Doncaster North, Miliband & UKIP

[IC1967]

Here's what he said. "That is nothing to do with professionalism, what it does have to do with is a population that is going through the roof chiefly because of open-door immigration and the fact that the M4 is not as navigable as it used to be."

Thank goodness there are politicians around who are prepared to say it as it is. It's obvious that the roads are going to be busier if we allow millions of immigrants in. We don't ban them from driving you know. We are a densely populated island and our roads are too full in many parts of the UK. The main reason they are too full is because we have a lot of people using them. Allowing millions of immigrants into the country is obviously going to make matters worse.

The laughable thing about you lefties having a go at Nige is that you are are incapable of working out that the less people driving the less busy the roads will be, therefore journey times will be shorter. The more people driving, the longer journey times will be. Duh. Why are journey times increasing? Because more people are driving. Where have the vast bulk of these extra drivers come from? Foreign countries. Duh.

And they all happened to be going to Wales at the same time as him and made him more than three hours late?? Duh.

Where did he say that? He didn't.

It is obvious that our roads are more congested than they otherwise would be if we hadn't had so much immigration in recent years. That's the point he was making. Why is it so hard for you politically correct lefties to understand this? It's quite a simple concept to understand if you have an ounce of intelligence.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Someone with an ounce of intelligence would have known that the M4 was going to be like that and made allowances instead of pathetic excuses. And another person with an ounce of intelligence wouldn't swallow such a pathetic excuse.

[IC1967]

I'll have another go. Do you think Nige would have got there earlier if we hadn't allowed in millions of immigrants over recent years? Do you think our roads would be less congested if we hadn't allowed in millions of immigrants over recent years?

A simple yes or no will do.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'll have another go. Do you think Nige would have got there earlier if we hadn't allowed in millions of immigrants over recent years? Do you think our roads would be less congested if we hadn't allowed in millions of immigrants over recent years?

A simple yes or no will do.

No. Because 'Nige' is talking b*llocks.

[IC1967]

Sorry you got the answer wrong. The correct answer is yes. How anyone could get that one wrong is beyond me. The only possible reason I can come up with is that you just want to try and bash Nige whether what you are bashing him with makes any sense at all.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Sorry you got the answer wrong. The correct answer is yes. How anyone could get that one wrong is beyond me. The only possible reason I can come up with is that you just want to try and bash Nige whether what you are bashing him with makes any sense at all.

No. I just used the information in Nige's direct quote. As you're so happy of telling everybody else, do a bit of research. It's all there for you, just do the maths and you'll see why Nige is talking b*llocks.

[Glyn_Wigley]

That's stumped him. :D

[IC1967]

Hahaha. You do make me laugh. I've explained where Nige was coming from but once again you haven't understood me. You are so obsessed with bashing Nige that any sense of logic or reason goes straight out of the window.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Use the figures Nige himself stated in his quote. All it takes is a bit of maths and you can see it's Nige that's chucking logic and reason out of the window, not me. It's all there on a plate for you. Unless, of course, Nige is lying..?

[IC1967]

Use the figures Nige himself stated in his quote. All it takes is a bit of maths and you can see it's Nige that's chucking logic and reason out of the window, not me. It's all there on a plate for you. Unless, of course, Nige is lying..?

Nige didn't use any immigration figures in his quote.

Look its very simple. It takes longer to get from A to B in our country because there are more road users than there used to be and this is caused in part by uncontrolled immigration.

[wilts rover]

Mick, all these immigrants, why are they driving on the M4 on a Friday evening? Where are they going?
As someone who lives a lot closer to the M4 than you do I can tell you - they are rich commuters who work and live in London and the Thames Valley during the week and then go to their second home in the Brecon Beacons, Gower Peninsula, Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire for the weekend. The only way immigration has any effect is that whatever job these people do having more people to do it for has made them very rich hence them being able to afford more than one home when there is a percentage of our society who dont even have one.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Use the figures Nige himself stated in his quote. All it takes is a bit of maths and you can see it's Nige that's chucking logic and reason out of the window, not me. It's all there on a plate for you. Unless, of course, Nige is lying..?

Nige didn't use any immigration figures in his quote.

Look its very simple. It takes longer to get from A to B in our country because there are more road users than there used to be and this is caused in part by uncontrolled immigration.

You don't need any immigration figures to know how much crap Nige is spouting. For someone who reminds us on every possible occasion of your supposed superior intelligence, I can't believe how incredibly dense you truly are.

[IC1967]

Mick, all these immigrants, why are they driving on the M4 on a Friday evening? Where are they going?
As someone who lives a lot closer to the M4 than you do I can tell you - they are rich commuters who work and live in London and the Thames Valley during the week and then go to their second home in the Brecon Beacons, Gower Peninsula, Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire for the weekend. The only way immigration has any effect is that whatever job these people do having more people to do it for has made them very rich hence them being able to afford more than one home when there is a percentage of our society who dont even have one.

Look. I don't agree with everything Nige says believe it or not. However he has decided he is onto a winner by playing the immigration card as much as possible. That is the context that his comments need to be seen in. No-one seriously believes he was late just because the motorway was full of immigrants. However it is undeniable that our roads are more congested due to uncontrolled immigration over recent years. That is point to take from this incident.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Mick, all these immigrants, why are they driving on the M4 on a Friday evening? Where are they going?
As someone who lives a lot closer to the M4 than you do I can tell you - they are rich commuters who work and live in London and the Thames Valley during the week and then go to their second home in the Brecon Beacons, Gower Peninsula, Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire for the weekend. The only way immigration has any effect is that whatever job these people do having more people to do it for has made them very rich hence them being able to afford more than one home when there is a percentage of our society who dont even have one.

Look. I don't agree with everything Nige says believe it or not. However he has decided he is onto a winner by playing the immigration card as much as possible. That is the context that his comments need to be seen in. No-one seriously believes he was late just because the motorway was full of immigrants. However it is undeniable that our roads are more congested due to uncontrolled immigration over recent years. That is point to take from this incident.

So you do agree Nige is talking b*llocks about why he was late!

Good to get that cleared up. I can't understand why it took you so long.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've explained where Nige was coming from

Swindon direction? After leaving about 2 hours later than he should have done?

Me, when I have an important meeting to travel to, I check things like the AA website to see what the traffic is like.

But I appreciate that UKIP harks back to the good old days. When we didn't have things like the internet.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Am I reading this right - Ed wants to make sensible cuts but won't tell anyone what they are?  How can you go forwards with a policy of, elect us and we'll make the right decisions?  That's simply bizarre!

[IC1967]

Am I reading this right - Ed wants to make sensible cuts but won't tell anyone what they are?  How can you go forwards with a policy of, elect us and we'll make the right decisions?  That's simply bizarre!

You are. Its a joke. The only commitments they've made will save a very small percentage of whats needed.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Am I reading this right - Ed wants to make sensible cuts but won't tell anyone what they are?  How can you go forwards with a policy of, elect us and we'll make the right decisions?  That's simply bizarre!

No, it's much easier to get elected by spouting grandiose statements such as promising to protect frontline services, then once elected turn round and piss in the eyes of the voters.

[IC1967]

Today was supposed to be the day red Ed made up for forgetting to talk about the deficit (and immigration and welfare) at the party conference. He was going to tell us how Labour were going to reduce the deficit during the next parliament. He was going to restore our belief in Labour's economic competence. He must think we're all stupid. Here are the only commitments he has committed to (which we already knew about):


    Stopping the winter fuel allowance for "the wealthiest pensioners"
    Capping child benefit rises at 1%
    Scrapping police commissioners
   

Wow. That's going to save less than a billion. The winter fuel allowance policy will actually only affect 5% of pensioners and will cost more to implement than it will save. But lets not let that get in the way of a good soundbite.

He's also going to increase wages and protect public services.

The man is a total utter joke and Labour's policies if you can call them that are ridiculous in the extreme. The cuts that he says he is prepared to make will make the last 5 years look like a walk in the park. However, anyone with an ounce of intelligence will not believe him.

There is no way Labour will cut the deficit and eliminate it during the next parliament. If the best he can do is come up with less than a billion in cuts in his big speech then he is taking us all for mugs. He must really believe that the 35% of people he wants to vote for him are unbelievably stupid.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'm sorry, were you expecting each and every one of next year's election policy initiatives announced today for some reason?

[IC1967]

We were lead to believe that this was the day red Ed was going to clarify how the deficit was to be removed during the next parliament. He didn't do it. Not that I expected him to do for a second.

How he's got the nerve to pretend that he did so today is breathtaking. The public deserve so much better from its political leaders.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Glad you're including all the rest in there.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Am I reading this right - Ed wants to make sensible cuts but won't tell anyone what they are?  How can you go forwards with a policy of, elect us and we'll make the right decisions?  That's simply bizarre!

No, it's much easier to get elected by spouting grandiose statements such as promising to protect frontline services, then once elected turn round and piss in the eyes of the voters.

Come on Glyn, Labour have spent the last 5 years opposing every cut, yet they'll end up going even further, they're setting that up by not making promises.  I think it's the right thing for them to do, it has to be done, but I don't think their voters, union leaders, activists or the general public will see it that way. They got themselves in to a position of anti cuts, evil tories etc.  If they do similar they're massively risking following the Lib Dem strategy a bit too closely.

The bit about selling off unwanted government assets amused me though, I thought Labour was hugely against selling things off, talk about change in tact...

[IC1967]

I'd rather the Tories won the election but wouldn't be too upset if Labour actually formed the government. BFYP is right. Their voters are going to feel very let down. It might be worth letting them rule for a couple of years until the public realised what they were all about and then they wouldn't get in for a generation. Short term pain for long term gain. I can live with that.

Its just a shame the public can't see whats staring them in the face.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP

You don't get what Opposition is about do you. It's about not making yourself a target. It's about sniping and wounding the Govt, not about inspiring people.

It's shit but that's how it is.

Cameron didn't set out a detailed programme from 2005-10.  He started off saying he agreed with Brown's spending plans and would continue them. When the banking crisis came, he gave a speech saying he would support drastic measures needed to save us from a calamity. He then vanished for 6 months and let the Govt take the worst if the flak. When the existential crisis to the world economy was over, he popped up again saying that Brown should have spent less and that he opposed every action that had been taken on the spot. to avert the disaster. He then said that increasing VAT was not something they were considering, before increasing it within weeks of taking power.

That's what Opposition is about. It truly is shit, but don't blame the politicians for it. Or if you do, be consistent and blame them all.