Engxit?

[Arksey rover]

Don't know why he didn't have rashford on from the start. He did more in the few minutes that he was on, than Vardy and Kane did all bloody game !. Overrated and over paid bunch of tossers !.

[Iberian Red]

Hodgson resigns

resigns or re-signs 

you don't pronounce the hyphen

can we have that in writing please -- so many people are going back on their word
 I'll be waiting round the corner. Can you bring the bag of brown,and the bag of tricks?

[Donnywolf]

How were Iceland dreadful?

Doesn't make England's exit better - Iceland have done a job over 4 games starting with the same 11 and are unbeaten, which is dreadful is it?

I'm sorry I don't get that argmuent..  Italy or Germany they may not be, but Iceland won tonight fair and square..

. How they've got tp the last eight of a major tournament is akin to a miracle.

Dont forget Greece won it !

[Colemans Left Hook]

How were Iceland dreadful?

Doesn't make England's exit better - Iceland have done a job over 4 games starting with the same 11 and are unbeaten, which is dreadful is it?

I'm sorry I don't get that argmuent..  Italy or Germany they may not be, but Iceland won tonight fair and square..

. How they've got tp the last eight of a major tournament is akin to a miracle.

Dont forget Greece won it !

and Denmark did who didn't even qualify the breaking up of Yugoslavia got them re-instated

[wing commander]

  We never learned a single thing from the group stage...Despite the arguments on here we were hopeless from the minute we kicked off against Russia...We've got to find a manager not scared of reputations who has a plan of how he wants to play and picks squads to that system...

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wing Co

No, no NO!

No and f**king NO again!

It is not about the managers. We don't produce players with the intelligence to take on responsibility.

Ever!

In the past 50 years, we haven't ever produced a squad with more than a handful of players that an independent observer would envy.

We TELL ourselves that we produce world beaters. But they are not. They are mentally and technically limited grafters, who are exposed for what they are on a two-yearly basis.

With different managers. And the inevitable cry that "If only we had a better manager..."

Capello was one of the finest managers of his generation. He had one of the best win percentages of any England manager in history. But that couldn't take us further than humiliation against the first decent side we played. Because he was playing with a shit hand.

It is NOT the fault of the managers. (Even though this one was particularly inept.) No manager on earth could make England competitive, because the fault is with a system that produces mediocrity and calls it genius.

It will not change until people stop buying into that myth and demand a root and branch revolution in the structure of our game.
 

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I'm stunned that we can be that bad. For successive tournaments we've seen the players start off reasonably but then be seemingly overwhelmed with fear.

I don't know why this should be but all common sense and logic seems to be abandoned when determining the strategy to get through a tournament.

The thing is, there's genuine talent that's being wasted.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Iceland's manager, tactically outsmarted him. He doubled up on the wing backs, gave each player a simple job, and they did it.
England from 1-11, nobody performed. This group of under achievers, will be being fawned over in a few months time. People thinking they are not as good as them. I tell you something if you are not as good as this shower, you must be bad.
Iceland, played a men's game, we had 'Pretend-to be's, in our side. Against any side, you have to compete first of all, then you can show you're skills. I have never seen a team cower under the pressure like that, we have lost games before, but i think that's the worst i have ever seen!.

Iceland, were never threatened, they got their goals, and did what was needed to win. Two simple goals, not dazzling skill undid us. If you were playing sunday league football, or any level, you wouldn't be happy with those goals.
We have a major problem in this country, that everything we do, we think is the best, but reality is very sobering!.

[Donnywolf]

I was fortunate to see us win in '66 and look like we might retain the WC 4 years later

Since then we have merely flirted with becoming of the big boys again ! That's a couple of times of trying to be on a par with Germany and Italy who when they have "average" Teams still give their fans a show and something to give them pride and promise going forward

I resign myself to the fact that I will never see us win any trophy of significance in my lifetime - and indeed I am a Club before Country man more and more as the years roll by.

P.S. I wonder what that kid on the top of the Clay Lane single decker feels this morning - oh and wait for the first Iceland shop to be firebombed somewhere ! Netto will probably beat England next with an 11 selected from their 15 stores nationwide

[Bristol Red Rover]

The MOTD analysis was pretty good, along the same lines as what BST said above. The England side looked like kids playing with their ipods plugged in. It wasn't a "team", there was little engagement between them, over paid office workers more engaged with Facebook than the job in hand.

Whilst we haven't been as bad as that, it's not disimilar to where Rovers have been lacking over the last few seasons. We need a spine of mesters in the side, England and Rovers.

[albie]

The England team is a symptom of a wider malaise in the football industry here;
We get the England football team we deserve | David Conn | Opinion | The Guardian

Because we never look to sort out the structure in any meaningful way, we will continue to fail, and continue to be surprised when we do.

Too many snouts in the trough, too many prepared to be deluded at a false promise, and not enough grey matter to even see it.

Nutshell!

[BillyStubbsTears]

David Conn, as ever, hits the nail on the head.

On which theme, I've posted this link before, buts it's as apt as ever given the events of the past week on the pitch and in the polling booth.

https://brendano7.com/2010/06/07/england’s-dreaming-again/

[southwestexile]

50 years of hurt

Is it just part of the process in building a winning squad for Russia in 2 years?

[Sammy Chung was King]

Every month, all through the season, the squad should have a training day, or couple of days. The problems start way down the system, not being learned to play under pressure.
 Foreign sides, pass to players with opposition close to them, because they trust each other on the ball.
Control of a ball is a given, they are already working out the next move, our players are still thinking 'Can i control this'. That is why we cannot play good football at high speed.

 In the premier league, if they lose it, they get the ball back very quickly. But in international football, you lose the ball, and it very rarely comes straight back.
The coaching system needs to be learned properly, then they can learn the players how to play. Money needs to be restricted until players achieve something.
 They are throwing money at young kids, many who have never seen a lot of money. And they expect them to retain ambition to do well, unfortunately many think they have already made it, before the international stage.