Divided Britain

[Glyn_Wigley]

I know that. But it doesn't exist in the sense that there is no singular constitution as it is as you say made up of all manner of things.

It does exist. It's just not in one single document. It doesn't have to be a Written Constitution to still be a Constitution.

[The Red Baron]

These 'centre ground' voters who din't vote for Labour in 2017 - who did they vote for then? The Liberals and Greens both saw a drop in their share of votes so it can't be them?

That only leaves the Tories - which would then mean a policy of Brexit, more austerity cuts, blocks on immigration and tax cuts is now the 'centre ground' of British politics.

There was a poll out recently which said something similar. It asked people where they thought each party stood on particular policies and found that whilst the centre was pretty much covered there was room for a new right wing party. Which is pretty much born out by what's happening across Europe.

Corbyn and Momentum have created something different in this country. A strong, mass movement party with pretty much social democratic policies. The biggest danger to it are the old Blairites who refuse to accept this whilst bleating for a return to the centre - whilst refusing to look around and seeing they aren't in the centre anymore.

This is the poll i referred to, which I for one find quite worrying

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/08/01/where-most-fertile-ground-new-party/

If you have PR, which I favour, an inevitable consequence would be at least one Right-wing party with seats in Parliament.

It would probably be formed from the rump of UKIP along with some of the more right wing elements of the current Tory Party.

Certainly in England you would probably end up with about six parties winning seats.

[RedJ]

There'd be a lot more Tories I think as the Scottish unionist vote tends to go to them these days.

[hoolahoop]

There'd be a lot more Tories I think as the Scottish unionist vote tends to go to them these days.

It does at the moment but that can and is likely to change overnight - it depends how solid that Tory vote is in Scotland . Past history would suggest that it is can't be relied upon.

[Axholme Lion]

I wouldn't have classed UKIP as far right.

[bobjimwilly]

I wouldn't have classed UKIP as far right.

If you don't class UKIP as far right, maybe you don't know as much as you think about Politics 

[Glyn_Wigley]

I wouldn't have classed UKIP as far right.

If you don't class UKIP as far right, maybe you don't know as much as you think about Politics 

Depends where you stand in the first place. I get the distinct impression that UKIP are pinko liberals compared to Axholme.

[Axholme Lion]

Well that's the usual reply anyone who doesn't vote labour or remain gets....
Next.

[RedJ]

Is it though?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Well that's the usual reply anyone who doesn't vote labour or remain gets....
Next.

I was comparing them to you, not anyone. Compared to just about anyone else, UKIP are rabid right-wingers.

[Axholme Lion]

I would say that UKIP stand for the silent majority of normal, hard working people.

[RedJ]

Of course you would.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I don't think I need to add anything to that.

[Axholme Lion]

Of course people like me aren't allowed an opinion, because we are too stupid to be allowed to vote because we didn't go to university and are not 'right on' lefties.

[RedJ]

Of course people like me aren't allowed an opinion, because we are too stupid to be allowed to vote because we didn't go to university and are not 'right on' lefties.

I didn't go to university either. Funny how perceived slight at intelligence always comes up when people get defensive though...

[BillyStubbsTears]

Of course you're allowed an opinion. Just like everyone is. And everyone's allowed to argue against them too.

[Copps is Magic]

The irony is the vast majority of current university students weren't allowed an opinion because they were too young to vote in the Brexit vote two years ago.

[Bentley Bullet]

I would say that UKIP stand for the silent majority of normal, hard working people.

I'm not sure about a silent 'majority' but I reckon there's a hell of a lot more silent UKIP supporters than their opponents like to think there are. They are silent because of the accusations of racism they get, just like those who voted leave get.

[Copps is Magic]

All credit to you BB for defending the truly politically disposed, the voiceless. They must dream of the day Nigel Farage can appear on daytime TV or Tommy Robinson can mobilise some EDL people without reprisal. One small catch though it's UKIP accusing UKIP of being racist. But apart from that.

[Bentley Bullet]

Ah, right. So UKIP is the only party where one member calls another racist! Mmm!

[BillyStubbsTears]

I would say that UKIP stand for the silent majority of normal, hard working people.

I'm not sure about a silent 'majority' but I reckon there's a hell of a lot more silent UKIP supporters than their opponents like to think there are. They are silent because of the accusations of racism they get, just like those who voted leave get.

Oh bless! Poor little lambs.

[Bentley Bullet]

Can't pull the wool over your eyes, eh Billy boy!

[hoolahoop]

I wouldn't have classed UKIP as far right.

I missed this little gem from Axholme - I do hope you said that in jest ? UKIP and followers of UKIP are definitely considered at least right of centre - right.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Of course people like me aren't allowed an opinion, because we are too stupid to be allowed to vote because we didn't go to university and are not 'right on' lefties.

If you're not allowed an opinion, how come you keep telling us what it is?

[Glyn_Wigley]

I would say that UKIP stand for the silent majority of normal, hard working people.

If that's true, how come they don't vote for UKIP? That big a majority would sweep them to power, surely?

[Axholme Lion]

I would say that UKIP stand for the silent majority of normal, hard working people.

If that's true, how come they don't vote for UKIP? That big a majority would sweep them to power, surely?

Because of the fear of splitting the vote for the centre right and letting in Labour by default, similar to the SDP/Labour vote split in the past.

[hoolahoop]

As was the Brexit vote.

.... its those who were too young to Vote I feel sorriest for particularly the 16 to 18 group (have to draw the line somewhere). They will be saddled* with the outcome of our EU departure without ever having a chance to vote

* Saddled is assuming the outcome is negative to them and I accept the outcome may be favourable.

My daughter was born August 1998 in Denmark for a year at uni - didn't get to vote by 2 months. Both her and a good few of her friends at Leeds uni in a similar position. None of them are happy John, nor are those slightly older who didn't get off their backsides because as they thought ' Remain ' was a certain winner- however they all voted last year hoping for a change in direction ! Now they are saddled with this as the Tories refuse to put the good of the country before their Party.