Sorry Boys!

[mjdgreg]

Wind your neck in will you. I don't pick on anyone on here. It just so happens I disagree with a number of your posts. Why should I have to have evidence to counter what you said, when its you that keeps coming up with, quite frankly, ridiculous assumptions based on little or no practical evidence to back up your theories.

Even though Mr Frost and I have had our disagreements in the past, it is obvious to anyone that what he says is much more sensible than anything you have to offer.

[Sammy Chung was King]

We've hit a bad patch,most of the better teams have had one already,we've just lost to a team that will be up in the mix by a goal,why panic?,every team has a part of the season where things go wrong this is ours,we are no better or worse than before the last two games.

[mjg]

ive lost interest, stayed away again i cant stand to watch it anymore, arm supporter from now on

[Mr1Croft]

I'm sure we are trying, but if people have no money what can you do

Lower the price. See my example above.

You reckon by halving the price we will double the amount of people paying on the day??

 

Do you have any evidence to suggest it won't?
Like I said it would be dependent on a strong marketing campaign hence me giving the Swansea game as an example.

Marketing and business isn't your strong point is it? Most of the time when you post, it is just to try and pick an argument with me. Maybe you should be removed from your moderation duties as you clearly just want to try and wind folk up.

Wind your neck in will you. I don't pick on anyone on here. It just so happens I disagree with a number of your posts. Why should I have to have evidence to counter what you said, when its you that keeps coming up with, quite frankly, ridiculous assumptions based on little or no practical evidence to back up your theories.

I gave evidence to back up my proposal.

You did actually give a scenario (not evidence), and linked it to one or two games in the past that can be considered anomalies. They were one off scenarios that were marketed very well by the fans and the club working together. Could that be done every game, and if so will it have the same effect of getting us an extra 2 thousand on the gate?

One you set the base price (in your scenario £10) that is what the customers (or supporters) who don't go very often will consider the value of the game they watch. Once we start going on a losing streak or hit a bad patch of form these swing fans will value the game at less than the base price and the attendances will start to decrease.

£10 a game also means that the maximum price of a season ticket must be £220 to offer any significant value for the course of the season, and that is only a saving of £10 and leaves no leeway for offers during the season in reality. Can the club really afford to give season tickets away at that price?

[The Red Baron]

If you listen to player at away games, the 400 to 1500 Rovers fans always outshout the opposition fans, when we are at home there are too many who (a) Make no noise at all or (b) shout nothing but rubbish, get him off etc.  If you were in the team where would you prefer to play. This is also after the fair weather supporters who went in  the Championship and to every Wembley game, have packed up and left.

there are plenty that went pre conference,conference and up through the leagues too that have packed up and left, so i wouldn't say fair weather supporters for all .

Alarming to me is the rate people are losing interest with Rovers.

After what we have achieved and built up over the last decade, we are in danger if losing it.

Getting ourselves into a decent league position, then the following two home games see sub 6000 attendances.

Very alarming. And the longer we spend in the division, the more our attendances will fall. We have done nothing to winback the supporters we are losing, and as the last poster mentioned, I know many who have stuck with us through thick and thin have packed up and left, mainly due to last season, and because of how unjoyable home games are.

I can empathise. I've been watching over 40 years and I'm not sure if I want to go any more. The two games this week have been awful. Yes, we played a bit better yesterday than we did on Tuesday, but we created absolutely nothing. David James must have had one of the easiest games of his professional career.

I used to look forward to home games, perticularly on Saturdays. Now I'm glad we're not playing for a fortnight. The way I feel at the moment, I might not be there when we do play at home again.

[steve@dcfd]

Unless we invest in players with more creativity in the loan market aswell then at home this is what we will get. Away we should carry on get the odd points because the players we have are set up for away performances. So it's now down to the board to provide the funds if they want to see improvement. If they want consolidation then we should be ok.  I have lowered my expectations this season despite our previous good run, which put us in a false position. Choices have to be made although yesterday was better than Tuesday, it couldn't be any worse really, I think some supporters like me will have some time away cannot keep watching this drivel. But it's in your blood and when a home Saturday comes we might not be able to resist especially if we get two good away results.

[The Red Baron]

I know what you mean. I've had spells before where I've given it a miss for a few weeks and I think that is what I need now. I recall one occasion where I stayed away - when we were going nowhere fast under Steve Wignall- and I even went to the extent of volunteering for Saturday overtime at work. Not because I needed the money particularly but because it prevented me from being tempted to go to the game!

Speaking of temptation, last night I was sorely tempted to throw my season ticket out of the car window as I drove back down the M1. But the fines for littering can be a bit steep... 

[RedJ]

ive lost interest, stayed away again i cant stand to watch it anymore, arm supporter from now on

I'm sure Mick'll keep you updated mate.

[MrFrost]

I'm sure we are trying, but if people have no money what can you do

Lower the price. See my example above.

You reckon by halving the price we will double the amount of people paying on the day??

 

Do you have any evidence to suggest it won't?
Like I said it would be dependent on a strong marketing campaign hence me giving the Swansea game as an example.

Marketing and business isn't your strong point is it? Most of the time when you post, it is just to try and pick an argument with me. Maybe you should be removed from your moderation duties as you clearly just want to try and wind folk up.

Wind your neck in will you. I don't pick on anyone on here. It just so happens I disagree with a number of your posts. Why should I have to have evidence to counter what you said, when its you that keeps coming up with, quite frankly, ridiculous assumptions based on little or no practical evidence to back up your theories.

I gave evidence to back up my proposal.

You did actually give a scenario (not evidence), and linked it to one or two games in the past that can be considered anomalies. They were one off scenarios that were marketed very well by the fans and the club working together. Could that be done every game, and if so will it have the same effect of getting us an extra 2 thousand on the gate?

One you set the base price (in your scenario £10) that is what the customers (or supporters) who don't go very often will consider the value of the game they watch. Once we start going on a losing streak or hit a bad patch of form these swing fans will value the game at less than the base price and the attendances will start to decrease.

£10 a game also means that the maximum price of a season ticket must be £220 to offer any significant value for the course of the season, and that is only a saving of £10 and leaves no leeway for offers during the season in reality. Can the club really afford to give season tickets away at that price?

As I said it is dependent on the take up.
As I mentioned elsewhere, if we stagnate in this league we will see the kind of percentage losses that Scunthorpe have seen, without doing something outside the box.

[Mr1Croft]

And the In Rovers We Trust project, one that is unique for the breadth of coverage it undertaken is in the box you think?

[SkellowRover]

At the end of the day is asking for attacking exciting football too much to ask for? I remember when Saunders first arrived and him bleating on about how we used to hold onto the ball for too long before creating an opening, well it was far more entertaining and productive then the clueless dros 'his team' are producing week in week out.
This is my 34th season as a supporter and i'm a ST holder (along with 3 other family ST's i pay for) and have also paid upfront for a car park spot and in all those years this is the first season ever where i'm not bothered about going and sit at matches bored senseless on a consistent basis, and there are more and more posts cropping up of people feeling the same way.
Unless there are some drastic changes in performances on the pitch (especially at home) in terms of entertainment and excitement then i can only see more people staying away and attendances declining no matter what progress the VSC make with regards to 'in rovers we trust'.

[dickos1]

Like its been posted elsewhere how can it be justified that fighting for a play off spot in the 3rd tier is much worse than finishing bottom of the 4th tier with record lowest points or struggling in the conference and losing at home to sides like leek town and kingstonian.
It's completely ridiculous and some people need a reality check where we are now is as good as its got for the last 60 years baring the last 4.

[SkellowRover]

Like its been posted elsewhere how can it be justified that fighting for a play off spot in the 3rd tier is much worse than finishing bottom of the 4th tier with record lowest points or struggling in the conference and losing at home to sides like leek town and kingstonian.
It's completely ridiculous and some people need a reality check where we are now is as good as its got for the last 60 years baring the last 4.

We stole and yes i mean stole some points over a few games that papered over the cracks of how poor and unattractive this side are to watch. We flirted with a play off spot while we did this but our luck seems to have run out and i doubt we will finish top half. When we go away from home we park the bus and try to frustrate teams and hit them on the break whereas at home it seems Saunders is clueless what to do. It's laughable when he uses the excuse that teams come here and park the bus when they don't to gloss over how poor we are at the keepmoat.
No reality check needed for me, we rode our luck for a few games and it raised expectations of people like yourself but now we have come back to earth with a bump with sub 6k attendances.

[dickos1]

Every night there are calls upon calls on radio Sheffield from sheff u fans complaining about the sides performance week in week out. Yet they lost their first game of the season yesterday.
Danny Wilson was on the radio a few weeks ago saying last year they tried to play too much football and over the summer he built a side that he thought would get them up.
He said you need to be solid, hard to beat, hardworking, committed, full of endeavour.
So that's what they've been this year and they've lost once out of 17, were very similar to them this year, we've got a side full of those attributes yes the football is lacking but look at all the good footballing sides in this division predominantly all near the bottom of the league.

[RedJ]

I reckon all we're missing is a goalscorer. That's what stands between us and being a top 2 team, in my opinion of course.

[SkellowRover]

It's creating chances that's the problem RedJ as goalscoring doesn't seem to be a problem on the road with the same players. As someone posted on another thread 3 shots on goal in 2 home matches is awful.

[dickos1]

We were shite on Tuesday but we created enough chances to get a point at least

[SkellowRover]

But they created twice as many chances and were the better team and deserved the win, we got what we deserved, nothing.

[dickos1]

Crewe didn't create twice as many chances, you obviously weren't there and neither did Bournemouth.

[SkellowRover]

Crewe didn't create twice as many chances, you obviously weren't there and neither did Bournemouth.

Crewe had 8 shots on target and we had 3, they also had more total shots and more possesion and deserved the win.

[dickos1]

Shots on target doesn't equate to a chance, Hume was clean through and missed the target, Keegan hit the bar. Both far better chances than a 30 yard on target effort that only just reaches the goal.
You sound like madmick with all these insignificant stats, did they have more throw ins than us too?

[SkellowRover]

Shots on target doesn't equate to a chance, Hume was clean through and missed the target, Keegan hit the bar. Both far better chances than a 30 yard on target effort that only just reaches the goal.
You sound like madmick with all these insignificant stats, did they have more throw ins than us too?

So you honestly believe we deserved something from the Crewe match? Because you will be the only person who's said that if that's the case.

[DonnyNoel]

Shots on target doesn't equate to a chance, Hume was clean through and missed the target, Keegan hit the bar. Both far better chances than a 30 yard on target effort that only just reaches the goal.
You sound like madmick with all these insignificant stats, did they have more throw ins than us too?

To add to that we delivered two quality balls across the six yard line that amazingly no one got on the end of which wouldn't be accounted for but perhaps would have been goals for Rob Jones. If people can't judge a game without resorting to the dodgy PA stats....

[dickos1]

No skellow I don't think we deserved to win I never said that, just that attempts on target doesn't mean anything regarding chances. We created more chances than them but we were shite.

[mjdgreg]

Glad to see I've got another stats disciple.