The new ground effect

[PDX_Rover]

With Rotherham in with a chance of back to back promotions, I wonder about the effect a new stadium has on teams. We went up the first full season at the Moat. Wonder how many other teams haves fared after moving to a new ground in the last few decades....

[River Don]

What king of attendances are they getting at the Nu Yawk?

I assume it will have settled down a bit now.

[The Red Baron]

Average 8,450, so slightly below our average for this season.

http://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-league-one-2013-2014/1/

[BigColSutherland]

From 2007:

...of the eight clubs who have moved to a new ground in the past decade - and stayed in the same division - five have seen their home form improve the following season. In their final season in their old ground, those eight teams collected 62 per cent of their points at home; in their first season at their new grounds, that percentage rose to 65.2

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/jul/18/theknowledge.sport

[RJHeader]

Copying and pasting. Superb.

[BigColSutherland]

Copying and pasting. Superb.

Haven't you copied and pasted that from me? When will this madness end.

[Padge_DRFC]

I know why they get as many home fans as us. Their price to get in is only £18.

[vaya]

Thought this was going to be an Ekranoplan thread.

Slightly disappointed.

[PDX_Rover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Nu94khHoo

IT IS NOW.

[wilts rover]

Haven't Shrewsbury, and their new ground, just been relegated?

[RobTheRover]

Brighton are exactly where they are since the Amex opened. Scunny have a new ground planned. They will be the first of the "new ground" brigade to move to a "new new" ground,  I believe.

[IDM]

Wigan did OK, perhaps they have had the biggest change not only in success but also in the stadium itself - Springfield Park was in a sorrier state than Belle Vue!

[wilts rover]

Colchester haven't moved since they moved! And Chesterfield have gone up, down and up, like their spire.

[The Red Baron]

Haven't Shrewsbury, and their new ground, just been relegated?

They have been in it since 2007, so I dare say the "new ground effect" has worn off. However, they were promoted a couple of years ago.

[Mr1Croft]

Brighton are exactly where they are since the Amex opened. Scunny have a new ground planned. They will be the first of the "new ground" brigade to move to a "new new" ground,  I believe.

But equally Brighton have seen an almost 300% increase in average attendances since moving to the Amex, even along with the promotion to the championship considered, its an impressive increase.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Brighton are exactly where they are since the Amex opened. Scunny have a new ground planned. They will be the first of the "new ground" brigade to move to a "new new" ground,  I believe.

But equally Brighton have seen an almost 300% increase in average attendances since moving to the Amex, even along with the promotion to the championship considered, its an impressive increase.

I suspect that says summat very deep about the population of Brighton.

Loads of money looking for an outlet.

Not much interest in the grit of football at the Withdean, against Hartlepool.

But plenty of interest in the flash of a new ground and the prospect of mixing it with the big lads in the PL.

[River Don]

Brighton are exactly where they are since the Amex opened. Scunny have a new ground planned. They will be the first of the "new ground" brigade to move to a "new new" ground,  I believe.

But equally Brighton have seen an almost 300% increase in average attendances since moving to the Amex, even along with the promotion to the championship considered, its an impressive increase.

I suspect that says summat very deep about the population of Brighton.

Loads of money looking for an outlet.

Not much interest in the grit of football at the Withdean, against Hartlepool.

But plenty of interest in the flash of a new ground and the prospect of mixing it with the big lads in the PL.

Some clubs are particularly ripe for a new stadium, Brighton was one, as you say there is a large and relatively wealthy population there just waiting for it to happen.

Hull was another, it didn't have the wealth of Brighton but there was a large population and no other really near by alternatives to go and watch football.

I suspect if one of the Bristol clubs sorted it's act out they could get a far larger attendance.

[The Red Baron]

Hull's an odd one, because it has a very strong rugby tradition and I'm not sure how much intermixing there is between supporters of  the different codes. However, it does have only one senior (association) football club, so at least the support is not diluted. For me, that has always been the problem in Bristol. I can't see that changing even with Rovers' demotion to the Conference.

[Bristol Red Rover]

I suspect footy in Bristol will be on the up in the coming years. Both Bristol clubs are investing a lot in stadia, and could muster 25-35k in the prem, and easily 15-20k in the Championship. No competition within 40 miles apart from rugby.

Rovers' (Bristol Gloucestershire) new stadium will be about 21k, extendable to 26k easily and 36k if needed. Due for 2015-16.

City's (Bristol Somerset) stadium is now being redeveloped, extending it from 21k to 27/29k, including nice new shiney stands to replace the old away end and the one on the left of that. Completion 2016-17?

[BobG]

Hi Brizzle. I thought Brizzle City were on the verge of bankruptcy? Who's picking up the tab for shiny new stands then?

Hi Billy: you're jumping to conclusions about Brighton. The home areas of the Withdean was sold out with season tickets throughout their time there. They did keep some tickets back for floating voters so you did get the odd empty seat at some matches, but there were never that many actually unsold - even if they were empty on the day.  They had a waiting list for season tickets throughout their time at the Withdean. Brighton have always been a well supported club. I've been in the Goldstone with 30,000 in it for a boring run of the mill second division match.

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bob

Bang to rights.

I was looking at the crowd figures in isolation (which weren't impressive) and not filtering them through the prism of the size of the Withdean (which made them very impressive).

[BobG]

After I posted that last one I suddenly thought 'Shit! What sort of a pillock will I look if Billy comes back with a legion of upstanding stats proving I wrote b*llocks?!'

I know I didn't write b*llocks, but the fear engendered by your passionate stats is legend...

Bob

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bob

I spent a good 2mins 47seconds searching for some stats with which to cyberly eviscerate you. Having found nowt but stats that backed up what you said, I concluded that you were right and I was showing my prejudices. (I once got rebuffed by a fit lass in a club in Brighton. It hasn't happened often so I've always since worked on the premise that they are a bunch of Kitsons down there.)

[BobG]

As southern towns go, I quite like the place tbh. It might be a tad middle class but I discovered, and fell in love with, the delights of a bottle of claret combined with a plate of smoked salmon one dirty weekend in a hotel on the seafront there. I shall always remember that weekend fondly. For both reasons!

Cheers

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

See, my equivalent experiences were in a flat overlooking the shunting yard at Loughborough station, and against a bottle bank in the car park of Rotherham police station.

Yer gret middle class Jessie.

EDIT.  For the record, the second one involved neither claret not smoked salmon. There was a kebab and a couple of tins of Hooper's Hooch mind.

[BobG]

I allus was a social climber!

Rotherham police station car park. My mind is boggling.....

Night

Bob