Goal line technology ?

[Donnywolf]

... is needed at all levels not just in the Premier League. I think it should be mandatory whatever the cost.

Not entirely unconnected to that there were three yesterday in our game and as I have said on here many times (even when there are replays) they are no good to me as I get exactly the same view as I got "live" as the Camera is above my head

So in the First Half they cleared one off the Line or was it behind the line

Second half the ball hit the left post from a header - was it in

Finally Andy Williams hit the underside of the Bar in the lead up to the third goal. I have tried to stop that time and again on Telly but was that in ?

And I see Plymouth got a contraversial "was the ball over the line" opening goal and that is the point - it NEEDS a definitive ruling when goals are and are not awarded.

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[dknward2]

As the cost is around 300,000 per ground I don't think it is really worth it at the minute cost of scale would come down if installing to all 70+ league grounds but not enough to make it viable.

Can see it happening in the championship soon within 3 years as that is now a big money league.

I would guess if a club wants to install it they should be able to but it could work against them so it's a double edged sword

[glosterred]

You're probably right it is needed, but who is going to foot the bill for it to be installed at all grounds in the 4 leagues? Also, how does it work at grounds like the KMS where the goals are removed and reinstalled on regular basis for rugby does that have an affect on its accuracy?

COYR

[IDM]

Couldn't tell for the first half one by the players didn't appeal?

Blair's one, no, that hit the inside of the post and came out.. as for Williams, my gut feeling was it wasn't over the line but ultimately it didn't matter..

[GazLaz]

It's too expensive and the clubs have to foot the bill.

[del boy]

For the Williams attempt i was sat level with the goal line and i dont think it was over

[IDM]

The worst one I can remember at the KM is the one Copps "scored" in what ended up as a 0-0 draw vs Forest.. a breakaway and a 25ish yarder that had beaten their keeper and looked to all in the ground including the away fans that it has come down off the crossbar over the line.. ref and Lino didn't see it though..

I think that was early in the 08/09 season when we couldn't buy a win??

[Donnywolf]

True .... and these goal decisions sometimes right sometimes wrong need to be CORRECT each and every time

There can be infinite discussions about Penalties - whether they are fouls or not - whether it was Hand ball or not and indeed was the offence inside or outside and these are being exposed again and again BUT where there is proven technology available and available now it should be brought in without delay

It can be detrimental to one Team for sure but by coincidence I remember Crewe being relegated as a result of of a "disputed" goal which was in but not given. Their game had finished but WBA were away at Rotherham and had one clearly over the line deep into added time with the scores level I seem to remember. It was not given and so it saved Rotherham that point and kept them in that Division and relegated Crewe instead - unjust or what ?

[Retdon1]

As the cost is around 300,000 per ground I don't think it is really worth it at the minute cost of scale would come down if installing to all 70+ league grounds but not enough to make it viable.

Can see it happening in the championship soon within 3 years as that is now a big money league.

I would guess if a club wants to install it they should be able to but it could work against them so it's a double edged sword

300k for a few sensors in the goal posts seems very expensive

[Campsall rover]

The fat cats of the premiership and those with 1st yr parashoot payments should be made to pay for the all the other league clubs to have the technology fitted.
After all they can afford it ( equivalent  of one weeks wages fo the likes of Rooney, Costa etc etc. )
Oh silly me, can just see that being given the green light.
Can dream cant we.

[SydneyRover]

Just watched the highlights via Statto
http://www.doncaster.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=477308

If you watch the timer and stop the game at 0:28-29, let me know what you think.

[Donnywolf]

Cheers ..... it tells me the OP that I WAS right. ! G-O-A-L Andy Williams !

Some on here were saying things like "how unlucky was he today" after he had many attempts on goal / hit the bar etc etc and this is where the Game is plain wrong

The whole idea is to score - and it should never be in doubt and at least in the Prem it is not any more following the Lampard "goal". Goals change games and ironically we may have had Rovers having a goal (which did go in*) refused which might have cost them a "result" while by coincidence Plymouth were awarded a goal (which may not have gone in*) at about the same time which may have helped them to a positive result by the same unsatisfactory method. 2 or more Humans decisions mixed with emotion pressure etc.

It should never be that haphazard

* I should make it clear of course that I initially thought the AW effort was IN - and I still cannot say 100% that it was and neither do I know the Pilgrims goal was not in as it was inconclusive but I used them both as examples
 

[Donnywolf]

In addition my question re "goal" 2 was that the Blair one was not in (clear cut) but the Andy Williams header which hit the underside of the Bar is inconclusive. I have tried and tried to pause it but have failed so that may have gone in and equally may not which is not acceptable - by the Rules it does not need to be miles over the line like Lampards was just the whole of the ball must be behind the Line

Thanks for that SydneyRover

[GazLaz]

Cheers ..... it tells me the OP that I WAS right. ! G-O-A-L Andy Williams !

Some on here were saying things like "how unlucky was he today" after he had many attempts on goal / hit the bar etc etc and this is where the Game is plain wrong

The whole idea is to score - and it should never be in doubt and at least in the Prem it is not any more following the Lampard "goal". Goals change games and ironically we may have had Rovers having a goal (which did go in*) refused which might have cost them a "result" while by coincidence Plymouth were awarded a goal (which may not have gone in*) at about the same time which may have helped them to a positive result by the same unsatisfactory method. 2 or more Humans decisions mixed with emotion pressure etc.

It should never be that haphazard

* I should make it clear of course that I initially thought the AW effort was IN - and I still cannot say 100% that it was and neither do I know the Pilgrims goal was not in as it was inconclusive but I used them both as examples
 

It wasn't in. Spectacular save and pretty spectacular miss.

[Donnywolf]

The Plymouth one or AWs one ?

[Glyn_Wigley]

As the cost is around 300,000 per ground I don't think it is really worth it at the minute cost of scale would come down if installing to all 70+ league grounds but not enough to make it viable.

Can see it happening in the championship soon within 3 years as that is now a big money league.

I would guess if a club wants to install it they should be able to but it could work against them so it's a double edged sword

300k for a few sensors in the goal posts seems very expensive

How cheap do you think the software that runs the system is?

[Donnywolf]

9.99 from Currys / PC world probably !

[RedJ]

Get it off piratebay for nowt.

[Not Now Kato]

Open and shut case
 

[Donnywolf]

Cant understand him not remonstrating with the Purple Prat !

Just seemed to accept it

[IDM]

Open and shut case
 

I'm not convinced - the middle front edge of the ball could easily be straddling the line.. From this angle it looks over, but with the curvature of the ball I am not so sure.,,

[Superspy]

It wasn't over the line. That screen capture is playing tricks. It makes it look like the ball is over the line when in fact it is in front of the line but off the floor. Watch the highlights on youtube but click settings and slow it down to 0.25 speed. Quite clearly a great save.

By the time that capture has been taken the keeper's left arm is flailing around..he's actually already made the save with his right.

Slow mo gif to help...

[donnievic]

Don't think that one was over the line but still think his header was

[Superspy]

It wasn't. I did the same for that one, fortunately on the video it bounces down behind the keeper so you can see exactly where it lands, was in front of the line.

[knockers]

Williams movement was really good just before and as the cross came in

[Donnywolf]

It wasn't over the line. That screen capture is playing tricks. It makes it look like the ball is over the line when in fact it is in front of the line but off the floor. Watch the highlights on youtube but click settings and slow it down to 0.25 speed. Quite clearly a great save.

By the time that capture has been taken the keeper's left arm is flailing around..he's actually already made the save with his right.

Slow mo gif to help...

Great analyis and it just goes to show how much we NEED the technology pronto !