Arrogance

[Chris Black come back]

It was not losing. It was the manner of the loss. That was far worse than losing 0-3 to Fleetwood.

[Red wizard]

We move on and go again. Let's not forget we're a good side. A win on Saturday and all will be forgot

[rover-n-out]

I read it somewhere that McCann says we got too arrogant, started showboating with flick 'ons, tricks, laughing and waving to the crowd, (his words, not mine) and hanging on to the ball too long, we stopped doing the things that got us to 2-0.

Excuse me, but this is a genuine question that came to mind.
If he can see that's what was happening, why did he not get the message out there to cut it out, concentrate on doing what got us into that winning position, raise the tempo of our game, make it one touch football and keep the ball moving and close the game down that way?

Surely he can get a message out there from the back, why complain about it AFTER the game, when IMO he should have done something about it during the game.
Maybe I'm completely wide of the mark, I dunno.

[RedJ]

The only person waving to the crowd was Alfie May and he only did that while warming up and responding to us... surely to f**k he's not moaning about that?

And how many times have we seen showboating while we've been in the lead in the past? Christ. Kane showboats for fun most weeks at times.

[karldew]

Have we as fans become a little arrogant though? Don’t know about anyone else but when it was 0-2 I fully expected us to get a third?

[drfchound]

I read it somewhere that McCann says we got too arrogant, started showboating with flick 'ons, tricks, laughing and waving to the crowd, (his words, not mine) and hanging on to the ball too long, we stopped doing the things that got us to 2-0.

Excuse me, but this is a genuine question that came to mind.
If he can see that's what was happening, why did he not get the message out there to cut it out, concentrate on doing what got us into that winning position, raise the tempo of our game, make it one touch football and keep the ball moving and close the game down that way?

Surely he can get a message out there from the back, why complain about it AFTER the game, when IMO he should have done something about it during the game.
Maybe I'm completely wide of the mark, I dunno.

To be fair, your point is a good one.
If McCann could see a problem AT THE TIME rather than with hindsight, he should have got a message on to the pitch.

[Donnywolf]

I was going to post that statement of his as well to ask if anyone else had noticed any of the things he had mentioned

Personally I try to watch the action as much as possible and just because I had not seen any of what he had mentioned did not mean they had not happened - I could just have missed them.

Step overs however abound in the game Wilks and Herbie do and did quite a few but surely we cant hammer them for that because its part of their dna as players . Its what they do and Hebie was at it by the Right Corner Flag in front of me. Nowt wrong with that surely as we had a whole thread dedicated to what he did at Charlton

I saw nobody waving to Fans apart from the usual sheepish applauds from Subs warming up - and / or people as they were subbed off

So in conclusion GM is doing a great job - as a fan I can only depend and rely on him to keep that going - but for once I was disappointed with his comments on the above because as has been pointed out if he sees these things happening then the time to mention them is there and then

If there was a Player persistently not "getting back" or not giving "100%" during a Game he would I am sure be made aware and similarly any of the "arrogant/showboating" things that have been mentioned should be stamped out there and then

Apart from that keep it up - as in the style of play and the entertainment - and apart from 13 minutes of Saturday - the Results

[since-1969]

GM was clearly angery and embarrassed about the result, fathoming how it happened straight after the game and  having to voice his opinion I abviously felt what he said in the best way could with loosing his cool. As a supporter I felt cheated as we should have scored more by the amount chances we didn’t take .Arrogance is a good word because it infers that we were too good for them and just over egged the performance and allowed mistakes to creep in .

[NickDRFC]

Arrogance doesn't infer that we were too good for them, it infers that we thought we were too good for them - with the result suggesting otherwise.

[Donnywolf]

Yes - agree - we were too good for Chorley and Rochdale as well but put them away but despite being better than WWFC we failed to do the same to them and paid a horrendous price !

[RedJ]

Have we as fans become a little arrogant though? Don’t know about anyone else but when it was 0-2 I fully expected us to get a third?

I highly doubt the arrogance of the fans would affect the result.

[drfchound]

On the showboating subject, I am sure that all of us have enjoyed seeing players like Wilks and in particular, Kane doing a bit of that.
Herbie does tend to do it late in games that we are winning and always, the crowd cheer when he does something outrageous.
I for one hope he keeps doing it.
We wont always concede three late goals in games, that was just one of those things that happens in football.
The best team doesn't always win.
As alluded to by Wolfie though, it is a bit disappointing to hear McCann complaining after the game about something that he said he saw going on, on the pitch when he had the opportunity to stop it when it was happening.

[Donnywolf]

Hi Hound

There were chances missed for sure - but 2-0 up they could have brought Messi on and we should have had enough to see them off

At 3-1 we had a great chance which does NOT appear on any highlights I have seen. Believe a great run down the right by JM and a great cross to May (I was told - as I was calling it as Rowe) to make it 3-1 with 8 or so mins to go.

There was no arragance after that - and as I said I did not see that much / if any that fitted the phrases used save for the step overs

Maybe GM was caught a bit cold as everything happened at once. 2-0 up and cruising - 2-1 on - 79 missed said chance on lets say 80. Defending deeper and deeper equaliser 90. Added time board goes up +6 and then a winner with 2 mins left? He would not have seen much like that as a Manager and then Mike stuck under chin for post Match comments after preumably going barking mad in Changing Rooms

Still got his back - doing a great job for me - and whether he just reacted with this statement OR saw things happening and tried to take action he and the Players will learn.

They say its what makes you improve dont they ?

[since-1969]

Arrogance doesn't infer that we were too good for them, it infers that we thought we were too good for them - with the result suggesting otherwise.

You correct but I did say had we taken our chances and there was plenty of them.

[Drover]

It's a fine line between Confidence and Arrogance,Grant has made many comments about wanting the players to have self confidence.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

At 2-0 you have to be disciplined and not give cheap free kicks away, which I understand Wilks was guilty of for the equaliser. You can show your skill with the ball if you want but you've got to maintain discipline without it (unless you have to take one for the team in dangerous situations).

[Alickismyhero]

I saw Wilks in the second half fouled,it looked as though he was injured and Trevor quite rightly gave a free kick.

Wilks then immediately got up walked away waving to the home fans in the Frank Adam stand.

Wilks has a stupid side to his character and should follow Copps approach in how to play football but will he? I doubt it.

As the manager said.............arrogance lost us the game.

[RedJ]

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-explains-arrogance-comment-after-wycombe-defeat-1-9543461

Here we go.

[Bristol Red Rover]

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-explains-arrogance-comment-after-wycombe-defeat-1-9543461

Here we go.

Clearly referring to Wilks there. If he could focus on his game more than his ego he'd be a far better player. He has great potential to succeed AND fail.

[since-1969]

McCann said he feels we got arrogant after going 2-0 up. Not good, and not something I've ever seen in a Rovers team before.

This capitulation better bring them back to reality if that is the case.

We never have been able to see a game out , they deserved their win as they stuck the task of getting amongs us and keep by keeping the pressure on where it hurts inside the box . You can’t legislate for ineptitude and stupidly but I think we could write a book on it .

I’ll say it again ... NEVER !!