70,000 Where are you?

[nice one rovers]

At the game yesterday, the home fans had a big banner held up with this statement. Anyone know what it's about?

[Prez]

Guessing that's the amount of "fans" who signed the petition

[Spud]

It's about the 70k apparent Oldham fans that signed the petition not to sign Ched.

[nice one rovers]

Ta lads, I can rest now,

[IDM]

But they won't all have been Oldham fans, just folks expressing an opinion on the Evans situation by signing a petition.

I have my own opinions but saw no need to sign a petition, and I reckon many thousands more were the same.

[LincsRover]

They make a very good point - I wouldn't want him here on moral grounds (not wanting to start that debate again!) but I can sympathise with their frustration of so many signing a petition but not being arsed to turn up just once to support the team!

It'd be the same if rovers were in the same boat.

 

[IDM]

There are thousands of potentially dormant fans - look at any 3rd/4th division side that gets to the JPT final or the play offs.  Where are the 25000 odd Rovers fans who went to Wembley?  Where are the 40000 Bristol Rovers fans who were at Cardiff, etc etc...

[bedale rover]

I signed both petitions not as an Oldham fan ( god forbid) but as I feel that he shouldn't be playing
professional football
That's my opinion

[River Don]

Whether those who signed the Oldham petition were or were not Oldham fans, it does demonstrate what a PR nightmare it would be for any club intent on hiring him at the moment.

[nice one rovers]

He needs to lie low until he's won his appeal, which he will win.
Not sure how long the appeal will take though, maybe that's why he's in such a rush to get a contract somewhere.

[bedale rover]

He needs to lie low until he's won his appeal, which he will win.
Not sure how long the appeal will take though, maybe that's why he's in such a rush to get a contract somewhere.

Like he won his last appeal?
He was found guilty by a jury of his peers
It was referred to the court of appeal and THREE judges upheld the verdict as David conn in the guardian pointed for those who go to appeal at the next level the success rate is 7%
I would not hold your breath on his chances

[nice one rovers]

He needs to lie low until he's won his appeal, which he will win.
Not sure how long the appeal will take though, maybe that's why he's in such a rush to get a contract somewhere.

Like he won his last appeal?
He was found guilty by a jury of his peers
It was referred to the court of appeal and THREE judges upheld the verdict as David conn in the guardian pointed for those who go to appeal at the next level the success rate is 7%
I would not hold your breath on his chances

Sorry, I had meant to put "will probably win", not "will win".

[bedale rover]

He needs to lie low until he's won his appeal, which he will win.
Not sure how long the appeal will take though, maybe that's why he's in such a rush to get a contract somewhere.

Like he won his last appeal?
He was found guilty by a jury of his peers
It was referred to the court of appeal and THREE judges upheld the verdict as David conn in the guardian pointed for those who go to appeal at the next level the success rate is 7%
I would not hold your breath on his chances

Sorry, I had meant to put "will probably win", not "will win".

You possibly mean has a "remote chance of winning"

[acko]

you are obviousy not keeping up to date,his chances of winning are now quite high,everything been grought forward because a major part of the appeal concerns a point of law.and a lot as been made of the percentage of cases won on appeal it still showed around 600 had been wrongly convicted is everyone happy with that

[bpoolrover]

If you listen to 1 side acko his chances have improved if u listen to another they haven't,it just depends which side you want to believe

[bedale rover]

We will have to disagree
His chances of winning will be remote unless he has new evidence
The case was reviewed by the appeal court who deemed the conviction safe so unless there is new evidence itcwill fail
You are obviously not keeping up to date but reading what you want to believe

[acko]

dont wish to argue bpool but it wasnt an appeal court it was three judges sticking up for their mate and refused the right to appeal,if they had allowed the appeal originally we probably wouldnt be having this debate

[IDM]

dont wish to argue bpool but it wasnt an appeal court it was three judges sticking up for their mate and refused the right to appeal,if they had allowed the appeal originally we probably wouldnt be having this debate

3 judges sticking up for their mate? You know them all personally to say that do you?

Please explain to me, in clear terms, why YOU are better placed to interpret the evidence and make a judgement on the appeals process.

No?  Shut up then..!!

[acko]

the difference here IDM i beleave the laws as they stand,might not like some but have to put up with it ,in your case you only beleave the bits of the law you like.

[The Red Baron]

Acko

I hope this doesn't offend you but from the number of posts you've made relating to Ched Evans I've found myself wondering whether you have a personal interest in him and his case.

[IDM]

the difference here IDM i beleave the laws as they stand,might not like some but have to put up with it ,in your case you only beleave the bits of the law you like.

Explain?

The laws as they stand have convicted Evans in front of judge and jury.  The appeals process has been carried out in accordance with the law - if any precedural mistakes have been made then surely the latest legal proceedings will investigate that?

Precisely what laws are you saying I am not believing??

whereas YOU make a supposition about the judges looking after their mates!

I challenge you to PROVE your accusations, or shut up!!!

[acko]

lets put this to bed IDM.THERE WAS NO APPEAL PROCEDURE,3 judgesdecided to deny an appeal,which if you are a honest person and i dont have reason to think your not must admit seems wrong everybody should have the right to appeal if you get sack from work you have the right to appeal.

[wilts rover]

Acko you are correct, if you get the sack from work you have the right to appeal. What you have forgotten to put is that - unless there is new evidence or evidence that the procedure for giving the decision was wrong - there is no chance whatsoever the appeal will be upheld. See I used to be a union offical too.

And the new evidence in Ched Evans' case is what? You dont think he is guilty? It ain't convincing me.

[Muttley]

There WAS an appeal procedure - if you want to appeal you have to lodge an application to the court inc. what new evidence has surfaced since the original decision. The judge(s) then decide if there is sufficient cause to allow the appeal.

If every single convicted person was allowed an unconditional right of appeal (as you're suggesting) then the judicial process would take even longer than it already does.

[Iberian Red]

Acko was either the fluffer, or up for second (third) dibs. Either way I claim my five pounds.

[IDM]

THERE WAS NO APPEAL PROCEDURE,3 judgesdecided to deny an appeal,

er, that was the procedure??

[BobG]

This is getting really quite scary you know. Can you imagine the possible outcomes if people like this ever end up on a jury? Christ Almighty......

BobG

[SoundbiteBarmyArmy]

I can see how it would have frustrated the Oldham fans, but in all honest the subject is boring me beyond tears and I genuinely don't care whether the bloke plays again or not.

Did anyone see Saturday night's FLS where Clem was interviewing Oldham's Director (or whatever he was) and he was nearly in tears at the fact that people have been berating OAFC all week and he was devastated that Evans didn't sign. As they say; there's plenty more fish in the sea!

[nice one rovers]

Here's the reading matter for those that have the time or inclination. When you've read it you can have your own opinion, rather than what the media wants you to have.

https://www.crimeline.info/uploads/cases/2012ewcacrim2559.pdf

[IDM]

I think the issues of Evans' guilt (or not), and the possibility to return to football whilst he remains a convicted rapist, are very separate.

Some folks say he should return as they believe he is innocent - well let him prove this first.

Some folks think a convicted rapist should never be allowed to return to football.

Others (and I am in this camp) think he could return, even if appeals fail, as long as he is genuinely repentant as part of his rehabilitation.  His statements last week after the Oldham debacle were too late - he should have said those things on release from prison.  So for me, it's clear your name first and if that fails show much more remorse.

Whether I believe, myself, that Evans is guilty or not is neither here nor there.  The Jury found him guilty and due legal process upheld this via a refusal of appeal, which I accept.  Should that subsequently be proved incorrect, then I will accept the new outcomes.