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albie

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Financial fair play
« on April 25, 2012, 03:53:01 pm by albie »
Starting next season in the championship, so if we do get back with the big boys it might be a fairer fight next time round;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17841566

Still doesn't account for the refs though!

At L1 level, the wages as a % of turnover still does not make clear if that is just players salaries, or staff costs. Anyone know this?



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albie

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #1 on April 25, 2012, 04:02:31 pm by albie »
Just seen that the Free Press have an article on next season;
http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/transfer-embargo-threat-if-rovers-overspend-next-season-1-4483690

They think it is just players wages that count. Looks like it gets tighter in future.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #2 on April 25, 2012, 05:51:08 pm by DRFCTom »
Any guesses on the three teams that voted against this?
Leicester surely has to be one??

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« Reply #3 on April 25, 2012, 06:41:26 pm by wilts rover »
Reading has to be one - they are just about to get some multi-billionaire Russian owners

Southampton for the third - where has their money come from anyway?

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #4 on April 25, 2012, 08:22:13 pm by RoversAlias »
I don't think it'll be Reading. For one they won't even be in the league, and also just because a new owner is coming in that doesn't mean they're gonna be going mental spending, Madejski said as much himself.

Southampton got taken over by a wealthy Swiss business, who has since passed away.

Could be Cardiff perhaps...definitely could be Leicester as well.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #5 on April 25, 2012, 08:30:33 pm by donnyroversfc »
Leicester, West Ham and Cardiff/Birmingham.

DRFCTom

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #6 on April 25, 2012, 10:30:17 pm by DRFCTom »
Apparently the three objectors were Reading, Southampton and Leicester

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #7 on April 25, 2012, 10:48:28 pm by donnyroversfc »
Did West Ham get to vote? Surely if they did then they'll have voted against it. I dont understand why Southampton would've voted against.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #8 on April 26, 2012, 12:20:22 pm by WBDRFC »
Did West Ham get to vote? Surely if they did then they'll have voted against it. I dont understand why Southampton would've voted against.

Probably because they lost £11.5 million last year, in an attempt to get out of League One. They've probably lost a significant amount this season - more than the FFP would allow in future years. If they are relegated back to the Championship in future they may not want to be restricted by the FFP rules.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #9 on April 26, 2012, 01:08:27 pm by sedwardsdrfc »
southampton pay lallana nearly 30k a week dont they?

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #10 on April 26, 2012, 08:50:18 pm by PDX_Rover »
Ray Jest (Bradford Exile) made some great points...

"We can only spend up to 65% this coming year of our income on wages...that's great if you are a top flight team or in the championship.
 
It was bad enough being handicapped by the £millions from the parachute payments from the prem league.
 
I know that clubs who overspend should have some sort of a penalty, but this in my opinion is just another way of keeping small clubs SMALL.
 
65% of our income will be small compared to say Portsmouth or Coventry, unfortunately the gap between the have's and have not's gets wider year on year."

Discuss....
 

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #11 on April 26, 2012, 09:19:36 pm by WBDRFC »
Ray Jest (Bradford Exile) made some great points...

"We can only spend up to 65% this coming year of our income on wages...that's great if you are a top flight team or in the championship.
 
It was bad enough being handicapped by the £millions from the parachute payments from the prem league.
 
I know that clubs who overspend should have some sort of a penalty, but this in my opinion is just another way of keeping small clubs SMALL.
 
65% of our income will be small compared to say Portsmouth or Coventry, unfortunately the gap between the have's and have not's gets wider year on year."

Discuss....
 
Ray Jest (Bradford Exile) made some great points...

"We can only spend up to 65% this coming year of our income on wages...that's great if you are a top flight team or in the championship.
 
It was bad enough being handicapped by the £millions from the parachute payments from the prem league.
 
I know that clubs who overspend should have some sort of a penalty, but this in my opinion is just another way of keeping small clubs SMALL.
 
65% of our income will be small compared to say Portsmouth or Coventry, unfortunately the gap between the have's and have not's gets wider year on year."

Discuss....
 

Something had to be done to make sure every club, in every division, live within their means. If that means that clubs with bigger crowds can spend more on wages than the smaller clubs, then so be it.  The key thing is to make sure we become bigger by devoting a lot more time and effort to marketing to increase the gates.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #12 on April 26, 2012, 10:11:20 pm by silent majority »
Financial Fair Play in
The Football League

Introduction

Following two years of detailed discussions, The Football League and its clubs have agreed a Financial Fair Play framework that will operate in all three of its divisions from the beginning of the 2012/13 season.  It aims to reduce the levels of losses being incurred at some clubs and, over time, establish a league of financially self-sustaining professional football clubs. 

The decision to adopt Financial Fair Play regulations follows a strategic review by The Football League Board which identified the state of club finances as the organisation’s greatest challenge.  During this process, each division has been given the flexibility to determine its own Fair Play regulations, given that clubs of different sizes face differing financial challenges.

In the Championship, clubs have agreed to introduce a breakeven approach based on the UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations.  Whilst in League 1 and League 2, clubs will implement the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) that has been in use in the latter division since 2004/05.  The SCMP broadly limits spending on total player wages to a proportion of each club’s turnover.

How will it work?

The Championship

Financial Fair Play in the Championship will see the introduction of a breakeven model based on UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations.  It will require clubs to stay within pre-defined limits on losses and shareholder equity investment that will reduce significantly over the next five seasons. 

The new system will require clubs to provide annual accounts to The Football League by December 1 every year, covering the previous season/financial year.  Using this information a ‘Fair Play Result’ will be determined for each club that will equate to the club’s profit/loss for the year, excluding investment in specific areas of club infrastructure or losses in certain extraordinary circumstances.

In order to comply with the Financial Fair Play regulations each club is required to demonstrate a Fair Play Result that is either:

a)   nil or greater.

or:

b)   A loss of less than the permitted level of acceptable deviation and shareholder equity investment for the season in question. 

The permitted level of acceptable deviation and shareholder equity investment will reduce over time from £4m and £8m respectively in 2011/12 to £2m and £3m by 2015/16.

The Football League will establish a Financial Fair Play Panel, led by its Chairman, to consider any challenges by clubs to the determination of the Fair Play Result.



 
What counts towards the Fair Play Result?

The Fair Play Result is based on the club’s profit or loss before tax with the exception of:

•   Investment in Youth Development (as defined in the Elite Player Performance Plan)
•   The profit affecting element of the purchase, sale and depreciation of fixed assets excluding players (e.g. a club’s stadium)
•   Investment in a club’s Community Scheme
•   Promotion related bonus payments

A club is also entitled to apply to the Financial Fair Play Panel to have certain exceptional items excluded from the Financial Fair Play Result in a particular year.  Such as (but not limited to):

•   Career ending injury costs
•   Bad debts from other clubs
•   Losses sustained from a major sponsor defaulting

The timetable for implementation

As with UEFA’s Financial Fair Play regulations, The Football League will phase in its Financial Fair Play framework for Championship clubs.  This is outlined below.

Season   2011/12   2012/13   2013/14   2014/15   2015/16 onwards
Acceptable deviation   £4 m   £4 m   £3 m   £3 m   £2 m
Shareholder equity investment   £8 m   £6 m   £5 m   £3 m   £3 m
Total Permitted Allowances   £12 m   £10 m   £8 m   £6 m   £5 m

The first reporting period will be the current season (2011/12) – with the first set of accounts due to be submitted on 1st December 2012.

Sanctions

Failure to stay within the defined limits will lead to the imposition of sanctions.  However, there will be no sanctions implemented during the first two seasons (2012/13 and 2013/14) in order to give clubs a sensible period of transition.

From the 2014/15 season, sanctions will be introduced that will differ depending on whether the club ultimately remained in the Championship, was promoted to the Premier League or was relegated to League 1.

i.   Sanctions for clubs remaining in the Championship

Clubs that fail to comply with the Financial Fair Play regulations (from December 1st 2014) will be subject to a transfer embargo.  This embargo will come in to force ahead of the subsequent transfer window beginning on January 1, 2015.

The embargo will remain in place until the club is able to lodge financial information that demonstrates that it meets the Financial Fair Play regulations (either for the previous reporting period or a future reporting period).

ii.   Sanctions for clubs promoted to the Premier League

Clubs promoted to the Premier League will be required to provide Financial Fair Play information for their promotion season by December 1.  Any club found to have breached Financial Fair Play regulations will be required to pay a ‘Fair Play Tax’ on the excess by which the club failed to fulfil the Fair Play requirement, ranging from 1% on the first £100,000 to 100% on anything over £10m. 

The Fair Play Tax will be applied at the following thresholds:

(a)   1% of the excess between £1 and £100,000;
(b)   20% of the excess between £100,001 and £500,000;
(c)   40% of the excess between £500,001 and £1,000,000;
(d)   60% of the excess between £1,000,001 and £5,000,000;
(e)   80% of the excess between £5,000,001 and £10,000,000; and
(f)   100% of the excess over £10,000,000
Any proceeds will be distributed equally amongst clubs that have complied with the Financial Fair Play regulations for the season in question.

The Football League is currently in the process of consulting with the Premier League regarding the implementation of these Financial Fair Play regulations.

iii.   Sanctions for clubs relegated to League 1

Clubs relegated to League 1 will not be entitled to any payout derived from the Fair Play Tax and will be required to comply with the FFP rules in operation in that division.

Transition arrangements for clubs relegated from the Premier League

Clubs relegated from the Premier League will not be subject to sanctions in their first season in the Championship as long as they have met their financial obligations under Premier League regulations.  They would, however, be subject to the potential of a Fair Play Tax if they achieved promotion in their first season in the Championship whilst not complying with the FFP regulations.

League 1 and League 2

League 1 and League 2, clubs have chosen to implement the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) first used in League 2 in 2004/05, although it will operate at different thresholds in each division.

The SCMP broadly limits spending on total player wages to a proportion of each club’s turnover, with clubs providing budgetary information to The League at the beginning of the season that is updated as the campaign progresses.

Any club that is deemed to have breached the permitted spending threshold will be subject to a transfer embargo.  Wherever possible, The League will seek to tackle the issue ‘at source’ by refusing player registrations that take clubs beyond the threshold.

At the beginning of the current season, League 2 clubs reduced the permitted spending threshold to 55% from 60% and this figure will continue to be operated next season. 

League 1 clubs are currently operating a ‘pilot’ of the SCMP with clubs complying with a 75% threshold but with no sanctions being applicable this season.  This threshold will reduce to 65% in 2012/13 and 60% in 2013/14 with sanctions (transfer embargoes) being applicable in both seasons.

Milepostuk

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #13 on April 27, 2012, 05:21:14 pm by Milepostuk »
What will happen to clubs that are relegated from the Championship to L1 who have contract commitments that might be above their L1 permmisable budget? (ie, Us, if DS is to be believed) 

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« Reply #14 on April 27, 2012, 05:25:25 pm by silent majority »
What will happen to clubs that are relegated from the Championship to L1 who have contract commitments that might be above their L1 permmisable budget? (ie, Us, if DS is to be believed) 

Clubs are meant to have relegation/promotion clauses inserted in all contracts, but I'm told that the vast majority are meaningless.

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« Reply #15 on April 27, 2012, 05:41:57 pm by Red wizard »
What will happen to clubs that are relegated from the Championship to L1 who have contract commitments that might be above their L1 permmisable budget? (ie, Us, if DS is to be believed) 

Clubs are meant to have relegation/promotion clauses inserted in all contracts, but I'm told that the vast majority are meaningless.

Do you know if our players have a relegation clause in there contracts? They should have. We have been the fav's for the drop every year.

albie

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« Reply #16 on April 29, 2012, 05:03:24 pm by albie »
For those interested, the league table of wages v turnover spending in 2010/11, (from The Swiss Ramble).

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #17 on April 29, 2012, 05:24:31 pm by Dutch Uncle »
I would suggest that no parachute payments after relegation from the championship is a little unfair

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« Reply #18 on April 29, 2012, 06:11:08 pm by Chris Black come back »
For those interested, the league table of wages v turnover spending in 2010/11, (from The Swiss Ramble).

That is very interesting. So little Swansea aren't as sustainable as they look at first glance then. 184%! And you can see why the Leeds fans are so pissed off can't you. 50% of turnover on wages! Where is the other 50% going then Ken I wonder...

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« Reply #19 on April 29, 2012, 07:30:50 pm by Wild Rover »
What about "benefactors". Am sure i read somewhere TODAY that a benefactor can sort his/her club out to the tune of 6 million this next season, reducing to 4 million the following season and then 2 in subsequent seasons. ( mind you that was for Championship ). will search.

Found something. Numbers slightly different, but essence the same.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17844659
« Last Edit: April 29, 2012, 07:34:20 pm by Wild Rover »

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« Reply #20 on April 30, 2012, 02:36:56 am by PDX_Rover »
What about those coming down from the Prem? Massive parachute payments.... How will that work? And is it fair?

albie

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« Reply #21 on April 30, 2012, 07:08:11 pm by albie »
The "benefactors" are capped on what they can put in directly, reducing each year.

I think that there will be some generous sponsorship and service deals agreed to channel funds through the club via legitimate channels, if the money men still want to bankroll the fantasy football dreams.

The league table attached above does show the scale of the problem at present. We are hit by the double whammy, needing to reduce wages expenditure at a time when revenues (hence turnover) will fall drastically. A big percentage reduction against a much smaller overall income figure.......none too easy, if we have not prepared the ground.

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« Reply #22 on April 30, 2012, 08:11:56 pm by Wild Rover »
Did i not say just thet in my "Piece" above. Thing is even when reduced to the minimum amount, coupled with "Permitted losses" its  about the same as JR and co were putting in.

albie

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« Reply #23 on April 30, 2012, 11:39:48 pm by albie »
Did i not say just thet in my "Piece" above. Thing is even when reduced to the minimum amount, coupled with "Permitted losses" its  about the same as JR and co were putting in.

You did say that, Wild Rover, and that it applied to the Championship.

The point I was making was that if revenues are massively reduced next season, then getting the percentage of wages v turnover down becomes more difficult. These details have to be estimated up front.

Do you set a budget assuming a successful season (say, 9k average gate), or do you pitch it at a lower income expectation of mid-table or below (6k average)?

 

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