Should this have been offside?

[red w(h)ine]

The second goal (after about 2 mins if you don't want to sit through it all)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34691220

The goalkeeper in attempting a save has dived behind the line. When the ball eventually arrives at the scorer there is only 1 player between him and the line.
Is the scorer offside?

[idler]

I think that in the net is classed as field of play in this circumstance.
I could be wrong though, I usually am.

[Yorkiered]

Definitely onside

[red w(h)ine]

The ruling is

A player is in an offside position if:
he is nearer to his opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent

Does it make any difference which side of the goal line the second-last opponent is? I don't think the rule really covers it.

[DearneValleyRover]

If a defender is over the dead ball line but not injured I'm sure they are still classed as in play. Sure I've seen a situation like that which led to a goal being given as the said player was playing everyone onside.

[IDM]

Technically a player leaving the field of play without the referee's permission can be cautioned. 

[drfchound]

In the old days before the new offside rule (which nobody really understands anyway) i can recall a game in which an attacking player stepped off the pitch to avoid being offside when his team were attacking.
This was in the days when an attacker was deemed to be offside whether or not he was interfereing with play.

[BobG]

This raises the one that always bugs me too.

A breakaway with two attacking players racing through on the goal. Attacker with the ball draws the goalie, squares it to his mate and he sticks it in the empty net. Goal. Every time I've ever seen it. There was one last week somewhere. How come? That second attacker, the one who scores, has got to be offside surely?

BobG

[balby boy]

If the ball's not played forward Bob then the receiver is not offside.

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[BobG]

Ah!! Damn me!! Thank you BB!! You live and learn don't you? I guess I should have learned that about 40 years ago. But I never did... I wonder what the logic is behind that ? If the law basically says 'if you receive the ball from someone on your own side and there ain't at least 2 opposition players between you and the goal when you do, then you're offside. So how does playing it sideways or backwards invalidate that basic rule?

Cheers!

BobG

[JonWallsend]

Ah!! Damn me!! Thank you BB!! You live and learn don't you? I guess I should have learned that about 40 years ago. But I never did... I wonder what the logic is behind that ? If the law basically says 'if you receive the ball from someone on your own side and there ain't at least 2 opposition players between you and the goal when you do, then you're offside. So how does playing it sideways or backwards invalidate that basic rule?

Cheers!

BobG

Bob think about it. Every time an attacker got to the byeline all the defence would have to do is run towards the half way line and play the attackers offside. However they don't as you can't be offside if you are behind the ball when it is played to you. Technically it could go backwards, sidewards or even forewards. Admittedly a bit difficult from right on the byeline.  You are getting too wrapped up in the cricket these days!

[BobG]

Thank you. Obvious when you know how!

I think I better abandon footy....

Hey! Talking about cricket, a little dickie bird told me last week that he's going to be invited to a trial for some MCC course this winter! Bit awkward on the timing but cool or what?!!!

Cheers

Bob

[IDM]

if the receiving player is behind the ball, when it is kicked (regardless of the direction) then he/she will be onside under the old and newer rules.

[Yorkiered]

The one situation that always gets me is when a player takes a short corner and just taps the ball about a foot, the other player stops the ball and the player taking the corner crosses the ball.
Surely the first player is coming from an offside position?

[The Red Baron]

The one situation that always gets me is when a player takes a short corner and just taps the ball about a foot, the other player stops the ball and the player taking the corner crosses the ball.
Surely the first player is coming from an offside position?

Depends whether a defender is standing on the goal line.

[Yorkiered]

The one situation that always gets me is when a player takes a short corner and just taps the ball about a foot, the other player stops the ball and the player taking the corner crosses the ball.
Surely the first player is coming from an offside position?

Depends whether a defender is standing on the goal line.

Agreed, but how many times do you see no defender on the goal line but no offside decision given.

[Rosso Exile Deux]

... I wonder what the logic is behind that ? ....

Don't know about logic but its all buried in the history of the game. Since day blob you can only be offside if you are ahead of the ball, that's still the first part of the offside rule, as in Rugby, so probably goes back to 19th century public schools.

[drfchound]

If the ball's not played forward Bob then the receiver is not offside.

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That is not correct balby boy.
The ball can be played forward(or back or sideways) but the receiving player must be behind(further away from goal) the player who makes the pass at the time the pass is made.

Remember Paynters pass to Copps at Brentford, that one was played forward.

[ck-rtid]

You cannot be offside from a corner

[Yorkiered]

You cannot be offside from a corner

You can if you are the 2nd person receiving the ball.

[ck-rtid]

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside.aspx

[IDM]

A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:

interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position

Read more at http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside.aspx#DlUObcqYV5KswKEa.99

Consider the 3rd option above.  Now picture a breakaway attack, where player A passes to B who is onside, but at the time of making the pass, player C is in an offside position some distance away.  Player B then runs faster than C, gets ahead, and passes to C who is now onside, but has got there by being in an offside position earlier.

How often do these then get pulled back by the officials for player C being offside by (subsequently) gaining an advantage?  Not these days, they only get flagged when receiving the ball from an offside situation.

[drfchound]

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside.aspx

I think you are trying to point out that "a player cant be offside from a corner kick".
The instance that had been discussed was when a player takes a short corner and then has it passed back to him when he is an offside position.
That is then two passes from the corner being taken so the original corner taker has not received the ball directly from a corner so he could be flagged offside in that instance.