answer to the simple question - what qualities has Saunders shown so far to make people think he is the right man for next year?

[dickos1]

You have an answer just not one which you can argue with.

[Thinwhiteduke]

Strangely enough I agreed with SOD's sacking at the time and don't hanker for his return now. I respected what he did for us but realised he had run out of steam; that much was obvious to all or should have been.
However to replace him with 'soundbite' saunders (with his lack of experience) and ask him to run this strategy was absolute madness and I said so at the time as did many of us . Backing someone for the sake of it and thinking you're being supportive is also........utter madness.
I don't care about the future of DS or his 'clean slate' , I only care about the future of this my club. For that reason alone I believe he has had ample time to prove his ability (given the players at his disposal) and has been found wanting (except by you of course)!

Thing with Wellred, bless him, is he would have been spitting blood had we been relegated with the previous regime.

However, relegation with Saunders, who has been here since September I hasten to add, is all well and fine.

You work it out - thank god I only see his mumblings when someone else quotes them.

[BobG]

Smug I may be Red. But that's because I trouble to do the research, to link cause and effect and to find patterns amongst events separated by months. None of which do you seem even remotely capable of doing. As has been mentioned elsewhere on here tonight, some of the thngs I've suggested over the weeks that you really ought to be paying attention to are now becoming publicly acknowledged facts. In case you missed it, I know what I'm talking about. Is's fascinating, though, isn't it, how you find it simply impossible to answer any reasoned argument with anything other than abuse. Your mind must be a sewer. Nothing even remotely interesting, intelligent, thoughtful or original ever comes out of it that's for sure.

You weren't Danensian in a previous life were you? Another brain impervious to knowledge, advice, facts and thinking.

BobG

[dickos1]

You've said a lot of damning things recently bob, what's has now come out as factual?

[donnybel]

Bob, I don't want to get into any arguments with anyone about anything, I'm just really sad about what is happening at the club.  I just want the real truth to come out, but I doubt it ever will. Would you be able to tell me who authorized the contracts you spoke about earlier? I appreciate that you may not be able to say too much, if so I apologize for putting you on the spot.
Bel