90 minutes Game Clock

[Donnywolf]

OK ... its probably never going to happen but can anyone say it would not make sense to ...

a) STOP the Clock as soon as a Goal is awarded so in tonights case their Muppets could jump up and down , form pyramids and then walk back EVENTUALLY to allow us to kick off again. It seems so unfair that a Team concedes a goal but then gets punished again as the cynical opposition use up another 2 to 3 minutes getting back to the middle. Stopping the clock for goals would kill that dead

b) STOP the Clock as soon as the Ref signals a substitution is to be made. Remember we had that loony a few games ago who took the piss and eventually got sent off. Tonight there were 2 subs and I am CONVINCED that those coming off were told and went as far away as possible to obviously then take MINUTES to get off the Pitch

So if the clock stops let them crawl off - it WONT matter a flying f***

[RobTheRover]

Its Cotterill, I tells thee.  The man is a complete wind-up merchant and a kitson of the highest order, and his sides are in his image.

[Donnywolf]

If we behaved like they did tonight I would hate it even if we were being successful

Its an obnoxious way to "entertain"

[dickos1]

Yes when wilbraham was about to be subbed the bench told him to run to otherside of pitch

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Just like the spray. A match clock would be a simple solution to solve a lot of what is wrong with the game. Take the timekeeping away from the ref, clock showing for all to see, counts down, game ends at 00:00. Probably see an end to pointless late substitutions as well as all the timewasting tactics.

[Donnywolf]

Yes I thnk a lot of the games ills would go but I cant see anyone anytime soon implementing a 90 Minute Clock as the ball is only in Play on average about 66 Minutes

However I can see no reason why the Ref cannot stop the Stadium Clock just for Goals and Substitutions * as a next best option. He did stop their 3rd Goal celebrations and got them to "trudge back". He went to Wilbrahim and waved him towards the centre spot and I took notice of the time. It still took 45 seconds for him to walk as slowly as possible and make it back into his own half


* I chose them simply because there is no contention. Score a goal Clock Stops - take a signal that a Substitution is ready Blow whistle / Stop Clock - seems too easy but then the Ref does not have to "guess" what time has been wasted by either Goals or Substitutions

[Jenny]

I think we are a bit blinkered to be honest, I have lost count of the number of times we have done the same with substitutions when we are in the winning position. It has become a bit of a game to play - guess who is going off by the fact that they have gone to the opposite end of the pitch.

[POD]

Yes, we do it as well.

When Wellens scored the winner against Crewe last week, the clock had just reached 90 minutes and 3 minutes went up on the board.

It took over a minute for all our players to finish celebrating and get back to the half way line, but the ref played exactly 3 minutes.

No one was complaining then, apart from maybe a few Crewe supporters!

[Donnywolf]

It does work both ways but does not make it right. Sulli as we know must have written the time wasters Manual for keepers but it does not make it right

I don't think I am blinkered in making this point - I just think it would stop negativity both ways - though I cant see it happening any time soon.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

May be time! for a new FSF campaign as we the punters are being short changed. Any campaign has to start somewhere. If we think change will never happen it never will.

[Jenny]

I think I would stop going if I had to sit through more minutes than I already do... what good would adding on another X minutes have done last night? We'd still be playing the Brentford championship match now if there was a game clock!

[Mr1Croft]

Ball boys, game clock, officials and too much punditry in Rovers Player commentary seems to be the reason we lost last night.

Apart from that, I imagine we were brilliant?

[Filo]

Ball boys, game clock, officials and too much punditry in Rovers Player commentary seems to be the reason we lost last night.

Apart from that, I imagine we were brilliant?

Is that first hand information, or second hand?

[BobG]

Cotterill. You know what? I truly believe I loathe that bloke, and the teams he turns out, more than Fatboy at Rotherham. I can't think of a single other manager I despise as much as Cotterill. He really is the epitomy of a kitson. A total and utter kitson. A bloody kitson. Kitson sodding kitson. The bloke's a kitson.

BobG

[Mr1Croft]

Ball boys, game clock, officials and too much punditry in Rovers Player commentary seems to be the reason we lost last night.

Apart from that, I imagine we were brilliant?

Is that first hand information, or second hand?

Are you intent on hijacking every thread with this vendetta Filo?

I'd say your agenda was hidden, but it looks pretty clear to me.

[Filo]

Ball boys, game clock, officials and too much punditry in Rovers Player commentary seems to be the reason we lost last night.

Apart from that, I imagine we were brilliant?

Is that first hand information, or second hand?

Are you intent on hijacking every thread with this vendetta Filo?

I'd say your agenda was hidden, but it looks pretty clear to me.

Hijacking?

You missed the winky in the post then?


Vendetta?

It was a sarcastic retort to your original sarcastic post, wind your neck in!

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I don't think it will make games any longer to sit through Jenny. I think it would have the desired effect of reducing the timewasting and gamesmanship. RL and RL games don't suffer from this, they just get on with the game and that's we all want.

[ss1953]

I thought the 4th official who adds on extra time to be played, was tasked to sort this out.

[Donnywolf]

I thought the 4th official who adds on extra time to be played, was tasked to sort this out.

No ,,, it is the Ref who keeps track and it is the Ref who signals TO the 4th Official to tell him what number to display

[GazLaz]

Course it would make games longer. Cant see it ever happening.

[Donnywolf]

It WOULD add "real game time" that is for sure but the conceding Team are not punished further as Rovers were for Bristol's 3rd goal. There was a break in the "action" lasting at least 3 minutes I would say and that was time that due to the current way the game is run they lost for good. *

Substitutions would also add "real game time" for sure but at least they would not be a time wasting tactic any more. Simply stop the Clock when a Sub is coming on and even if the opposition player (or ours of course) is in the East Stand at the Tea Bar and takes an age to "get off" after applauding his fans , shaking hands with everybody on the pitch and doubling back cos he missed the Ref - it wont penalise anyone

However as you stay its a stepping stone (that will probably NOT happen) to a 90 Minute Game Clock that definitely wont happen either !

* I say for good because in this example the Ref added 5 minutes - and the 20 man brawl must have cost 5 minutes in itself - so the Main Goal and their 3rd  AND the Substitutions were seemingly ignored

[andysly]

Yes, we do it as well.

When Wellens scored the winner against Crewe last week, the clock had just reached 90 minutes and 3 minutes went up on the board.

It took over a minute for all our players to finish celebrating and get back to the half way line, but the ref played exactly 3 minutes.

No one was complaining then, apart from maybe a few Crewe supporters!

In fairness Crewe had been at it from the start, it was brilliant to see their attitude change when we went in front. Justice served on that one.

[silent majority]

May be time! for a new FSF campaign as we the punters are being short changed. Any campaign has to start somewhere. If we think change will never happen it never will.

I couldn't support that as a campaign Baz. We have enough on our plate without diverting resources to change the laws of the game.

But just to add to this debate, the next IFAB meeting which is either happening now or very soon, has an agenda item based on 'stopping the clock' , plus sin bins and changes to the handball law.

[Bentley Bullet]

Sin binning would be a great step forward. Multi- subbing like in rugby league would be a great addition too.

[knockers]

We only had seven subs on Tuesday but needed eleven! Maybe multi-multi subbing is needed

[silent majority]

Extra subs are also on the agenda.

[BobG]

Oh God no.....

I hate all these bloody substitutes. Two is more than ample. if the manager cocks up his team selection, tough.  That's part of the game too.

BobG

[1879Rovers]

A referee is supposed to add on 30 seconds for a goal and a substitution. I agree with BB. Why can't the fourth official take care of subs whilst the game is going on and also bringing on a trainer. There would be no need to stop the game (unless it is serious or in an area like the goalmouth). Sin binning would be brilliant and would stop a lot of the back chat. Managers would soon teach their players to keep their mouths shut if they were going to be on the sidelines for ten minutes. For a sport that is supposed to be the biggest in the world, we could learn so much from Rugby League.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Oh God no.....

I hate all these bloody substitutes. Two is more than ample. if the manager cocks up his team selection, tough.  That's part of the game too.

BobG

Agreed, I hate it too. It should be 11v11. As a max I'd stretch to 3 subs including a compulsory keeper with two outfield subs allowed and one keeper sub if needed for the keeper only. The idea of rolling subs is even worse.

Fewer subs means there'd be a slightly smaller squad, increased team familiarity and less fannying around.

Good ideas about another official taking care of the subs and injuries. IMO play should continue whilst a player is being taken care of on or off the pitch (has to go off to come into play again if the trainer comes on), likewise when a sub is being made - sub off before new one comes on. Time stopped between a goal and restart, likewise for a penalty. Sin bins could be trialed.

And round  off the corners!